Shit's expensive yo. Might as well save some money by picking it up and using it again
i heard dropping it deep in the sea in lead lined cases works out nicely
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Always raining and foggy
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Always raining and foggy
Use an umbrella
Yeah...that doesn't pass the giggle test.AussieReaper wrote:
Because, hell, sorting through ground zero of a nuclear blast to find a microchip only to realise it doesn't work any more is a real nuisance.mtb0minime wrote:
And then there's radiation-proof guidance chips to worry about...
But that can be handled.
Spoiler (highlight to read):
Dad is an EE for Boeing and, last I checked, is working on guidance chips for nuclear missiles that could withstand the radiation and blast so that they could be recovered and used again
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rapedFEOS wrote:
Yeah...that doesn't pass the giggle test.AussieReaper wrote:
Because, hell, sorting through ground zero of a nuclear blast to find a microchip only to realise it doesn't work any more is a real nuisance.mtb0minime wrote:
And then there's radiation-proof guidance chips to worry about...
But that can be handled.
Spoiler (highlight to read):
Dad is an EE for Boeing and, last I checked, is working on guidance chips for nuclear missiles that could withstand the radiation and blast so that they could be recovered and used again
Small hourglass island
Always raining and foggy
Use an umbrella
Always raining and foggy
Use an umbrella
While nuclear energy is a exhaustible energy source, it is much cleaner than oil/coal. We in Iceland are lucky to have access to such a large amount of geothermal power and hydroelectricity.
Which leads me to think, nobody has mentioned hydroelectricity. Just put dams everywhere you can, it's a clean, renewable and inexhaustible energy source.
Which leads me to think, nobody has mentioned hydroelectricity. Just put dams everywhere you can, it's a clean, renewable and inexhaustible energy source.
Hydro is a bit half and half.
Pro's
Good clean energy
Lots of it
Most countries could utilise it
Con's
Can be very weather dependant
Massive ecological damage in construction
Needs pretty intensive regular maintainence.
Pro's
Good clean energy
Lots of it
Most countries could utilise it
Con's
Can be very weather dependant
Massive ecological damage in construction
Needs pretty intensive regular maintainence.
Small hourglass island
Always raining and foggy
Use an umbrella
Always raining and foggy
Use an umbrella
There is another issue involved there: what to do with the reservoirs created. If you read a bit about the history of the Hoover Dam and the overall Colorado River management project it was a part of, it was a non-trivial issue that still causes problems with regard to water management.Sydney wrote:
While nuclear energy is a exhaustible energy source, it is much cleaner than oil/coal. We in Iceland are lucky to have access to such a large amount of geothermal power and hydroelectricity.
Which leads me to think, nobody has mentioned hydroelectricity. Just put dams everywhere you can, it's a clean, renewable and inexhaustible energy source.
Additionally, balancing that water management and power demands becomes problematic when you take the efficiencies of the generators into account (they are highly inefficient). Thus, using hydroelectric power on a large scale (at least the scale needed here) becomes a non-trivial problem not necessarily worth the benefit received.
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― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
Ay what? Nuclear is probably going to be one of our biggest options moving fowards... fusion is decades away.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
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I guess it just works so damn well here because we're such a small nation. The population of the US is 1000 times larger than in Iceland, so that would be over 10000 big dams assuming the same person-to-dam ratio. Now that sounds rather unrealistic.FEOS wrote:
There is another issue involved there: what to do with the reservoirs created. If you read a bit about the history of the Hoover Dam and the overall Colorado River management project it was a part of, it was a non-trivial issue that still causes problems with regard to water management.Sydney wrote:
While nuclear energy is a exhaustible energy source, it is much cleaner than oil/coal. We in Iceland are lucky to have access to such a large amount of geothermal power and hydroelectricity.
Which leads me to think, nobody has mentioned hydroelectricity. Just put dams everywhere you can, it's a clean, renewable and inexhaustible energy source.
Additionally, balancing that water management and power demands becomes problematic when you take the efficiencies of the generators into account (they are highly inefficient). Thus, using hydroelectric power on a large scale (at least the scale needed here) becomes a non-trivial problem not necessarily worth the benefit received.
We could continue the tradition of using Russian nuclear submarines to store nuclear materials in the deep oceanFatherTed wrote:
i heard dropping it deep in the sea in lead lined cases works out nicely
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-Frederick Bastiat
Didn't we have a missing bomb off the coast of GA?JohnG@lt wrote:
We could continue the tradition of using Russian nuclear submarines to store nuclear materials in the deep oceanFatherTed wrote:
i heard dropping it deep in the sea in lead lined cases works out nicely
edit, yea: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1958_Tybee … B-47_crash
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I'm going to go against my patriotic urges and say that nuclear power should not be abolished - like any power generation method, it has it's place.
We need much much more research on batteries/storage systems, and localised/decentralised power generation systems. Give us that and efficient electric cars, and haji will have to eat a huge shit sandwich with all the trimmings. Or join the 21st century.
We need much much more research on batteries/storage systems, and localised/decentralised power generation systems. Give us that and efficient electric cars, and haji will have to eat a huge shit sandwich with all the trimmings. Or join the 21st century.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8297934.stmPubic wrote:
I'm going to go against my patriotic urges and say that nuclear power should not be abolished - like any power generation method, it has it's place.
We need much much more research on batteries/storage systems, and localised/decentralised power generation systems. Give us that and efficient electric cars, and haji will have to eat a huge shit sandwich with all the trimmings. Or join the 21st century.
http://www.themaneater.com/stories/2009 … r-battery/
Nuclear batteries FTW.
