what bottle? no booze in two daysmikkel wrote:
Lay off the bottle, marine.
They're still considered private though, although nowadays by your logic there really is no such thing as private companies in the US anymore, certainly not for the big ones at least. Yeah it's all messed up.
As for the Wives/Dogs, most of those guys at least serve out some punishment for their actions, and yes speech is just speech, but when the NFL is dominated by black people as it is, and those speeches are usually directed towards them, well you can see why what happens, happens. It's hypocritical but not exactly surprising either. The guy is clearly not a very wise businessman if he wants to get into the NFL saying the stuff he says, doesn't take a genius to figure it out.
As for the Wives/Dogs, most of those guys at least serve out some punishment for their actions, and yes speech is just speech, but when the NFL is dominated by black people as it is, and those speeches are usually directed towards them, well you can see why what happens, happens. It's hypocritical but not exactly surprising either. The guy is clearly not a very wise businessman if he wants to get into the NFL saying the stuff he says, doesn't take a genius to figure it out.
simple break down
Rush is a conservative talker on a radio show
NFL, the player unions & Sharpton do not agree on what he says and he's views
using what he says, they used that as their escape goat on denying him part ownership
they allow drug dealers, wife beaters, dog abusers, DUIers in and back into the NFL
he's freedom of speech was used against him --------------- yes its a private business ( I would argue the point " private ) and they can deny him
but baseing it off his views is a bullshit move
he would have brought in millions to a sport he loves
as a business owner - imagine what would happen if I denied Sharpton
Rush is a conservative talker on a radio show
NFL, the player unions & Sharpton do not agree on what he says and he's views
using what he says, they used that as their escape goat on denying him part ownership
they allow drug dealers, wife beaters, dog abusers, DUIers in and back into the NFL
he's freedom of speech was used against him --------------- yes its a private business ( I would argue the point " private ) and they can deny him
but baseing it off his views is a bullshit move
he would have brought in millions to a sport he loves
as a business owner - imagine what would happen if I denied Sharpton
HA!Mekstizzle wrote:
As for the Wives/Dogs, most of those guys at least serve out some punishment for their actions
go read a story about a 2nd string jacksonville player who on the way to the team plane on sunday hit two cars. one went to the hospital. when the cops showed up, he said i am a jaguars player and need to get to the plane. cops escorted him. THAT is the NFL. dont be under any illusions Mek.
Well that's the key point, if they don't like what he says, then he's never going to get in, it's just how shit is. Just like in the same way a Muslim will never be President of the USA because it just ain't gonna happen.SEREMAKER wrote:
NFL, the player unions & Sharpton do not agree on what he says and he's views
except Obama
It's not really a bullshit move, it's something you'd expect for most things in life in general.
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protests. marches. lawsuits. etcSEREMAKER wrote:
as a business owner - imagine what would happen if I denied Sharpton
its where they can't seperate personal feelings from a business standpointMekstizzle wrote:
Well that's the key point, if they don't like what he says, then he's never going to get in, it's just how shit is. Just like in the same way a Muslim will never be President of the USA because it just ain't gonna happen.SEREMAKER wrote:
NFL, the player unions & Sharpton do not agree on what he says and he's views
except Obama
It's not really a bullshit move, it's something you'd expect for most things in life in general.
If they just didn't say anything, I wouldn't have a problem but now the cats out of the bag
exactly ..... my building would probably be burned downRed wrote:
protests. marches. lawsuits. etc
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You're never gonna be able to eliminate that personal factor in business or politics or everyday life, especially when it's all highly publicised. At the end of the day it's all still one giant social society and social factors like knowing the right people and stupid shit like that will always get you further ahead (or pull you down) than just plain credentials and numbers.SEREMAKER wrote:
its where they can't seperate personal feelings from a business standpointMekstizzle wrote:
Well that's the key point, if they don't like what he says, then he's never going to get in, it's just how shit is. Just like in the same way a Muslim will never be President of the USA because it just ain't gonna happen.SEREMAKER wrote:
NFL, the player unions & Sharpton do not agree on what he says and he's views
except Obama
It's not really a bullshit move, it's something you'd expect for most things in life in general.
