Can someone remind again me what Iraq has to do with 9/11?
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soldiers die in wars. people arent supposed to die at their computers at work.Ty wrote:
Americans and others plus terrorists killed in the 9/11 attacks: 2,993
Americans killed in Iraq since 2003: 4,262
But you're right, not a single attack since 9/11, things have worked out pretty well.
Soldiers are supposed to die in battle.
Not policing countries they've already conquered.
Not policing countries they've already conquered.
Fuck Israel
who said it did? or you just reusing the same old talking points?DonFck wrote:
Can someone remind again me what Iraq has to do with 9/11?
So then mission accomplished?Dilbert_X wrote:
Soldiers are supposed to die in battle.
Not policing countries they've already conquered.
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something. - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
why are you telling me that? i dont make the decisions. i agree though. never said otherwise.Dilbert_X wrote:
Soldiers are supposed to die in battle.
Not policing countries they've already conquered.
No, not at all. I'm just trying to figure out how immediately after lowing entered this thread about Mrs. Clinton enjoying a cold one, it went from that to 9/11, to the global recession and onwards via D-Day to Iraq.Red Forman wrote:
who said it did? or you just reusing the same old talking points?DonFck wrote:
Can someone remind again me what Iraq has to do with 9/11?
How long until we get to Kevin Bacon?
I need around tree fiddy.
We're on #5 so Kevin Bacon should be next.
(And look at that, there he is.)
(And look at that, there he is.)
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http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1019454/Ty wrote:
We're on #5 so Kevin Bacon should be next.
(And look at that, there he is.)
Brilliant.
Edit: Why did I sign my karma to you?
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Well if his objective is to get 100 Islamic goons killed for every American, ya he really suckered us into that one.Dilbert_X wrote:
From Bin Ladens standpoint they are the same.
His objective was to kill as many americans as possible - Much easier if they could be persuaded to come to him than having to organise teams and send them abroad undercover.
D-Day is entirely irrelevant.
and no D-DAY was war, so is this.
Comparing a soldier death in combat is not the same thing to a civilians death who had no idea he was a target.
its lowing brah.DonFck wrote:
No, not at all. I'm just trying to figure out how immediately after lowing entered this thread about Mrs. Clinton enjoying a cold one, it went from that to 9/11, to the global recession and onwards via D-Day to Iraq.Red Forman wrote:
who said it did? or you just reusing the same old talking points?DonFck wrote:
Can someone remind again me what Iraq has to do with 9/11?
How long until we get to Kevin Bacon?
thats like asking how many rocks are there.
Sure has, since we are facing dirty bombs and the like.Ty wrote:
Americans and others plus terrorists killed in the 9/11 attacks: 2,993
Americans killed in Iraq since 2003: 4,262
But you're right, not a single attack since 9/11, things have worked out pretty well.
According to him, there's only one that matters. It's the one that liberals break themselves upon.Red Forman wrote:
its lowing brah.DonFck wrote:
No, not at all. I'm just trying to figure out how immediately after lowing entered this thread about Mrs. Clinton enjoying a cold one, it went from that to 9/11, to the global recession and onwards via D-Day to Iraq.Red Forman wrote:
who said it did? or you just reusing the same old talking points?
How long until we get to Kevin Bacon?
thats like asking how many rocks are there.
I need around tree fiddy.
I made a valid point that Europe has warmed up to an admisration that is doing the same things the Bush administration did, and worse. Thsi included Iraq Afghanistan, the economy etc..... Your side turned it into a production instead of countering my point.DonFck wrote:
No, not at all. I'm just trying to figure out how immediately after lowing entered this thread about Mrs. Clinton enjoying a cold one, it went from that to 9/11, to the global recession and onwards via D-Day to Iraq.Red Forman wrote:
who said it did? or you just reusing the same old talking points?DonFck wrote:
Can someone remind again me what Iraq has to do with 9/11?
How long until we get to Kevin Bacon?
