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2009-10-15 06:02:58

#51

Mekstizzle: WALKER; +3,611|6908|London, England

lowing wrote:
and to think all of that warmth from Europe, and US policy has changed not at all. Still in Iraq, Still in Afghanistan, still have Gitmo. Economy still shit and getting worse apparently. Oh well, as long as Europe finally has their lap dog that Bush refused to be.

People only really started hating on Bush after the Iraq invasion and thereafter it just kept getting worse. Obama has only been around for 9 months, can't possibly expect him to have reversed all the policies of Bush within that time. The guy's administration inherited all that stuff, not started it. Which is probably a key thing.

Didn't they already announce that Gitmo will close and that there will be a pullout in Iraq. As for Afghanistan, I don't think anyone ever expected Obama to do anything but continue the war or escalate it.

You still fail to see that the warmth arises from the fact that it's a different, relatively new regime that is seen in a better light. You just seem angry that people are starting to see your country in a better light because of your highly partisan nature. Kinda lame really.

2009-10-15 06:03:29

#52

Ty: Mass Media Casualty; +2,398|7061|Noizyland

1: The effect of the soldier's taking the fight to the enemy has meant that the enemy has not needed to take the fight to the United States. Why attack Americans in America when they're coming over to you?

2: Agreed but that doesn't mean their lives are worth any less and 4,262 is a bigger number than 2,993

3: 9/11 was an attack, the war started in March of '03. I do think that it is 100% impossible for a 9/11-scale attack to happen every day. America is not an easy country to attack, not to mention the fact that domestic security was incredibly beefed-up after 9/11 not to mention the resources, manpower and planning required for the 9/11 attack.

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2009-10-15 06:06:13

#53

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,817|6393|eXtreme to the maX

Mek wrote:
You just seem angry that people are starting to see your country in a better light because of your highly partisan nature. Kinda lame really.

Its funny, the Fox News types would be happy for the US to sink if it meant Obama went down with it.

Fuck Israel

2009-10-15 06:19:02

#54

Red Forman: Banned; +402|5687

Mekstizzle wrote:
Didn't they already announce that Gitmo will close and that there will be a pullout in Iraq.

lol. gotta bridge to sell you, Mok.

2009-10-15 06:20:04

#55

ghettoperson: Member; +1,943|6936

Red Forman wrote:
Mekstizzle wrote:
Didn't they already announce that Gitmo will close and that there will be a pullout in Iraq.
lol. gotta bridge to sell you, Mok.

Really? I too am in the market for a new bridge.

2009-10-15 06:21:47

#56

Mekstizzle: WALKER; +3,611|6908|London, England

I want a cable stayed bridge

2009-10-15 07:43:23

#57

lowing: Banned; +1,662|6938|USA

Mekstizzle wrote:
lowing wrote:
and to think all of that warmth from Europe, and US policy has changed not at all. Still in Iraq, Still in Afghanistan, still have Gitmo. Economy still shit and getting worse apparently. Oh well, as long as Europe finally has their lap dog that Bush refused to be.
You still fail to see that the warmth arises from the fact that it's a different, relatively new regime that is seen in a better light. You just seem angry that people are starting to see your country in a better light because of your highly partisan nature. Kinda lame really.

...................whose greatest achievement was winning the Nobel peace prize

2009-10-15 08:00:37

#58

Mekstizzle: WALKER; +3,611|6908|London, England

What does that have to do with anything I or you said. All I'm saying is, you're complaining about how relatively nice everyone is treating your country all of a sudden because of the Obama regime despite the fact that he hasn't done anything, and I'm saying it's because he has at least shown something that he won't be like Bush was, and even if he hasn't done shit yet, it's only been 9 months (it took much longer than 9 months before everyone started hating on Bush, much longer) and it's not like he's done anything or gone out of his way to make things less favourable with certain parts of the world so that's why he's looked on more favourably.

