Peace though strength.
WAR IS PEACEHarmor wrote:
Peace though strength.
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
Trust but verify.
I was too. Its a long read but sums it up while well. If we didn't have a Republican governor I think it would had been worst as the Democrats in the House and Senate would had got their way (they wanted to raise taxes ALOT and all it would had done is drive the well-to-do and those providing the most to the state coffers out of the state like what is happening in Maryland).ruisleipa wrote:
Hah! I was just about to post the same thing. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/oc … state-debt
So will we get all the Bush-lovers saying this is all Obama's fault? Probably.
' 12% of the US population lives in California. 33% of all people in the US receiving welfare live in California. The US government mandates welfare, but the state pays for it. Additionally. the federal government requires only 2 years of assistance to welfare mommies, but the state gives assistance for 5 years. Illegal aliens flood the state. Healthcare, food stamps, schooling, housing, and jailing cost the state $12 billion a year. Los Angeles county alone spents millions every month to provide services. California is among the highest in state income taxes, sales taxes, and property taxes. The state goes out of its way to discourage businesses from doing business in California. Many businesses and taxpayers are fleeing the state to survive. "
New York just passed a graduated income tax for the first time in it's history (thanks to lobbying by the Working Families Party, the Socialist/Union party) and many of the wealthiest people are fleeing to Florida now. Raising taxes just drives people away. When will they learn?Harmor wrote:
I was too. Its a long read but sums it up while well. If we didn't have a Republican governor I think it would had been worst as the Democrats in the House and Senate would had got their way (they wanted to raise taxes ALOT and all it would had done is drive the well-to-do and those providing the most to the state coffers out of the state like what is happening in Maryland).ruisleipa wrote:
Hah! I was just about to post the same thing. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/oc … state-debt
So will we get all the Bush-lovers saying this is all Obama's fault? Probably.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
OT but have you read any of his essays?JohnG@lt wrote:
WAR IS PEACEHarmor wrote:
Peace though strength.
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
What do expect if you elect a German gay porn star as governor?
I mean really....
I mean really....
Fuck Israel
Ban surfing, you'll find they all leave.ATG wrote:
12% of the US population lives in California. 33% of all people in the US receiving welfare live in California. The US government mandates welfare, but the state pays for it.
Fuck Israel
Just 1984 and Animal Farm.Spark wrote:
OT but have you read any of his essays?
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"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
He wasn't a porn star Mr.Dilbert_X wrote:
What do expect if you elect a German gay porn star as governor?
I mean really....
The last governor was tossed out after he allowed the car registration to triple. The problem in kali is public unions taking way too much in pension and benefits, and runaway illegal immigration. Some home depots have 100 mexicans standing outside and if you happen to slow down while going by they mob your car. Arnie actually attempted meaningful change but the lazy apathetic people stayed home and only the union thugs voted, now we are fucked. Also, John has a point in that infrastructure is a joke.
This bullshit coming from a guy that advocates saving money until your kids are grown up and you are almost dead of old age to buy a house.CameronPoe wrote:
lol @ lowings advocacy for rampant government expenditure under Reagan. The topsy turvy world of Professor Paradox...
PS The USSR collapsed the USSR, not the USA. /newsflash
Oh and on a related note, thanks Ronnie:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c … 5_Muja.jpg
Hate it for you Cam, but the country prospered under Reagan, and the flow of money did trickle down, proving it is a lot better prospect than your dream of trickle up poverty.
http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=1120
Been doing some reading, and there is nothing I can find that suggests that Reagan's hard line tactics against Communism had no affect on the collapse of the Soviet Union, at worst his policies accelerated the inevitable.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
Except that Reagan didn't do anything for the USSR to collapse. You can keep thinking that though if you want. Just know it isn't correct. But I'll stop derailing this thread.
His economic policies gave license to all subsequent administrations to spend like idiots and we're now saddled with almost $10,000,000,000,000 in debt. He's definitely not someone to admire.lowing wrote:
Been doing some reading, and there is nothing I can find that suggests that Reagan's hard line tactics against Communism had no affect on the collapse of the Soviet Union, at worst his policies accelerated the inevitable.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
Except that Reagan didn't do anything for the USSR to collapse. You can keep thinking that though if you want. Just know it isn't correct. But I'll stop derailing this thread.