If they just didn't say anything, I wouldn't have a problem but now the cats out of the bag
thats true. your business would collapse. you would be a racist forever. gotta love it.SEREMAKER wrote:
its where they can't seperate personal feelings from a business standpointMekstizzle wrote:
Well that's the key point, if they don't like what he says, then he's never going to get in, it's just how shit is. Just like in the same way a Muslim will never be President of the USA because it just ain't gonna happen.SEREMAKER wrote:
NFL, the player unions & Sharpton do not agree on what he says and he's views
except Obama
It's not really a bullshit move, it's something you'd expect for most things in life in general.
If they just didn't say anything, I wouldn't have a problem but now the cats out of the bagexactly ..... my building would probably be burned downRed wrote:
protests. marches. lawsuits. etc
Rush is right; the dems are politcizing everything from healthcare to nfl ownership.
One can only hope this era of government confiscation ends soon. The Golden Age of banks must end and hopefully not in chaos and anarchy.
Look at it this way; this rush episode has proven that money doesn't matter. It is what you say and whos ass you kiss.
One can only hope this era of government confiscation ends soon. The Golden Age of banks must end and hopefully not in chaos and anarchy.
Look at it this way; this rush episode has proven that money doesn't matter. It is what you say and whos ass you kiss.
What are his racist comments?Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:
Limpbutt is not a former racist, he still a raging bigoted racist, and the NFL is 70% black. There are numerous documented cases of racist remarks from him. Ain't Karma a bitch.
Limpbutt is a hard core economic conservative. The NFL has profit sharing, and some teams generate way more revenue than others. They also have a strong players union. The NFL also has min/max caps on player salaries. Why would he want to be part of an organization that has economic policies that fly in the face of everything he believes, unless he thought that maybe that could be changed once he got in there.
Fuck Limpbutt. He's been a loud mouth divisive asshole that only gets more divisive as times goes on. You reap what you sow.
Who cares what the business model the NFL uses. If someone has the capitol to buy something, then it is wrong to exclude them due to ideology. If Fergie can own the dolphins, then what's the problem?
That's your opinion of Limbaugh. I bet there's tens of millions that have a much more favorable opinion of him. He is an entertainer and compared to the integrity of the NFL, he looks like a choir boy.
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something. - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
No, not that. Did the government suppress his freedom of speech? No, the free market that Rush goes on and on about stifled his bid. The NFL and Players Union pressured the group he was a part of to drop his bid. Jim Irsay (a white Catholic conservative), owner of the Colts franchise, was vocal in his opposition to Rush being a part owner. Roger Goodell (a white Republican), NFL commissioner, was vocal in his opposition. It wasn't just the players. I didn't see any of the owner's group (made up largely of white conservative concentrated capital-types) come out in support of Rush...I wonder why?Red Forman wrote:
this...SEREMAKER wrote:
they want to fight for their freedom of speech ................ just as long as its too their tune
Rush is free to say whatever he wants. The economic implications is what he should have been worried about. There was no action by the government to stifle his free speech. That's not an issue, so don't argue it. Nowhere did I read anyone say Rush shouldn't be allowed to say what he does.
And sorry for anyone who thinks otherwise (especially you, Rush): this isn't evidence of the scope of Obama's power over society. That's one of the more retarded things I've heard Rush say.
I think it's stupid that race is discussed in 2009 when describing anyone. It pains me to see a headline that points out the race, religion or other demographic catagory when I read a news story. It's just as retarded as Rush claiming the media was putting McNabb on a pedestal because 'the media wanted to see a black QB succeed. Rush can't make devisive statements regarding race and then claim people are playing the race card. Well he can, but it makes him sound like a whiny douche (imagine that).
Oh yea, the NFL needs to stay clear of controversy ..lol
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Interesting stuff about the wikipedia BS eh?DBBrinson1 wrote:
What are his racist comments?Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:
Limpbutt is not a former racist, he still a raging bigoted racist, and the NFL is 70% black. There are numerous documented cases of racist remarks from him. Ain't Karma a bitch.
Limpbutt is a hard core economic conservative. The NFL has profit sharing, and some teams generate way more revenue than others. They also have a strong players union. The NFL also has min/max caps on player salaries. Why would he want to be part of an organization that has economic policies that fly in the face of everything he believes, unless he thought that maybe that could be changed once he got in there.
Fuck Limpbutt. He's been a loud mouth divisive asshole that only gets more divisive as times goes on. You reap what you sow.