Oh come on, there has been no evidence of anyone being able to execute another large-scale terrorist attack on US soil - mostly because the buffed security has managed to halt any potential threat. What you're essentially saying is that you think 4,262 American lives buying a limited amount of protection from the threat of another 9/11 is worth it. A soldier's life is not worth any less than an office worker's life just because death is part of the hazards of the job.lowing wrote:
Sure has, since we are facing dirty bombs and the like.Ty wrote:
Americans and others plus terrorists killed in the 9/11 attacks: 2,993
Americans killed in Iraq since 2003: 4,262
But you're right, not a single attack since 9/11, things have worked out pretty well.
Hugely ironic that you hate the idea of paying more tax in part due to "socialist" policies yet you're quite willing to enjoy the very limited security that 4,262 Americans died to provide you with.
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Well actually it was more then just Americans and you didn't include Afghanistan, I know I'm being pedantic, and I know that people complain here about Britain being in Afghanistan, but more Brits (67) died on that day then in the suicide bombing here in London on the the 7th of July!Ty wrote:
Americans and others plus terrorists killed in the 9/11 attacks: 2,993
Americans killed in Iraq since 2003: 4,262
But you're right, not a single attack since 9/11, things have worked out pretty well.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties … asualitiesBy far the country with the largest loss of life was the United Kingdom, with 67 deaths (excluding the overseas territory of Bermuda). India had 41, South Korea had 28 and Canada and Japan had 24 each. Colombia had seventeen and Jamaica, Mexico and the Philippines had sixteen each. Australia and Germany had eleven each, while Italy had ten.
People usually forget stuff like that...
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Didn't forget - I wrote "Americans and others" didn't I?Mekstizzle wrote:
Well actually it was more then just Americans and you didn't include Afghanistan, I know I'm being pedantic, and I know that people complain here about Britain being in Afghanistan, but more Brits (67) died on that day then in the suicide bombing here in London on the the 7th of July!Ty wrote:
Americans and others plus terrorists killed in the 9/11 attacks: 2,993
Americans killed in Iraq since 2003: 4,262
But you're right, not a single attack since 9/11, things have worked out pretty well.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties … asualitiesBy far the country with the largest loss of life was the United Kingdom, with 67 deaths (excluding the overseas territory of Bermuda). India had 41, South Korea had 28 and Canada and Japan had 24 each. Colombia had seventeen and Jamaica, Mexico and the Philippines had sixteen each. Australia and Germany had eleven each, while Italy had ten.
People usually forget stuff like that...
I didn't include Afghanistan because the number of American military deaths in Iraq alone almost doubles the deaths of 9/11 which is a poignant enough point on it's own.
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"there has been no evidence of anyone being able to execute another large-scale terrorist attack on US soil" <-----I suppose you think this is by accident.Ty wrote:
Oh come on, there has been no evidence of anyone being able to execute another large-scale terrorist attack on US soil - mostly because the buffed security has managed to halt any potential threat. What you're essentially saying is that you think 4,262 American lives buying a limited amount of protection form the threat of another 9/11 is worth it. A soldier's life is not worth any less than an office worker's life just because death is part of the hazards of the job.lowing wrote:
Sure has, since we are facing dirty bombs and the like.Ty wrote:
Americans and others plus terrorists killed in the 9/11 attacks: 2,993
Americans killed in Iraq since 2003: 4,262
But you're right, not a single attack since 9/11, things have worked out pretty well.
Hugely ironic that you hate the idea of paying more tax in part due to "socialist" policies yet you're quite willing to enjoy the very limited security that 4,262 Americans died to provide you with.
In war sacrifice is exactly what it is. How many Americans died for Europe? Where is your bitching about it? A soldier life is worth just as much, the difference is, a soldier volunteers to go into harms way fcor the rest of us, knowing the possiblities.
I know you know this, so please stop trying to say it is the same damn thing.
Really? 1 single day compared to 8 years? and you think it is comparable?Ty wrote:
Didn't forget - I wrote "Americans and others" didn't I?Mekstizzle wrote:
Well actually it was more then just Americans and you didn't include Afghanistan, I know I'm being pedantic, and I know that people complain here about Britain being in Afghanistan, but more Brits (67) died on that day then in the suicide bombing here in London on the the 7th of July!Ty wrote:
Americans and others plus terrorists killed in the 9/11 attacks: 2,993
Americans killed in Iraq since 2003: 4,262
But you're right, not a single attack since 9/11, things have worked out pretty well.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties … asualitiesBy far the country with the largest loss of life was the United Kingdom, with 67 deaths (excluding the overseas territory of Bermuda). India had 41, South Korea had 28 and Canada and Japan had 24 each. Colombia had seventeen and Jamaica, Mexico and the Philippines had sixteen each. Australia and Germany had eleven each, while Italy had ten.
