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2009-10-04 12:28:30
ruisleipa
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/oc … rn-to-acid

"Carbon-dioxide emissions are turning the waters of the Arctic Ocean into acid at an unprecedented rate, scientists have discovered. Research carried out in the archipelago of Svalbard has shown in many regions around the north pole seawater is likely to reach corrosive levels within 10 years. The water will then start to dissolve the shells of mussels and other shellfish and cause major disruption to the food chain. By the end of the century, the entire Arctic Ocean will be corrosively acidic."
2009-10-04 12:30:35
M.O.A.B
'Light 'em up!'
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Sounds like the lake in Dante's Peak.
2009-10-04 12:31:31
jsnipy
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+3,277|6809|...

ruisleipa wrote:

By the end of the century, the entire Arctic Ocean will be corrosively acidic."
We'll all be dead by then
2009-10-04 12:32:53
rammunition
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Blame China and the U.S
2009-10-04 12:34:02
M.O.A.B
'Light 'em up!'
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rammunition wrote:

Blame China and the U.S
I blame the Industrial Revolution for starting it all.
2009-10-04 12:37:19
Red Forman
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rammunition wrote:

Blame China and the U.S
thats right.  everyone else does not use oil or anything.  wait, isnt BP british petroleum?  Shell is dutch ja?  lol ramm.
2009-10-04 12:37:56
Jay
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In for the tinfoil hats.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
2009-10-04 12:38:17
rammunition
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Red Forman wrote:

rammunition wrote:

Blame China and the U.S
thats right.  everyone else does not use oil or anything.  wait, isnt BP british petroleum?  Shell is dutch ja?  lol ramm.
who produces the most CO2 in the world?
2009-10-04 12:38:49
Red Forman
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rammunition wrote:

Red Forman wrote:

rammunition wrote:

Blame China and the U.S
thats right.  everyone else does not use oil or anything.  wait, isnt BP british petroleum?  Shell is dutch ja?  lol ramm.
who produces the most CO2 in the world?
people in glass houses should not throw stones.
2009-10-04 12:39:09
jsnipy
...
+3,277|6809|...

rammunition wrote:

Red Forman wrote:

rammunition wrote:

Blame China and the U.S
thats right.  everyone else does not use oil or anything.  wait, isnt BP british petroleum?  Shell is dutch ja?  lol ramm.
who produces the most CO2 in the world?
Per capita:
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/env_c … per-capita
2009-10-04 12:40:11
M.O.A.B
'Light 'em up!'
+1,220|6510|Escea

rammunition wrote:

Red Forman wrote:

rammunition wrote:

Blame China and the U.S
thats right.  everyone else does not use oil or anything.  wait, isnt BP british petroleum?  Shell is dutch ja?  lol ramm.
who produces the most CO2 in the world?
Those with electricity.
2009-10-04 12:45:58
rammunition
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as a whole
           

      in thousands metric tonnes(annual)/total world percentage
China - 6,103,493     21.5 %
U.S - 5,752,289     20.2 %
2009-10-04 12:54:31
jsnipy
...
+3,277|6809|...

rammunition wrote:

as a whole
           

      in thousands metric tonnes(annual)/total world percentage
China - 6,103,493     21.5 %
U.S - 5,752,289     20.2 %
I guess my point of pointing per capita is that per capita shows habit and lifestyle. The U.S. and China happen to have a lot of people. If you live in a western style society you contribute to China's pollution (I'm assuming you live in the UK).

Last edited by jsnipy (2009-10-04 12:55:33)

2009-10-04 12:56:49
Red Forman
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jsnipy wrote:

rammunition wrote:

as a whole
           

      in thousands metric tonnes(annual)/total world percentage
China - 6,103,493     21.5 %
U.S - 5,752,289     20.2 %
I guess my point of pointing per capita is that per capita shows habit and lifestyle. The U.S. and China happen to have a lot of people. If you live in a western style society you contribute to China's pollution (I'm assuming you live in the UK).
i bet chad doesnt produce much eh?
2009-10-04 12:56:55
seymorebutts443
Ready for combat
+211|6882|Belchertown Massachusetts, USA

M.O.A.B wrote:

rammunition wrote:

Blame China and the U.S
I blame the Industrial Revolution for starting it all.
So blame the Brits then.
2009-10-04 12:56:59
DrunkFace
Germans did 911
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But the US has a lot of people AND a high per capita rate and it seems (at least by this forum) a lot of people who just don't give a shit.
2009-10-04 12:58:10
Jay
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DrunkFace wrote:

But the US has a lot of people AND a high per capita rate and it seems (at least by this forum) a lot of people who just don't give a shit.
Hey, we fixed your ozone layer for you
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
2009-10-04 13:05:42
rammunition
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jsnipy wrote:

rammunition wrote:

as a whole
           

      in thousands metric tonnes(annual)/total world percentage
China - 6,103,493     21.5 %
U.S - 5,752,289     20.2 %
I guess my point of pointing per capita is that per capita shows habit and lifestyle. The U.S. and China happen to have a lot of people. If you live in a western style society you contribute to China's pollution (I'm assuming you live in the UK).
compare the U.S to Indonesia. The U.S has about 308 million in population whilst Indonesia has 230 million. A Bit off but they are ranked 3rd and 4th in population.