You want someone to admire? Eisenhower was our last good president. Heed his warning:
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
If you believe that the US has not grown into a super power and kept enemies at bay through deterrence of our military might, if you believe a stronger military than those that want to see us fail or submit is not required, then you are the idiot, hands down.JohnG@lt wrote:
You ate up the propaganda hook, line and sinker. The USSR was going to collapse anyway. Money spent on a military is money that is wasted. You might as well take that money, dump it in a pit and burn it. If you honestly think the Republican mantra of 'small government, small government' honestly includes a bloated defense budget you truly are an idiot. There is defense, as in enough of a force to defend our shores, and then there is we can conquer any European nation inside of two weeks big which is where we currently are. It's not necessary.lowing wrote:
Reaganomics worked, period. reagan's defense spending forced the collapse of our then arch enemy communist USSR. As it turned out their demise was probably the worst thing that could have happens since after their collapse the US stands alone as the world baby sitter, and it is costing us.
That figure you can thank Obama for. The debt has risen exponentially since his taking office. There is your idiot.JohnG@lt wrote:
His economic policies gave license to all subsequent administrations to spend like idiots and we're now saddled with almost $10,000,000,000,000 in debt. He's definitely not someone to admire.lowing wrote:
Been doing some reading, and there is nothing I can find that suggests that Reagan's hard line tactics against Communism had no affect on the collapse of the Soviet Union, at worst his policies accelerated the inevitable.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
Except that Reagan didn't do anything for the USSR to collapse. You can keep thinking that though if you want. Just know it isn't correct. But I'll stop derailing this thread.
You want someone to admire? Eisenhower was our last good president. Heed his warning:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8y06NSBBRtY
Deterrence from what exactly? Do you really think if we didn't have such a giant resource hog draining our national treasury that we would face invasion from China, Russia or anyone else? Please. You see that insurgency going on in Iraq and Afghanistan? You would see the same a thousandfold if anyone tried invading our own shores. We don't NEED a military of the size we do.lowing wrote:
If you believe that the US has not grown into a super power and kept enemies at bay through deterrence of our military might, if you believe a stronger military than those that want to see us fail or submit is not required, then you are the idiot, hands down.
I served on active duty during both peacetime and wartime. I myself deployed to Iraq in 2004 and sat in Baghdad for a year dodging mortars, rockets and IEDs. I know far better than you do that my time on active duty was mostly a waste of taxpayer dollars. I'm the one that experienced mind crushingly boring days spent doing busy work to earn my paycheck while on a CONUS post. My job, and most of the jobs performed in the military, would better serve our nation if they were performed by reservists. We don't NEED a large active duty component for deterrence. Pare down our active duty military to its bare bones and shift all those jobs to reservists and national guardsmen to perform in time of national emergency. Signals, Armor, Infantry, Artillery, Admin and everything else should be dumped from our active duty arsenal. Keep the Special Ops folks and people who need constant training on the active duty roster. Everyone else? Sayanora.
Invest the billions of dollars saved in our infrastructure and our schools. These are the things that made our country great, not an oversized military force that can be deployed on the whim of a sitting president.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
But it doesn't really matter if you guys are in $1 or debt or $10^12 in debt. If a government can just go ahead and decide it wants to spend hundreds of billions of dollars on the military (or on a "Troubled Asset Relief Program") within its 4 year term of governance, surely the normal monetary rules don't even apply to such an entity.JohnG@lt wrote:
His economic policies gave license to all subsequent administrations to spend like idiots and we're now saddled with almost $10,000,000,000,000 in debt.[/url]lowing wrote:
Been doing some reading, and there is nothing I can find that suggests that Reagan's hard line tactics against Communism had no affect on the collapse of the Soviet Union, at worst his policies accelerated the inevitable.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
Except that Reagan didn't do anything for the USSR to collapse. You can keep thinking that though if you want. Just know it isn't correct. But I'll stop derailing this thread.
They managed to spend their way out of the cold war (well it helped, although I'd say even helping the Mooj in Afghanistan did much more than boosting the Military budget) and now seemingly spend their way out of a recession that was supposed to be worse than the 30's recession. Don't ask me how it works, but they can do it and no other country can.