As to the OP, the nuclear industry of modern day is still facing the ghosts of its past, but the technology is honestly to a point where waste can be extremely minimized compared to even 2 decades ago. The problem is, each of these new, super-efficient, low-waste plants costs billions of dollars, so its hard to find enough public or political or even business sentiment to get the sort of funding needed for such an expensive undertaking.
Also, depending on the half-life of the waste material, burying it deep in a mountain or sending it to the bottom of the Marianas Trench might be decent options in terms of minimizing ecological damage, as modern waste containers should last long enough for the material to significantly decay to a point where its no longer dangerously radioactive.
The Russian's do that.FatherTed wrote:
i heard dropping it deep in the sea in lead lined cases works out nicely
Nuclear is one of the better options to replace fossil fuels, and its at least reliable with a good power output.
Sorry boys, but nuclear is the future, fast breeder reactors can process their own waste back into useable fuel, and can run on thorium, which is far more abundant than uranium.
Look up the facts, nuclear plants release less radiation that their coal fired counterparts, and have a much better safety record
Look up the facts, nuclear plants release less radiation that their coal fired counterparts, and have a much better safety record
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Dams destroy ecosystems and turn mighty rivers in to streams of an old man's weak piss.Sydney wrote:
I guess it just works so damn well here because we're such a small nation. The population of the US is 1000 times larger than in Iceland, so that would be over 10000 big dams assuming the same person-to-dam ratio. Now that sounds rather unrealistic.FEOS wrote:
There is another issue involved there: what to do with the reservoirs created. If you read a bit about the history of the Hoover Dam and the overall Colorado River management project it was a part of, it was a non-trivial issue that still causes problems with regard to water management.Sydney wrote:
While nuclear energy is a exhaustible energy source, it is much cleaner than oil/coal. We in Iceland are lucky to have access to such a large amount of geothermal power and hydroelectricity.
Which leads me to think, nobody has mentioned hydroelectricity. Just put dams everywhere you can, it's a clean, renewable and inexhaustible energy source.
Additionally, balancing that water management and power demands becomes problematic when you take the efficiencies of the generators into account (they are highly inefficient). Thus, using hydroelectric power on a large scale (at least the scale needed here) becomes a non-trivial problem not necessarily worth the benefit received.
I'd like more nuclear power. The other stuff is great, if and when it reaches the same efficiency/viability.
One of the biggest uranium deposits in N.A. is in norther saskatchewan, what is wrong with mining it? ATG is all over the place, he acts like a conservative hippy
I thought it blew up because they put coal miners in to run the night shift. I don't know anything about it though!Hurricane2k9 wrote:
yeah France is a completely irradiated wasteland, even more so than Chernobyl
their children all have major mutations
Nuclear is evil!!
edit: Chernobyl wasn't necessarily "too big", it was just poorly designed
would you like to have a repository next to your home?FatherTed wrote:
well its either that or keep using shitty coal/gas/oil plants.
nuclear works. people are scared of it because they think of nukes and chernobyl, but fact is it fucking works. look at france.
All the other nice clean sustainble tech is good shit, but very situational. not everywhere can have geotherm, not everywhere can have wind or solar. cold fusion is a pipe dream atm, and we need an in-between.
however, we need atomic energy as a interim solution until green energy is able to satisfy our power requirement
I have 4 reactors within 10 miles of me, if i were to climb the small hill next to my uni i could see them. It doesn't bother me at all, in fact i like them being there.cl4u53w1t2 wrote:
would you like to have a repository next to your home?FatherTed wrote:
well its either that or keep using shitty coal/gas/oil plants.
nuclear works. people are scared of it because they think of nukes and chernobyl, but fact is it fucking works. look at france.
All the other nice clean sustainble tech is good shit, but very situational. not everywhere can have geotherm, not everywhere can have wind or solar. cold fusion is a pipe dream atm, and we need an in-between.
however, we need atomic energy as a interim solution until green energy is able to satisfy our power requirement
I bet the police response in your area is fantasticNoobeater wrote:
I have 4 reactors within 10 miles of me, if i were to climb the small hill next to my uni i could see them. It doesn't bother me at all, in fact i like them being there.cl4u53w1t2 wrote:
would you like to have a repository next to your home?FatherTed wrote:
well its either that or keep using shitty coal/gas/oil plants.
nuclear works. people are scared of it because they think of nukes and chernobyl, but fact is it fucking works. look at france.
All the other nice clean sustainble tech is good shit, but very situational. not everywhere can have geotherm, not everywhere can have wind or solar. cold fusion is a pipe dream atm, and we need an in-between.
however, we need atomic energy as a interim solution until green energy is able to satisfy our power requirement
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
Well there are two universities in the city too, so far as i am aware the police here just seem to spend their days telling drunk students to put back the traffic cones and other such minor things. Though i do come from a complete shit hole so i guess it could just be me.JohnG@lt wrote:
I bet the police response in your area is fantasticNoobeater wrote:
I have 4 reactors within 10 miles of me, if i were to climb the small hill next to my uni i could see them. It doesn't bother me at all, in fact i like them being there.cl4u53w1t2 wrote:
would you like to have a repository next to your home?
however, we need atomic energy as a interim solution until green energy is able to satisfy our power requirement
If we do decide to use nuclear energy, and we are going to mine the uranium here, we are going to have to set very strict guidelines. Utah already has a site that sits right on the Green River that has been listed as a superfund cleanup site because of the tailings from uranium mining. This river is a major source of water for Wyoming, Utah, and Colorado.