People usually forget stuff like that...
I didn't include Afghanistan because the number of American military deaths in Iraq alone almost doubles the deaths of 9/11 which is a poignant enough point on it's own.
By the way, the topic is Europes lips qrapped around the Obama administration not Iraq. So please if you wanna post about it, stick to the context in which it was mentioned. We are still there, it is OK for Obama and not for Bush
In terms of numbers of dead its comparable - duh.
Fuck Israel
Oh I see, well in about 100 years, you can add up all the soldiers deaths and really have a solid argument.Dilbert_X wrote:
In terms of numbers of dead its comparable - duh.
You widened it.lowing wrote:
By the way, the topic is Europes lips qrapped around the Obama administration not Iraq. So please if you wanna post about it, stick to the context in which it was mentioned. We are still there, it is OK for Obama and not for Bush
lowing wrote:
Not a single attack since 911 Cam, seems to have worked out pretty well so far.
Fuck Israel
I don't. I fact I believe I wrote "mostly because the buffed security has managed to halt any potential threat." And that's true. Soldiers don't investigate potential terrorist threats, they fight. What terrorist threats have been stopped have been stopped by security forces and investigators, not soldiers.lowing wrote:
"there has been no evidence of anyone being able to execute another large-scale terrorist attack on US soil" <-----I suppose you think this is by accident.
Soldiers train to fight not to die. Dying is a potential hazard as I mentioned but it is not as simple as saying "Oh he was a soldier so his death is understandable".lowing wrote:
In war sacrifice is exactly what it is. How many Americans died for Europe? Where is your bitching about it? A soldier life is worth just as much, the difference is, a soldier volunteers to go into harms way fcor the rest of us, knowing the possiblities.
I know you know this, so please stop trying to say it is the same damn thing.
For one it's been six an a half years and for two yes it is comparable. Know why? Because 9/11 was one act of terrorism, do you think that kind of thing even has the potential to happen every day? Or every year? Judging solely by the number of Americans killed the War in Iraq as been a far bigger disaster than 9/11 and the duration of the war has nothing to do with it.lowing wrote:
Really? 1 single day compared to 8 years? and you think it is comparable?
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1. It has been stopped by a combination of events, not the least of which our troops has taken the fight to the enemy.Ty wrote:
I don't. I fact I believe I wrote "mostly because the buffed security has managed to halt any potential threat." And that's true. Soldiers don't investigate potential terrorist threats, they fight. What terrorist threats have been stopped have been stopped by security forces and investigators, not soldiers.lowing wrote:
"there has been no evidence of anyone being able to execute another large-scale terrorist attack on US soil" <-----I suppose you think this is by accident.Soldiers train to fight not to die. Dying is a potential hazard as I mentioned but it is not as simple as saying "Oh he was a soldier so his death is understandable".lowing wrote:
In war sacrifice is exactly what it is. How many Americans died for Europe? Where is your bitching about it? A soldier life is worth just as much, the difference is, a soldier volunteers to go into harms way fcor the rest of us, knowing the possiblities.
I know you know this, so please stop trying to say it is the same damn thing.For one it's been six an a half years and for two yes it is comparable. Know why? Because 9/11 was one act of terrorism, do you think that kind of thing even has the potential to happen every day? Or every year? Judging solely by the number of Americans killed the War in Iraq as been a far bigger disaster than 9/11 and the duration of the war has nothing to do with it.lowing wrote:
Really? 1 single day compared to 8 years? and you think it is comparable?
2. A soldiers death in combat is far easier to rationalize and justify than the murder of a janitor or office worker or a passenger on a plane, who had no idea they were even at war.
3. I was going with 911. the day we realized we were at war, and yes I think unchecked that kind of thing is capable of happening every day. Do you really think it is not?