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AussieReaper wrote:

lowing wrote:

AussieReaper wrote:

Can you offer any solution to those who genuinely need this assistance, or do you just hate welfare because people like Macbeth think it's in their benefit to exploit it and do so?

Can I offer a solution of course I can, the problem is, my fuckin solution would require effort on the welfare recipients part. Can't fuckin' have any of that can you?

I'd have thought the welfare recipients effort would have been focused upon their higher education, which needs quite a lot of effort. I suppose you'd imagine it quite simple to juggle living expenses, a full time job and full time university study?

Now if you'd like to agree that what Macbeth is trying to do is exploit the system designed to help those who actually need it, maybe I can see where you're coming from with this "more effort is needed" talk.

But there are those who are on government welfare to help with their education because they have no choice, you can understand?

Diesel_dyk wrote:

lowing wrote:

Diesel_dyk wrote:

OJT, nice, now there is a great socialist program. So you got paid to be trained, wow that's nice I wish that I got paid while I got a free secondary education.

If you don't like the truth, don't complain to me about it because you will get no where with me, I'm the rock that hypocrits crash themselves upon, and I'm more than happy to continue pointing it out to you.

To me your advice on financing a post secondary education isn't worth spit, I'm just pointing out to others why it isn't worth spit.

I have no problem being dashed upon the rocks of hard truth, the problem is, you are not doing the dashing, you are desperate and wanting. Your desire to humilate me, belittle me or show me to be on welfare so badly, you have gone as far as to re-invent the meaning of welfare. It is almost laughable.

OJT is also not welfare, it is a nessessary tool for all occupations. I mean of course unless you are born knowing how to fight fires, solve murders, perform open heart surgery etc....
Don't you see how fucked up your argument is?

Here's an idea. this banter back and forth ignores the fact that Macbeth was asking for advice.

Too much has been written already that hijacks his thread... if you want to start another thread I will be happy to meet you there.

In the mean time how about you bring your considerable knowledge to bear on the OP and provide Macbeth with some meaningful advice that doesn't involve some vile anti-liberal everyone else is lazy and the world sucks etc etc. which sad to say is pretty much how you ruin every thread you post on... so how about surprising us all and posting some good advice for Macbeth.



Macbeth if you can live at home, its a cheap place to live, sucks as far as the social life goes, but then again a lot of students' have poor grades from too many distractions when they first move out on their own. If you can stay at home.

Also, if you plan on post graduate or professional school, you should really try not to work in order to have more time to study and get top grades... its the one way you can be sure to put your most competative foot forward when trying to secure a seat in a professinal school. IMO its worth the extra student loans in undergrad if it helps you get a seat at the professional school of your choice. FYI loans become much more available once you are in a professional school.

AussieReaper wrote:

lowing wrote:

AussieReaper wrote:

I'd have thought the welfare recipients effort would have been focused upon their higher education, which needs quite a lot of effort. I suppose you'd imagine it quite simple to juggle living expenses, a full time job and full time university study?

Now if you'd like to agree that what Macbeth is trying to do is exploit the system designed to help those who actually need it, maybe I can see where you're coming from with this "more effort is needed" talk.

But there are those who are on government welfare to help with their education because they have no choice, you can understand?

you say this as if, the majority of college students are not working and studying at the same time. You say this as if most college students already have a great job to pay their way through school. Not many college students have money yet Aussie, yet they seem to manage school without the taxpayers help. At least help they will not have to pay back

Are there people who need this assistance or not?

Simple to answer.

Diesel_dyk wrote:

lowing wrote:

Macbeth wrote:

Not amazingly difficult. Been doing it for nearly a year now.

Also I'm pretty surprised some of you thought I was seriously going to do this and not just making an example.

Of course they did, it is how they think. They also probably think you are stupid for not doing it.

No, people think you're both stupid. You ask for advice, but instead its just whining about how you preceive an injustice about how you have to pay back your student loans while you think someone else got a free ride. You took the money, pay it back, save us the drama.
You guys are so full of shit, enjoy your karma +1 circle jerk.

AussieReaper wrote:

lowing wrote:

Help those that help themselves, low interst loans are in place for just such things, even grants ( as long as you are not white) but no, I do not endorse simply paying for someone elses livelyhood, when I have one of ny own that I need to pay for.

I didn't ask you whether or not you endorse it. I asked you whether or not there are people who do need some assistance to make it through college.

Yes, or no?

And it's not paying for someone and not getting any return. The government makes money through having a highly skilled workforce that it helps to create through student welfare programs.

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AussieReaper wrote:

lowing wrote:

AussieReaper wrote:

I didn't ask you whether or not you endorse it. I asked you whether or not there are people who do need some assistance to make it through college.

Yes, or no?

And it's not paying for someone and not getting any return. The government makes money through having a highly skilled workforce that it helps to create through student welfare programs.

I see, so you want a blank check with no explanation. Sorry you ain't getting that from me. There are programs in place TO ASSIST, there does not need to be 100% "free" ride. Anyone that wants college bad enough finds a way to make it work. The sacrifice is supposed to be made by the one getting the education. Not those that have nothing to do with it.

I'm not talking about a blank cheque. Your just trying to twist it now. There are people who need financial assistance to make it through college. Your current unemployment rate in the US doesn't exactly make it nice and easy to get even a part time job. How much harm does some tax payer money going to someone who NEEDS it do?

If you cry that it's taking away money from you, when they college graduate has the qualifications they start earning more money and shock horror, paying higher taxes. Acting as industry leaders. Creating jobs.

Have a look at countries that focus on education standards, like Japan, which become highly skilled and technically qualified. They base their economy on high tech industry and benefit from graduate attributes.

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AussieReaper wrote:

lowing wrote:

Aussie, just about EVERY COLLEGE kid needs money. They are not in the work force yet, of course they are broke. So they get a part time job. There is nothing new here.

I am not twisting anything, I simply don't agree with you that someones education is MY responsibility. Get a loan, apply for a grant ( especially if you are not white) there is ASSISTANCE available. You are asking for yet another "free ride". Most everyone else that ever went to college sacrificed. I am not willing to sacrifice SO YOU can go to college. Like everything else in life, if you want, YOU fuckin' pay for it.

Part time jobs are hardly available at the moment, you may not have noticed by the current unemployment rate in the US is up there.

Loans are also difficult at the moment, you may not have noticed but the banks are not lending money as they once did. You know, liquidity and all that.

Helping someone =/= giving them a free ride when they NEED it.

If you'd rather, they can continue to remain poor, have a low standard of education, and therefore low pay and not amount to anything. That is my definition of fail. When they don't meet their potential in the workforce.

Your definition of fail is someone who uses tax money effectively to move up in the world.

Frankly I don't see it your way...

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