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Nah I've already explained why I prefer Obama over Bush, but if you want to think that I 'love' Obama just because he isn't a Republican, whatever. I don't really get involved that much in the US political partisanship and all that D vs R bullshit so I don't care that much.

lowing wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

and to think all of that warmth from Europe, and US policy has changed not at all. Still in Iraq, Still in Afghanistan, still have Gitmo. Economy still shit and getting worse apparently. Oh well, as long as Europe finally has their lap dog that Bush refused to be.

Rome wasn't built in a day and our goodwill at grassroots level won't last forever, don't you worry about that - hence the helpful reminder from the man in the pub. I forgot how well Bush worked out for ye all, thanks for the reminder....

Not a single attack since 911 Cam, seems to have worked out pretty well so far.

Actually more Islamic terror attacks against Americans than any other period in history to date.

~ 20 attacks on US soil since 9/11 and more Americans killed by Islamic extremists than ever before.

Of course it's worked out well. That's even before you consider the financial impact.

should she be drinking on the job?

hello Mekstizzle??? you still there?

again, no mystery

yes, he's a politician, so by definition he's a 'douchebag'

but (pay attention to this one)

on the outside, he's a nice douchebag.

lowing wrote:

FatherTed wrote:

again, no mystery

yes, he's a politician, so by definition he's a 'douchebag'

but (pay attention to this one)

on the outside, he's a nice douchebag.

Well that is a new one. See, before it was, he is anyone other than Bush, then it turned into he is anyone other than a Republican, when that one didn't work, it became he is ""lit differently and now that one is shot to hell, so it it then turns to, it is simply because you think he is nice, and yet you have nothing to back that up either.

Why not just admit the truth, you love the guy because Europeans wanted a weaker America and he has given you one. You wanted an America that kissed your ass and you now have one. You want a socialist America and he has provided you with one.

Why would we want a weaker America exactly? America being one of the financial powerhouses of the world, and with so many American TNC's providing work over here?

Or was that just another baseless accusation?

I don't give a fuck if you have a socialist America or a Nazi themed one avec powdered Jews, it isn't my country to say how you run it. I'll admit that i am of the opinion that America should be more socialist - But that's where it stops, at an opinion

And tbh yeah a man who recognises Europe is a valuable ally is a bonus, so I'm not sure why you're comparing that to ass-kissing.


Keep 'em coming.

FatherTed wrote:

lowing wrote:

FatherTed wrote:

again, no mystery

yes, he's a politician, so by definition he's a 'douchebag'

but (pay attention to this one)

on the outside, he's a nice douchebag.

Well that is a new one. See, before it was, he is anyone other than Bush, then it turned into he is anyone other than a Republican, when that one didn't work, it became he is ""lit differently and now that one is shot to hell, so it it then turns to, it is simply because you think he is nice, and yet you have nothing to back that up either.

Why not just admit the truth, you love the guy because Europeans wanted a weaker America and he has given you one. You wanted an America that kissed your ass and you now have one. You want a socialist America and he has provided you with one.

Why would we want a weaker America exactly? America being one of the financial powerhouses of the world, and with so many American TNC's providing work over here?

Or was that just another baseless accusation?

I don't give a fuck if you have a socialist America or a Nazi themed one avec powdered Jews, it isn't my country to say how you run it. I'll admit that i am of the opinion that America should be more socialist - But that's where it stops, at an opinion

And tbh yeah a man who recognises Europe is a valuable ally is a bonus, so I'm not sure why you're comparing that to ass-kissing.


Keep 'em coming.

Why do you want a weaker America? I dunno you tell me.

"Majorities in every other country surveyed, aside from the U.S., favor another country challenging America's global military supremacy. Americans strongly reject this idea, by 63%-26%.

In Western Europe, large majorities favor a countervailing military force with more than 69% of the publics in France, Germany, Spain and the Netherlands taking that view. Even most British and Canadians favor a rival for U.S. dominance to emerge, although somewhat fewer people in those countries endorse this idea."

taken from: http://pewglobal.org/reports/display.php?PageID=804

Europe is not an ally if European self interests are to be favored over US self interests, and to sacrifice US self interests to gain European favor is ass kissing.  Sorry.

I will keep the facts coming, if you will keep bouncing between excuses for your love affair with Obama.

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Bertster7 wrote:

lowing wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

Actually more Islamic terror attacks against Americans than any other period in history to date.

~ 20 attacks on US soil since 9/11 and more Americans killed by Islamic extremists than ever before.

Of course it's worked out well. That's even before you consider the financial impact.

20 attacks on US soil? Do tell. Or is this another desperate attempt to lumping main land civilian casualties with those of front line soldiers engaged in fighting a war to show how Bush didn't actually take the fight to the enemy?

No, it's American civililians on American soil being killed by Islamic terrorists. Pretty simple that.

Look at the numbers of American civilians killed by Islamic terrorists throughout history and then for the past decade and guess what - loads more have been killed in this decade than any other (ignoring the WTC, which throws everything out of line).

would love to look at all 20 terror attacks in the US since 911 but you are not provding the links.

lowing wrote:

FatherTed wrote:

lowing wrote:

Well that is a new one. See, before it was, he is anyone other than Bush, then it turned into he is anyone other than a Republican, when that one didn't work, it became he is ""lit differently and now that one is shot to hell, so it it then turns to, it is simply because you think he is nice, and yet you have nothing to back that up either.

