ATG
Banned
+5,233|6814|Global Command
I think it needs to be abolished.

Pollution from mining and processing the fuel, failure in safe storage of the mass amounts of waste product and where the ore is located all lead me to this decision.

Wind, solar, wave power, geo-thermal and new stuff like hydrogen and cold fusion need to be the answer.

Most uranium deposits in America.     are located on tribal lands, so they will be forcibly moved again sooner or later. It is also the most heavily subsidized industry in our country.
FatherTed
xD
+3,936|6784|so randum
well its either that or keep using shitty coal/gas/oil plants.

nuclear works. people are scared of it because they think of nukes and chernobyl, but fact is it fucking works. look at france.

All the other nice clean sustainble tech is good shit, but very situational. not everywhere can have geotherm, not everywhere can have wind or solar. cold fusion is a pipe dream atm, and we need an in-between.
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Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5642|London, England

ATG wrote:

I think it needs to be abolished.

Pollution from mining and processing the fuel, failure in safe storage of the mass amounts of waste product and where the ore is located all lead me to this decision.

Wind, solar, wave power, geo-thermal and new stuff like hydrogen and cold fusion need to be the answer.

Most uranium deposits in America.     are located on tribal lands, so they will be forcibly moved again sooner or later. It is also the most heavily subsidized industry in our country.
I know you live in California where you have nice easy access to all the things you described but up here in the Northeast it doesn't fly. We don't have geothermal, it snows in the winter so solar sucks, wind would be viable but it can't be used on a big enough scale here to replace our fossil fuel usage. As for the pipe dreams of cold fusion (lol) and hydrogen... Let's talk about them when they're a reality. It's called not counting your chickens before their hatched. Nuclear is a reality and viable. Who gives a fuck about the tribes? Toss them money for booze.
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mtb0minime
minimember
+2,418|6939

No, do not abolish nuclear power. There are plenty of good waste disposal sites, it's just that hippies freak the fuck out when you wanna bury it in a remote mountain that no one has ever been to.

Still, I'll agree that those other forms of renewable energy need to become more prevalent, especially wind. Stupid hippie fags and their, "But the windmills destroy the beauty of the landscape!" bullshit. You want less air pollution or you want an empty hillside to remain empty? Can't have your cake and eat it too.

Engineers need to be put in charge of the world. And all hippies must be put into concentration camps and/or executed. Earth would be a much better place.
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+977|6764
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Cybargs
Moderated
+2,285|7001

ATG wrote:

I think it needs to be abolished.

Pollution from mining and processing the fuel, failure in safe storage of the mass amounts of waste product and where the ore is located all lead me to this decision.

Wind, solar, wave power, geo-thermal and new stuff like hydrogen and cold fusion need to be the answer.

Most uranium deposits in America.     are located on tribal lands, so they will be forcibly moved again sooner or later. It is also the most heavily subsidized industry in our country.
ATG wtf... I don't know how to say this but, seriously wtf have you been smoking lately.
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FatherTed
xD
+3,936|6784|so randum

Cybargs wrote:

ATG wrote:

I think it needs to be abolished.

Pollution from mining and processing the fuel, failure in safe storage of the mass amounts of waste product and where the ore is located all lead me to this decision.

Wind, solar, wave power, geo-thermal and new stuff like hydrogen and cold fusion need to be the answer.

Most uranium deposits in America.     are located on tribal lands, so they will be forcibly moved again sooner or later. It is also the most heavily subsidized industry in our country.
ATG wtf... I don't know how to say this but, seriously wtf have you been smoking lately.
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mtb0minime
minimember
+2,418|6939

And adding onto what Ted said, also look at Japan. These other countries are miles ahead, while everyone else is getting held back by trying to please everyone and be politically correct.

Furthermore, small scale nuclear plants are amazing. Very little waste while being able to run a few towns completely independently. Nuclear is the future. Just don't go overboard with it and build a gigantic plant that has a higher risk of failing, and much higher consequences if it did fail. Chernobyl was too big for its own good. There are still tons of small plants out there that are working wonders.
Hurricane2k9
Pendulous Sweaty Balls
+1,538|5986|College Park, MD
yeah France is a completely irradiated wasteland, even more so than Chernobyl

their children all have major mutations

Nuclear is evil!!

edit: Chernobyl wasn't necessarily "too big", it was just poorly designed

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Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5642|London, England

Cybargs wrote:

ATG wrote:

I think it needs to be abolished.

Pollution from mining and processing the fuel, failure in safe storage of the mass amounts of waste product and where the ore is located all lead me to this decision.

Wind, solar, wave power, geo-thermal and new stuff like hydrogen and cold fusion need to be the answer.