He hasn't done much except talk, and you're right, but not doing anything includes doing something to piss people off (which he hasn't done, yet). That's at least a step forward in the eyes of some. The fact is you just want to jump on Obama all the time because of party affiliations and a clash of ideology. So you also then jump on everyone else when they don't treat him as bad as they did with your favourite boy Bush because you get angry/jealous for some reason, again it boils down to your massive closeminded partisanship

2009-10-15 08:48:28

#59

Red Forman: Banned; +402|5687

no, it boils down to fairness....which most people on this forum who hated bush fail at.

2009-10-15 08:55:30

#60

Mekstizzle: WALKER; +3,611|6908|London, England

Not really. People justified as to why they hated Bush. Obama hasn't done much wrong yet, not on the par of Bush, it's Nine months vs 8 years right now. He seems to be a more likeable chap so far. You gotta give it more time to see if people should start hating on Obama like they did Bush. So far the major talking points are simply inherited things from the Bush regime. So far Obama seems to be going down a route of not trying to piss everyone off, it's a start at least.

2009-10-15 08:57:39

#61

Red Forman: Banned; +402|5687

youre nuts. he has continued EVERY single thing people hated bush for.

2009-10-15 09:02:44

#62

Mekstizzle: WALKER; +3,611|6908|London, England

Yeah, he's continued, not started. And you can't deny that he's also trying to undo some of the stuff Bush did. It might take longer than he said, though. You also can't deny that he's trying to make things better with certain parts of the world. There's more to people outside of the US simply liking him because "they all like seeing America weak and they're all stupid idiots so they like Obama" it's dumb shit like that which fuels all the anti american bullshit in the first place.

2009-10-15 09:04:58

#63

Red Forman: Banned; +402|5687

i dont agree. he was in campaign mode then the real world hit him.

and ass kissing is lame.

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2009-10-15 09:06:41

#64

Ty: Mass Media Casualty; +2,398|7061|Noizyland

Diplomacy is not ass-kissing.

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2009-10-15 09:09:21

#65

Cybargs: Moderated; +2,285|7003

Red Forman wrote:
youre nuts. he has continued EVERY single thing people hated bush for.

Pretty much. And he won a peace prize too. The world would only judge one's character, and not one's actions.

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2009-10-15 09:18:09

#66

Red Forman: Banned; +402|5687

Ty wrote:
Diplomacy is not ass-kissing.

lol working great eh. iran and NK are really playing along.

2009-10-15 09:50:50

#67

Ty: Mass Media Casualty; +2,398|7061|Noizyland

Well no wars have broken out so far. Gotta look at the positives dude.

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2009-10-15 10:53:23

#68

lowing: Banned; +1,662|6938|USA

Mekstizzle wrote:
What does that have to do with anything I or you said. All I'm saying is, you're complaining about how relatively nice everyone is treating your country all of a sudden because of the Obama regime despite the fact that he hasn't done anything, and I'm saying it's because he has at least shown something that he won't be like Bush was, and even if he hasn't done shit yet, it's only been 9 months (it took much longer than 9 months before everyone started hating on Bush, much longer) and it's not like he's done anything or gone out of his way to make things less favourable with certain parts of the world so that's why he's looked on more favourably.

He hasn't done much except talk, and you're right, but not doing anything includes doing something to piss people off (which he hasn't done, yet). That's at least a step forward in the eyes of some. The fact is you just want to jump on Obama all the time because of party affiliations and a clash of ideology. So you also then jump on everyone else when they don't treat him as bad as they did with your favourite boy Bush because you get angry/jealous for some reason, again it boils down to your massive closeminded partisanship

I suppose in your mind, not doing anything, like repeal the Bush initiatives that you all bitch about, is doing something positive? Ok whatever you say.

It is business as usual in Washington, but because it is your beloved Obama at the helm, all of sudden it is ok.

2009-10-15 12:05:34

#69

Mekstizzle: WALKER; +3,611|6908|London, England

No, it's not positive, I never said that. But he's clearly not acting out exactly like Bush was, and he's yet to make any serious international blunders like Bush did. And he's only been there for 9 months.