Why not just admit the truth, you love the guy because Europeans wanted a weaker America and he has given you one. You wanted an America that kissed your ass and you now have one. You want a socialist America and he has provided you with one.

Why would we want a weaker America exactly? America being one of the financial powerhouses of the world, and with so many American TNC's providing work over here?

Or was that just another baseless accusation?

I don't give a fuck if you have a socialist America or a Nazi themed one avec powdered Jews, it isn't my country to say how you run it. I'll admit that i am of the opinion that America should be more socialist - But that's where it stops, at an opinion

And tbh yeah a man who recognises Europe is a valuable ally is a bonus, so I'm not sure why you're comparing that to ass-kissing.


Keep 'em coming.

Why do you want a weaker America? I dunno you tell me.

"Majorities in every other country surveyed, aside from the U.S., favor another country challenging America's global military supremacy. Americans strongly reject this idea, by 63%-26%.

In Western Europe, large majorities favor a countervailing military force with more than 69% of the publics in France, Germany, Spain and the Netherlands taking that view. Even most British and Canadians favor a rival for U.S. dominance to emerge, although somewhat fewer people in those countries endorse this idea."

taken from: http://pewglobal.org/reports/display.php?PageID=804

Europe is not an ally if European self interests are to be favored over US self interests, and to sacrifice US self interests to gain European favor is ass kissing.  Sorry.

I will keep the facts coming, if you will keep bouncing between excuses for your love affair with Obama.

Would it be such a honest to god terrible thing if there was another military as capable as yours? Remember most of the influential countries in Europe historically have had enormous military clout - It's only natural to feel slighty... jealous? (jealous isn't really the word i'm looking for) on an apple-apple comparison of EU mil vs the USA. And perhaps there is a balence needed - Remember those graphs do not insinuate who we want as a Military rival (so in that respect, a bit of a limited graph to draw opinions from). Having the UK/France/Germany with a larger army would do the world no harm.

Also, check your source (i know you don't like this). From the first page of the study; Released: 06.23.05. Can you think of any major events around then that could possibly swing the results of the study one way from the other? (bearing in mind we're all tree dwelling drug loving no gun hippys)

And continue to ignore the other points i made, stick to your (broken) guns.

FatherTed wrote:

lowing wrote:

FatherTed wrote:

Why would we want a weaker America exactly? America being one of the financial powerhouses of the world, and with so many American TNC's providing work over here?

Or was that just another baseless accusation?

I don't give a fuck if you have a socialist America or a Nazi themed one avec powdered Jews, it isn't my country to say how you run it. I'll admit that i am of the opinion that America should be more socialist - But that's where it stops, at an opinion

And tbh yeah a man who recognises Europe is a valuable ally is a bonus, so I'm not sure why you're comparing that to ass-kissing.


Keep 'em coming.

Why do you want a weaker America? I dunno you tell me.

"Majorities in every other country surveyed, aside from the U.S., favor another country challenging America's global military supremacy. Americans strongly reject this idea, by 63%-26%.

In Western Europe, large majorities favor a countervailing military force with more than 69% of the publics in France, Germany, Spain and the Netherlands taking that view. Even most British and Canadians favor a rival for U.S. dominance to emerge, although somewhat fewer people in those countries endorse this idea."

taken from: http://pewglobal.org/reports/display.php?PageID=804

Europe is not an ally if European self interests are to be favored over US self interests, and to sacrifice US self interests to gain European favor is ass kissing.  Sorry.

I will keep the facts coming, if you will keep bouncing between excuses for your love affair with Obama.

Would it be such a honest to god terrible thing if there was another military as capable as yours? Remember most of the influential countries in Europe historically have had enormous military clout - It's only natural to feel slighty... jealous? (jealous isn't really the word i'm looking for) on an apple-apple comparison of EU mil vs the USA. And perhaps there is a balence needed - Remember those graphs do not insinuate who we want as a Military rival (so in that respect, a bit of a limited graph to draw opinions from). Having the UK/France/Germany with a larger army would do the world no harm.

Also, check your source (i know you don't like this). From the first page of the study; Released: 06.23.05. Can you think of any major events around then that could possibly swing the results of the study one way from the other? (bearing in mind we're all tree dwelling drug loving no gun hippys)

And continue to ignore the other points i made, stick to your (broken) guns.

Not the issue, only the EU can decide for itself if a stronger military is needed to keep the US in check. However that was not my point. You challenged me on the issue that Europeans want a weaker America, I showed evidence to support that. Obama is bowing to you, and apologizing to you. This is the reason you love him, because he gets on his knees to kiss your ass.

Yes I know why that is, and it is because the US ousted one Europes bed fellows and you didn't like it. Never mind that the same poll that showed disapproval for going into Iraq also showed that it was over whelmingly believed that a post war Iraq would be better off than it was before the war.

FatherTed wrote:

Sorry which of our 'bed fellows' did you oust in 05?

Gimme a break. Address the post and stop with your bullshit dodging games.

Spark wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

lowing wrote:

Not a single attack since 911 Cam, seems to have worked out pretty well so far.

Actually more Islamic terror attacks against Americans than any other period in history to date.

~ 20 attacks on US soil since 9/11 and more Americans killed by Islamic extremists than ever before.

Of course it's worked out well. That's even before you consider the financial impact.

think you're exaggerating there - or did you mean attempted attacks?

No, I meant attacks. Attacks in which American civilians have been killed on American soil.