Most uranium deposits in America.     are located on tribal lands, so they will be forcibly moved again sooner or later. It is also the most heavily subsidized industry in our country.
ATG wtf... I don't know how to say this but, seriously wtf have you been smoking lately.
We had this discussion before and he pulled out some bs about all the uranium being on Hopi lands and how it's wrong to mine it etc. Seriously, they got conquered, they lost, move on. Stop clinging to your past. I don't go around telling people that my family came from Brandenburg and Pommerania. No, they came from Germany. Zero respect for the people that cling to their 'tribes' and choose to live on government subsidized reservations instead of joining the real world. It's not like they themselves were persecuted during their lifetime.
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-Frederick Bastiat
Doctor Strangelove
Real Battlefield Veterinarian.
+1,758|6753
Nuclear is currently the only scalable clean energy source. While it is true, Nuclear fuel is not infinite, it will last us longer than fossil fuels, and is much less polluting. There are other, perhaps better forms of energy, but nuclear is one of the best we have available. Nuclear power is the most heavily regulated industry in the United States and as such the worst incident of a nuclear plant's failure, Three-Mile-Island, resulted in no direct deaths and all suspected illnesses were related to TMI by quite a stretch.

While storage is an issue, I believe nuclear should be a transitional energy source, that we can use until renewable sources are more scalable. Not the best source possible, but the best we can do at the moment.
AussieReaper
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
+5,761|6437|what

Nuclear is becoming cleaner, safer, more refined.

You're dreaming ATG if you think it is not a viable option.
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Diesel_dyk
Object in mirror will feel larger than it appears
+178|6279|Truthistan
nuclear is the only option, and the US has the technology, and the natural resources, and its feasible. Alternative energy is a good supplement when its available. IMO it would be great if every house should be outfitted with some solar and some wind generators.

IMO they should ban the burning of coal, did you know that burning coal spreads more radiation that nuclear plants because you are burning rock where naturally occuring radioactive material is present. One prfoessor a long time ago in a Hazmat class talked about how there were radiation detectors located around a particular nuclear plant to catch leaks from the nuclear plant BUT the detectors kept picking up the presence of radiation because of polution from a near by coal fired generator.

Hate coal, love nuclear. Like I've posted before, for the money that was handed out the wall street financial crooks, we could have built 100 nuclear plants, imagine the benefit of that weighed against those pitiful "Goldman" sachs jobs and their "Goddam" ridiculous bonuses.
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6885|132 and Bush

AussieReaper wrote:

Nuclear is becoming cleaner, safer, more refined.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
Catbox
forgiveness
+505|7001
California is going back to tents and campfires... So nukes aren't an issue...
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FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6695|'Murka

If nothing else, nuclear is the best bridging option until we develop truly sustainable fuel alternatives.

All the hyperbole about nuclear wastelands is just that--hyperbole. There is far more credible evidence for reliable, safe, clean nuclear power than for the Chernobyl or Three-Mile Island hysteria stories.
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Noobeater
Northern numpty
+194|6731|Boulder, CO

Kmarion wrote:

AussieReaper wrote:

Nuclear is becoming cleaner, safer, more refined.
So far as I am aware it has become a much safer industry, it seems to share the same problems as any other (relatively) new and unresearched technology in that it takes decades of research to get it to a high level of safety and efficiency. I believe nuclear to be a very good short to medium term solution to the energy problem so long as the plants are fairly small and highly regulated. There are in fact two nuclear plants near me, one was badly controlled (Sellafield) and one is well controlled and maintained (Heysham). One is known throughout Britain, the other is not known at all to anyone outside of the area it provides power for.
=NHB=Shadow
hi
+322|6650|California
where would you put the nuclear waste?
discussed this in math class today lol
AussieReaper
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+5,761|6437|what

=NHB=Shadow wrote:

where would you put the nuclear waste?
discussed this in math class today lol
q: where would you put the fossil fuel waste?

a: the ozone

olololol
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FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6695|'Murka

=NHB=Shadow wrote:

where would you put the nuclear waste?
discussed this in math class today lol
On the end of a rocket. Send it into the sun.

end of problem
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mtb0minime
minimember
+2,418|6939

Too risky. Rocket blows up in the air and oops! Radiation all over us.


Burying it deep inside mountains is the best idea, at least according to my environmental engineer professor last year.
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6695|'Murka

mtb0minime wrote:

Too risky. Rocket blows up in the air and oops! Radiation all over us.


Burying it deep inside mountains is the best idea, at least according to my environmental engineer professor last year.
We've got scientists to handle that stuff. Maybe we could put the environmentalists on the rocket and send them into the sun...
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― Albert Einstein

Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6885|132 and Bush

mtb0minime wrote:

Too risky. Rocket blows up in the air and oops! Radiation all over us.


Burying it deep inside mountains is the best idea, at least according to my environmental engineer professor last year.
Well. I imagine they would launch over the ocean.. probably east coast.. to use the earths gravity to escape our atmosphere.
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mtb0minime
minimember
+2,418|6939

And then there's radiation-proof guidance chips to worry about...

But that can be handled.
Spoiler (highlight to read):
Dad is an EE for Boeing and, last I checked, is working on guidance chips for nuclear missiles that could withstand the radiation and blast so that they could be recovered and used again
AussieReaper
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+5,761|6437|what

mtb0minime wrote:

And then there's radiation-proof guidance chips to worry about...

But that can be handled.
Spoiler (highlight to read):
Dad is an EE for Boeing and, last I checked, is working on guidance chips for nuclear missiles that could withstand the radiation and blast so that they could be recovered and used again
Because, hell, sorting through ground zero of a nuclear blast to find a microchip only to realise it doesn't work any more is a real nuisance.
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