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/200 … dia_l.html
Read up
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/today.guest.html
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It's not so much "racist" comments as much as controversial comments. The people arguing that Rush is racist are Al Sharpton and the other "Race Hustlers" (as Rush calls them). Goodell didn't cite the supposed racist comments and neither did Jim Irsay in voicing their opposition. They might understand that people that don't like Rush for whatever reason could protest the NFL with their pocketbooks, which would affect the NFL's bottom line and bring increased scrutiny.
Personally I don't think Rush is a racist per se, I just think he says inflammatory statements for reactions and this time he got screwed by his own words. I think he doesn't like 'black culture', whatever that is. There's plenty of folks out there just like him, wrong or right. Xenephobic might be a better description.
Personally I don't think Rush is a racist per se, I just think he says inflammatory statements for reactions and this time he got screwed by his own words. I think he doesn't like 'black culture', whatever that is. There's plenty of folks out there just like him, wrong or right. Xenephobic might be a better description.
I'm not saying it's just racist controversy neither (which is not true). The NFL has all sorts of blends. Racist just would have been one of the more unacceptable flavors.
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he was right.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
It's just as retarded as Rush claiming the media was putting McNabb on a pedestal because 'the media wanted to see a black QB succeed. Rush can't make devisive statements regarding race and then claim people are playing the race card. Well he can, but it makes him sound like a whiny douche (imagine that).
Yes, the heads of the various news outlets met in secret and conspired to tell their various journalists to write and cover only positive aspects of McNabb's play. because they had a vested interest in McNabb succeeding.Red Forman wrote:
he was right.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
It's just as retarded as Rush claiming the media was putting McNabb on a pedestal because 'the media wanted to see a black QB succeed. Rush can't make devisive statements regarding race and then claim people are playing the race card. Well he can, but it makes him sound like a whiny douche (imagine that).
Dude are you serious?
the way you put it ofc not. but it seemed he was propped up for pretty much nothing. i could think of many more players that deserved chunky commercials for example besides him. and ESPN was/is all over his knob.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
Yes, the heads of the various news outlets met in secret and conspired to tell their various journalists to write and cover only positive aspects of McNabb's play.Red Forman wrote:
he was right.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
It's just as retarded as Rush claiming the media was putting McNabb on a pedestal because 'the media wanted to see a black QB succeed. Rush can't make devisive statements regarding race and then claim people are playing the race card. Well he can, but it makes him sound like a whiny douche (imagine that).
Dude are you serious?
Do you understand the media in the US?KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
Yes, the heads of the various news outlets met in secret and conspired to tell their various journalists to write and cover only positive aspects of McNabb's play. because they had a vested interest in McNabb succeeding.Red Forman wrote:
he was right.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
It's just as retarded as Rush claiming the media was putting McNabb on a pedestal because 'the media wanted to see a black QB succeed. Rush can't make devisive statements regarding race and then claim people are playing the race card. Well he can, but it makes him sound like a whiny douche (imagine that).
Dude are you serious?
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something. - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
It is funny that although NFL is dominated by black people the main position QB is dominated by white people for the most part.
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If you want to start another topic about media bias go right ahead.DBBrinson1 wrote:
Do you understand the media in the US?KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
Yes, the heads of the various news outlets met in secret and conspired to tell their various journalists to write and cover only positive aspects of McNabb's play. because they had a vested interest in McNabb succeeding.Red Forman wrote:
he was right.
Dude are you serious?
As to your question, yes, the media is a for-profit institution. They are biased towards concentrated capital (the 'establishment') and stories that sell, not black QBs in the NFL. Oh wait, perhaps the media knew Obama would be elected in 2008 and were preemptively kowtowing to the future Obama Administration. Yeah, that's the ticket!
You know the media doesn't decide whether or not Campbells signs McNabb to endorsement deals, right?Red Forman wrote:
the way you put it ofc not. but it seemed he was propped up for pretty much nothing. i could think of many more players that deserved chunky commercials for example besides him. and ESPN was/is all over his knob.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
Yes, the heads of the various news outlets met in secret and conspired to tell their various journalists to write and cover only positive aspects of McNabb's play.Red Forman wrote:
he was right.
Dude are you serious?