He's absolutely not helping but neither did either of the Bush's. lowing, I've come to realize that you're just another party line idiot who doesn't have the ability to think for himself. I pity you.lowing wrote:
That figure you can thank Obama for. The debt has risen exponentially since his taking office. There is your idiot.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
Not quite. That bill is coming due now. You think the recessions is over? This is just a short upswing on the way to a bottomless abyss. You can't borrow money forever, not with the value of the dollar sinking faster than the Titanic. Fiscal stupidity has doomed America and you will see the end of this nation's relevance within your lifetime. Trust me.Mekstizzle wrote:
But it doesn't really matter if you guys are in $1 or debt or $10^12 in debt. If a government can just go ahead and decide it wants to spend hundreds of billions of dollars on the military (or on a "Troubled Asset Relief Program") within its 4 year term of governance, surely the normal monetary rules don't even apply to such an entity.
They managed to spend their way out of the cold war (well it helped, although I'd say even helping the Mooj in Afghanistan did much more than boosting the Military budget) and now seemingly spend their way out of a recession that was supposed to be worse than the 30's recession. Don't ask me how it works, but they can do it and no other country can.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
I KNEW IT! Please see my earlier post.lowing wrote:
That figure you can thank Obama for. The debt has risen exponentially since his taking office. There is your idiot.
Hook, line and sinker.
Gee I served as well, and I also was over in Iraq in 07 and 08 dodging rockets and mortars, I was a civilian over there. I assume you were a low ranking enlisted man filling sandbags somewhere. This does not make you anymore aware of the big picture than it does me. Being in Iraq does not automatically give you some special knoweldge of foreign policy and world vision. So please give your speech about how much more you know about the world because you were in Iraq, a rest. You were a soldier and you did what you were told to do, you have no greater knowledge because of it.JohnG@lt wrote:
Deterrence from what exactly? Do you really think if we didn't have such a giant resource hog draining our national treasury that we would face invasion from China, Russia or anyone else? Please. You see that insurgency going on in Iraq and Afghanistan? You would see the same a thousandfold if anyone tried invading our own shores. We don't NEED a military of the size we do.lowing wrote:
If you believe that the US has not grown into a super power and kept enemies at bay through deterrence of our military might, if you believe a stronger military than those that want to see us fail or submit is not required, then you are the idiot, hands down.
I served on active duty during both peacetime and wartime. I myself deployed to Iraq in 2004 and sat in Baghdad for a year dodging mortars, rockets and IEDs. I know far better than you do that my time on active duty was mostly a waste of taxpayer dollars. I'm the one that experienced mind crushingly boring days spent doing busy work to earn my paycheck while on a CONUS post. My job, and most of the jobs performed in the military, would better serve our nation if they were performed by reservists. We don't NEED a large active duty component for deterrence. Pare down our active duty military to its bare bones and shift all those jobs to reservists and national guardsmen to perform in time of national emergency. Signals, Armor, Infantry, Artillery, Admin and everything else should be dumped from our active duty arsenal. Keep the Special Ops folks and people who need constant training on the active duty roster. Everyone else? Sayanora.
Invest the billions of dollars saved in our infrastructure and our schools. These are the things that made our country great, not an oversized military force that can be deployed on the whim of a sitting president.
I believe in peace through deterrance, if you think we have no reason to project power and military might to the world to keep the peace, we will just have to agree to disagree. However, I have history on my side.
No need to pity me, I have a great job, a big house, a healthy family, etc. Save your pity for someone who would rather not acquire those things without govt. assistance.JohnG@lt wrote:
He's absolutely not helping but neither did either of the Bush's. lowing, I've come to realize that you're just another party line idiot who doesn't have the ability to think for himself. I pity you.lowing wrote:
That figure you can thank Obama for. The debt has risen exponentially since his taking office. There is your idiot.
I have no party line, I do think for myself, and the rapid growth of govt. spending lies in the lap of Obama, and there really isn't any arguing against that fact.
Obama's spending is 4 time that of Bush and he hasn't even been in office a year yet.
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There's no way you can get through to someone with a view like that (like lowings), especially if that guy is also profiteering off all the high military spending (and wouldn't off spending within the country) so it's kinda pointless.
read upruisleipa wrote:
I KNEW IT! Please see my earlier post.lowing wrote:
That figure you can thank Obama for. The debt has risen exponentially since his taking office. There is your idiot.
Hook, line and sinker.