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Illegal downloaders 'spend the most on music', says poll

Crackdown on music piracy could further harm ailing industry

By Rachel Shields

Sunday, 1 November 2009


People who illegally download music from the internet also spend more money on music than anyone else, according to a new study. The survey, published today, found that those who admit illegally downloading music spent an average of £77 a year on music – £33 more than those who claim that they never download music dishonestly.

The findings suggest that plans by the Secretary of State for Business, Peter Mandelson, to crack down on illegal downloaders by threatening to cut their internet connections with a "three strikes and you're out" rule could harm the music industry by punishing its core customers.

An estimated seven million UK users download files illegally every year. The record industry's trade association, the British Phonographic Industry (BPI), believes this copyright infringement will cost the industry £200m this year.

The poll, which surveyed 1,000 16- to 50-year-olds with internet access, found that one in 10 people admit to downloading music illegally.

"The latest approach from the Government will not help prop up an ailing music industry. Politicians and music companies need to recognise that the nature of music consumption has changed, and consumers are demanding lower prices and easier access," said Peter Bradwell, from the think-tank Demos, which commissioned the new poll conducted by Ipsos Mori.

However, music industry figures insist the figures offer a skewed picture. The poll suggested the Government's plan to disconnect illegal downloaders if they ignore official warning letters could deter people from internet piracy, with 61 per cent of illegal downloaders surveyed admitting they would be put off downloading music illegally by the threat of having their internet service cut off for a month.

"The people who file-share are the ones who are interested in music," said Mark Mulligan of Forrester Research. "They use file-sharing as a discovery mechanism. We have a generation of young people who don't have any concept of music as a paid-for commodity," he continued. "You need to have it at a price point you won't notice."

The Digital Economy Bill, which will become law next April, sets out new measures to crack down on internet piracy. But these have generated criticism from internet service providers, who say they will be difficult to enforce.

Artists are also divided over the issue, with Lily Allen and James Blunt recently supporting the Government's stance, while the Latin pop star Shakira argues that illegal file sharing brings her closer to her fans.

This year Virgin Media and Universal Music plan to launch the first music subscription service allowing customers to download and keep unlimited tracks from Universal's catalogue for a fee of around £15.
Not to mention the massive amount of money illegal downloaders spend on concert tickets.  No matter how much the music industry tries to deny it, the business model of CD sales is dead, and no amount of litigation can bring it back.  The music industry can either find a new way to make money off music or die off like any other company who fails to adapt to a changing market.
Harmor
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Music downloaders are Audiophiles.  This make sense.

I wonder if this is the same for movies?
Spark
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Harmor wrote:

Music downloaders are Audiophiles.  This make sense.

I wonder if this is the same for movies?
I doubt it is to the same extent because movies watched at a cinema have a unique feel and also bring them unique social aspects w/e. There's nothing unique about music on a CD as opposed to on computer.
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Wreckognize
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Harmor wrote:

Music downloaders are Audiophiles.  This make sense.

I wonder if this is the same for movies?
I download movies and music and I definitely buy DVDs a lot more than I buy music.
Kmar
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Leo Laporte has cited tons of these studies showing how the RIAA approach backfires, making criminals out would be consumers.
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Flecco
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CD distribution isn't dead. It's just not the major thing anymore.


I still buy CD's, just not as often as somebody who got into music before digital distribution became the norm.






Also, inb4parkerrant
Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.
Cybargs
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I'd rent DVD's if I got a couple of mates coming over for a party or whatev. But as Spark says, music doesn't have that unique feeling unless its a live concert.
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Hakei
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I rent a lot of movies.

Download a lot too, but spend a good $10 a week renting.
mikkel
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While it's apparent to everyone that the record industry has been lying, cheating and stealing grossly and repeatedly, and in the most disgusting manner in this back-and-forth between them and copyright violators, I still wish people would cease to argue that violating copyright is an acceptable thing to do, and simply start voting with their wallets and their words. A bitterly spent dollar is just as good as any other dollar to this repulsive industry.
Kmar
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$15 a month
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Of course they spend the most on music when they pay $30,000 per song.
(sorry, I had to)
Lai
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Cybargs wrote:

I'd rent DVD's if I got a couple of mates coming over for a party or whatev. But as Spark says, music doesn't have that unique feeling unless its a live concert.
Because all you young people have their ears destroyed by loud music XD