The way the covered his play at the time was weird Ken. It may have been by collective chance that they almost all were getting it wrong, but it did not make sense to me. You may not agree with the conclusion of conspiracy but I have not seen any real explanation, ever.
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He took his team to the NFC Championship game that season and the two before. He was doing well...perhaps that's why he was getting a lot of attention. There weren't that many black QBs at that point who garnered the same type of success in the NFL. The media overrates plenty of players in sports all the time. It seemed like a stupid thing to say, regardless.Kmarion wrote:
The way the covered his play at the time was weird Ken. It may have been by collective chance that they almost all were getting it wrong, but it did not make sense to me. You may not agree with the conclusion of conspiracy but I have not seen any real explanation, ever.
This article illustrates the context of Rush's comments.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
He took his team to the NFC Championship game that season and the two before. He was doing well...perhaps that's why he was getting a lot of attention. There weren't that many black QBs at that point who garnered the same type of success in the NFL. The media overrates plenty of players in sports all the time. It seemed like a stupid thing to say, regardless.Kmarion wrote:
The way the covered his play at the time was weird Ken. It may have been by collective chance that they almost all were getting it wrong, but it did not make sense to me. You may not agree with the conclusion of conspiracy but I have not seen any real explanation, ever.
"There's a little hope invested in McNabb, and he got a lot of credit for the performance of his team that he didn't deserve. The defense carried this team."
Let's take the football stuff first. For the past four seasons, the Philadelphia Eagles have had one of the best defenses in the National Football League and have failed to make it to the Super Bowl primarily because of an ineffective offense—an offense run by Donovan McNabb. McNabb was a great college quarterback, in my estimation one of the best of the '90s while at Syracuse. (For the record, I helped persuade ESPN Magazine, then called ESPN Total Sports, to put him on the cover of the 1998 college-football preview issue.) He is one of the most talented athletes in the NFL, but that talent has not translated into greatness as a pro quarterback.
McNabb has started for the Eagles since the 2000 season. In that time, the Eagles offense has never ranked higher than 10th in the league in yards gained. In fact, their 10th-place rank in 2002 was easily their best; in their two previous seasons, they were 17th in a 32-team league. They rank 31st so far in 2003.
In contrast, the Eagles defense in those four seasons has never ranked lower than 10th in yards allowed. In 2001, they were seventh; in 2002 they were fourth; this year they're fifth. It shouldn't take a football Einstein to see that the Eagles' strength over the past few seasons has been on defense, and Limbaugh is no football Einstein, which is probably why he spotted it.
The news that the Eagles defense has "carried" them over this period should be neither surprising nor controversial to anyone with access to simple NFL statistics—or for that matter, with access to a television. Yet, McNabb has received an overwhelming share of media attention and thus the credit. Now why is this?
Let's look at a quarterback with similar numbers who also plays for a team with a great defense. I don't know anyone who would call Brad Johnson one of the best quarterbacks in pro football—which is how McNabb is often referred to. In fact, I don't know anyone who would call Brad Johnson, on the evidence of his 10-year NFL career, much more than mediocre. Yet, Johnson's NFL career passer rating, as of last Sunday, is 7.3 points higher than McNabb's (84.8 to 77.5), he has completed his passes at a higher rate (61.8 percent to 56.4 percent), and has averaged significantly more yards per pass (6.84 to 5.91). McNabb excels in just one area, running, where he has gained 2,040 yards and scored 14 touchdowns to Johnson's 467 and seven. But McNabb has also been sacked more frequently than Johnson—more than once, on average, per game, which negates much of the rushing advantage.
In other words, in just about every way, Brad Johnson has been a more effective quarterback than McNabb and over a longer period.
And even if you say the stats don't matter and that a quarterback's job is to win games, Johnson comes out ahead. Johnson has something McNabb doesn't, a Super Bowl ring, which he went on to win after his Bucs trounced McNabb's Eagles in last year's NFC championship game by a score of 27-10. The Bucs and Eagles were regarded by everyone as having the two best defenses in the NFL last year. When they played in the championship game, the difference was that the Bucs defense completely bottled up McNabb while the Eagles defense couldn't stop Johnson.
In terms of performance, many NFL quarterbacks should be ranked ahead of McNabb. But McNabb has represented something special to all of us since he started his first game in the NFL, and we all know what that is.
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