How the hell is a person supposed to get that through your minds. You guys can keep on complaining all you want, I'm done trying to explain to some of you rubber heads why he isn't hated as much as Bush is. You guys figure it out yourselves or just continue calling people this and that, I don't give a shit either way. The whole neocon era in the US was bullshit in my opinion, that's all I think. Anything that is not that is good in my book. For you it's the complete opposite, so lets just agree to disagree.

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2009-10-15 13:22:37

#70

Red Forman: Banned; +402|5687

lol Mek.

2009-10-15 13:23:13

#71

CameronPoe: Member; +2,925|6842

lowing wrote:
CameronPoe wrote:
lowing wrote:
and to think all of that warmth from Europe, and US policy has changed not at all. Still in Iraq, Still in Afghanistan, still have Gitmo. Economy still shit and getting worse apparently. Oh well, as long as Europe finally has their lap dog that Bush refused to be.
Rome wasn't built in a day and our goodwill at grassroots level won't last forever, don't you worry about that - hence the helpful reminder from the man in the pub. I forgot how well Bush worked out for ye all, thanks for the reminder....
Not a single attack since 911 Cam, seems to have worked out pretty well so far.

Shutting a prison down does not seem like the same effort as "building Rome". But whatever, it takes to keep telling yourself you have no love affair with this administration, giving him as much time and patience as he needs. and why? Because he has weakened America, just like Europe wants.
I just love how Europeans can so easily wrap their lips around a liar, full of broken campaign promises, and you don't even like the guy.

'Not a single attack'. lol. Over 4,000 American lives claimed in Iraq and Afghanistan, hundreds dead in Madrid and London, the Taliban and Al Qaeda pushed into and destabilising nuclear-capable Pakistan and all for a very reasonable 3 trillion dollars - hoorah for Bush!!! I suppose IEDs don't count as attacks and American soldiers don't count as American citizens... they're just cannon fodder.....

If he hasn't fully withdrawn from Iraq by the end of his first term then he'll be shown up for what many suspect him to be. It'll take a good deal longer than just 9 months to fix all the problems he has inherited. If he isn't showing tangible results by the end of year 2 then he is just all air. How ludicrous of me to afford a new regime more than a millisecond to fix everything though, what must I be thinking.....

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2009-10-15 13:25:05

#72

Red Forman: Banned; +402|5687

millisecond? fix? blah. he could end both wars in two weeks if he really wanted to. he could stop rendition and indefinite detention and wire taping via the patriot act tomorrow if he wanted to. wow man. wow.

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2009-10-15 13:28:56

#73

CameronPoe: Member; +2,925|6842

Red Forman wrote:
millisecond? fix? blah. he could end both wars in two weeks if he really wanted to. he could stop rendition and indefinite detention and wire taping via the patriot act tomorrow if he wanted to. wow man. wow.

Not big on logistics, red tape and practical implications are you Red... US soldiers have been withdrawn from all urban areas, which is one step on the path at least. Congress have just passed the bill whereby Gitmo detainees will be tried on US soil too. I suppose you would have fixed the US economy in two weeks if you had been made president...

2009-10-15 13:30:22

#74

Red Forman: Banned; +402|5687

ugh...yes cam, i have no idea how long it takes to get troops and equip to and from a warzone. youre the expert there.

2009-10-15 13:32:18

#75

CameronPoe: Member; +2,925|6842

Red Forman wrote:
ugh...yes cam, i have no idea how long it takes to get troops and equip to and from a warzone. youre the expert there.

Well why did you make such a flippantly ignorant remark then if you 'know how long it takes to get troops and equip to and from a warzone'? You implied it would take two weeks. When he starts missing milestones on his 'all out by 2011' step by step plan then I'll complain more than I do (I think Obama is quasi-full of shit myself, just like most politicians, I just think he's less evil and underhand than George Bush & friends and he hasn't yet given me concrete evidence to suggest otherwise).

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