Seriously though, you CAN easily hear the difference between a CD on even a halfway decent audioset and a 320kb/s MP3 file. You may not notice the difference when you put on "imma let you finish, but CD had the best sound quality eva", but if you put on e.g. some acoustic, acoustically supported or classical music, you will. Nothing will beat a live performance of course, but you simply can not put a full orchestra or band in your livingroom 24/7.

mikkel wrote:

While it's apparent to everyone that the record industry has been lying, cheating and stealing grossly and repeatedly, and in the most disgusting manner in this back-and-forth between them and copyright violators, I still wish people would cease to argue that violating copyright is an acceptable thing to do, and simply start voting with their wallets and their words. A bitterly spent dollar is just as good as any other dollar to this repulsive industry.
I download, then when I really like it, the quality or "unsolidness" will start to bother me and I buy the CD. No download = no real like = no buy CD.
Zimmer
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Lai, you cannot notice the difference between 320KBPS and a CD if both are on a decent audio system. Even on a poor one, you can't. It's a known fact. The human ear cannot perceive the difference.
Now, from 128KBPS to a CD, most certainly, but 320KBPS is basically perfect for anybody who's listening.

The music industry is just a pile of shit. It's controlled by wankish record companies who steal money from artists. I'll go to concerts and buy CDs of the artists I really like, but fuck the record companies, they are the only ones complaining (Coldplay and stuff were interviewed about piracy and all said it would be a bad idea to attempt to stop it).

Movies is another matter altogether, as they are losing money, but it's just too easy to download a movie when it's been leaked onto the internet than shell out on a cinema visit, and then find out it's utter shit.
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Flecco wrote:

Also, inb4parkerrant
Jesus Christ, it's fucking stealing you little shits. How would you like it if you worked so hard to make something only to find that when you try to sell it, everyone just takes it without paying. You guys are stealing thieves.



Anyone wanna buy a knife?

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Zimmer
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Doctor Strangelove wrote:

Flecco wrote:

Also, inb4parkerrant
Jesus Christ, it's fucking stealing you little shits. How would you like it if you worked so hard to make something only to find that when you try to sell it, everyone just takes it without paying. You guys are stealing thrives.



Anyone wanna buy a knife?
lol. Just lol.

And record companies aren't stealing from artists?

Get your facts right. The only profit artists really make is from Concerts and Tours, not from CDs. They get 79p from a CD sold at £8.99. You're telling me that's not stealing?

I couldn't give a fucking shit about record companies. I hope they burn in hell, because they are the ones fucking over artists. Not us.

I will gladly go to concerts and tours to see my favourite artists perform, as will most other "pirates". I will not, however, pay for a CD knowing that none of that money actually makes it to the artist. Yeah, sure, sometimes I will because I really like them and any sort of contribution I feel is necessary, but other than that, fuck 'em all.

Stop acting like some sort of higher being towards all of this.
Winston_Churchill
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Zimmer wrote:

Lai, you cannot notice the difference between 320KBPS and a CD if both are on a decent audio system. Even on a poor one, you can't. It's a known fact. The human ear cannot perceive the difference.
Now, from 128KBPS to a CD, most certainly, but 320KBPS is basically perfect for anybody who's listening.

The music industry is just a pile of shit. It's controlled by wankish record companies who steal money from artists. I'll go to concerts and buy CDs of the artists I really like, but fuck the record companies, they are the only ones complaining (Coldplay and stuff were interviewed about piracy and all said it would be a bad idea to attempt to stop it).

Movies is another matter altogether, as they are losing money, but it's just too easy to download a movie when it's been leaked onto the internet than shell out on a cinema visit, and then find out it's utter shit.
Yeah, you really cant hear the difference between CD and 320 CBR, or even V0.  And if you really wanted to up your elite audiophilic status you could just download everything you want in FLAC.  I've bought 1 CD ever and don't feel bad about it at all.  The music industry needs a total overhaul.

Movies are a different thing.  It actually costs them tons of money to make so any movie I think is good I will see in theatres.  They get their fair share of money from me so I dont feel bad about downloading them.
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Lai wrote:

mikkel wrote:

While it's apparent to everyone that the record industry has been lying, cheating and stealing grossly and repeatedly, and in the most disgusting manner in this back-and-forth between them and copyright violators, I still wish people would cease to argue that violating copyright is an acceptable thing to do, and simply start voting with their wallets and their words. A bitterly spent dollar is just as good as any other dollar to this repulsive industry.
I download, then when I really like it, the quality or "unsolidness" will start to bother me and I buy the CD. No download = no real like = no buy CD.
I've heard all of the justifications before.
Cybargs
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Lai wrote:

Cybargs wrote:

I'd rent DVD's if I got a couple of mates coming over for a party or whatev. But as Spark says, music doesn't have that unique feeling unless its a live concert.
Because all you young people have their ears destroyed by loud music XD

Seriously though, you CAN easily hear the difference between a CD on even a halfway decent audioset and a 320kb/s MP3 file. You may not notice the difference when you put on "imma let you finish, but CD had the best sound quality eva", but if you put on e.g. some acoustic, acoustically supported or classical music, you will. Nothing will beat a live performance of course, but you simply can not put a full orchestra or band in your livingroom 24/7.
But would I really care that much for the quality? No. Going to or watching movies with friends is a social thing, people generally don't sit down and listen to music and say "yeh tahts a good soing brooooooooooo." They just play guitar hero and what not. And as Zimmer says, your ears can't really tell the difference.
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Doctor Strangelove wrote:

Flecco wrote:

Also, inb4parkerrant
Jesus Christ, it's fucking stealing you little shits. How would you like it if you worked so hard to make something only to find that when you try to sell it, everyone just takes it without paying. You guys are stealing thieves.



Anyone wanna buy a knife?
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mcminty
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Harmor wrote:

Music downloaders are Audiophiles.  This make sense.
I'd prefer to buy the CD's, and rip them losslessly. I use torrenting to "try" the music before I buy the CDs. If I don't like the music and I'm not going to listen to it or buy the CD, then the artist has made absolutely no loss from my downloading. If I do like it, I shall try to get the CD... eventually...

But then again, that's a rather pointless endeavor considering that bad mastering has become standard for today's music. Say what? If you didn't know, here is the Loudness War.




But considering all the CD's I'm yet to buy and that duh I like the band, I'll try to go see them whenever they come here (which tbh is like fucking never )
Vilham
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Zimmer wrote:

Doctor Strangelove wrote:

Flecco wrote:

Also, inb4parkerrant
Jesus Christ, it's fucking stealing you little shits. How would you like it if you worked so hard to make something only to find that when you try to sell it, everyone just takes it without paying. You guys are stealing thrives.



Anyone wanna buy a knife?
stuff
You totally missed that one didn't you...
Red Forman
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you shouldnt steal tbh.  not nice.
Hurricane2k9
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mcminty wrote:

Harmor wrote:

Music downloaders are Audiophiles.  This make sense.
I'd prefer to buy the CD's, and rip them losslessly. I use torrenting to "try" the music before I buy the CDs. If I don't like the music and I'm not going to listen to it or buy the CD, then the artist has made absolutely no loss from my downloading. If I do like it, I shall try to get the CD... eventually...

But then again, that's a rather pointless endeavor considering that bad mastering has become standard for today's music. Say what? If you didn't know, here is the Loudness War.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Gmex_4hreQ


But considering all the CD's I'm yet to buy and that duh I like the band, I'll try to go see them whenever they come here (which tbh is like fucking never )
Good example would be Metallica's Death Magnetic. Great album, but the CD version is definitely a part of the loudness war. Thankfully, they mastered the songs differently for Guitar Hero and they sound much better.

I haven't downloaded illegally in a few months. My school supposedly watches over it like a hawk.

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mcminty
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Hurricane2k9 wrote:

Good example would be Metallica's Death Magnetic. Great album, but the CD version is definitely a part of the loudness war. Thankfully, they mastered the songs differently for Guitar Hero and they sound much better.

I haven't downloaded illegally in a few months. My school supposedly watches over it like a hawk.
Haha yup. I read about that. GG to the folks at guitar hero. Apparently with the CD, the sound engineer didn't like it like that, but guys in Metallica insisted it was done that way. Tbh, after 30 years of standing in front of those speaker stacks, I doubt they can tell the difference nowdays..
Zimmer
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Vilham wrote:

Zimmer wrote:

Doctor Strangelove wrote:


Jesus Christ, it's fucking stealing you little shits. How would you like it if you worked so hard to make something only to find that when you try to sell it, everyone just takes it without paying. You guys are stealing thrives.



Anyone wanna buy a knife?
stuff
You totally missed that one didn't you...
Probably.

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