Now the U.S produces 21.5% of the Worlds CO2 whilst Indonesia produces 1.2% at 333,483 thousand metric tonne per annual. See the big difference?

Last edited by rammunition (2009-10-04 13:07:03)

2009-10-04 13:07:10
Red Forman
Banned
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so what?  what does it matter.  thats a bi-product of actually making shit.
2009-10-04 13:08:16
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5645|London, England

rammunition wrote:

jsnipy wrote:

rammunition wrote:

as a whole
           

      in thousands metric tonnes(annual)/total world percentage
China - 6,103,493     21.5 %
U.S - 5,752,289     20.2 %
I guess my point of pointing per capita is that per capita shows habit and lifestyle. The U.S. and China happen to have a lot of people. If you live in a western style society you contribute to China's pollution (I'm assuming you live in the UK).
compare the U.S to Indonesia. The U.S has about 208 million in population whilst Indonesia has 230 million. A Bit off but they are ranked 3rd and 4th in population.

Now the U.S produces 21.5% of the Worlds CO2 whilst Indonesia produces 1.2% at 333,483 thousand metric tonne per annual. See the big difference?
Yes, people in Indonesia live in shacks and walk everywhere. People in America live in houses and drive. We in America should lower ourselves down to the level of Indonesia and shut off our electricity, running water and should go back to riding horses for transportation.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
2009-10-04 13:09:43
rammunition
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JohnG@lt wrote:

rammunition wrote:

jsnipy wrote:


I guess my point of pointing per capita is that per capita shows habit and lifestyle. The U.S. and China happen to have a lot of people. If you live in a western style society you contribute to China's pollution (I'm assuming you live in the UK).
compare the U.S to Indonesia. The U.S has about 208 million in population whilst Indonesia has 230 million. A Bit off but they are ranked 3rd and 4th in population.

Now the U.S produces 21.5% of the Worlds CO2 whilst Indonesia produces 1.2% at 333,483 thousand metric tonne per annual. See the big difference?
Yes, people in Indonesia live in shacks and walk everywhere. People in America live in houses and drive. We in America should lower ourselves down to the level of Indonesia and shut off our electricity, running water and should go back to riding horses for transportation.
Not all Indonesia is as such. But China/U.S need to change and lower their emissions.
2009-10-04 13:10:20
M.O.A.B
'Light 'em up!'
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Cows produce huge amounts of greenhouse gas. Time for a good ole fashioned cow purgin.
2009-10-04 13:10:49
Red Forman
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JohnG@lt wrote:

rammunition wrote:

jsnipy wrote:


I guess my point of pointing per capita is that per capita shows habit and lifestyle. The U.S. and China happen to have a lot of people. If you live in a western style society you contribute to China's pollution (I'm assuming you live in the UK).
compare the U.S to Indonesia. The U.S has about 208 million in population whilst Indonesia has 230 million. A Bit off but they are ranked 3rd and 4th in population.

Now the U.S produces 21.5% of the Worlds CO2 whilst Indonesia produces 1.2% at 333,483 thousand metric tonne per annual. See the big difference?
Yes, people in Indonesia live in shacks and walk everywhere. People in America live in houses and drive. We in America should lower ourselves down to the level of Indonesia and shut off our electricity, running water and should go back to riding horses for transportation.
and kill cows
2009-10-04 13:13:02
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|6908|London, England
Why China? You make an argument for per capita emissions for fucking Indonesia but not China. China's population is quadruple that of the US and its emissions are roughly equal (your figures).
2009-10-04 13:13:26
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5645|London, England

rammunition wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

rammunition wrote:


compare the U.S to Indonesia. The U.S has about 208 million in population whilst Indonesia has 230 million. A Bit off but they are ranked 3rd and 4th in population.

Now the U.S produces 21.5% of the Worlds CO2 whilst Indonesia produces 1.2% at 333,483 thousand metric tonne per annual. See the big difference?
Yes, people in Indonesia live in shacks and walk everywhere. People in America live in houses and drive. We in America should lower ourselves down to the level of Indonesia and shut off our electricity, running water and should go back to riding horses for transportation.
Not all Indonesia is as such. But China/U.S need to change and lower their emissions.
We'll get right on that to please your sense of collectivist righteousness, Comrade.

Do you personally live in a home without electricity? Do you use transportation to get to and from work or school? Do you heat and/or air condition your home? Do you buy products produced in factories?

It's easy to sit there and say that China should lower it's emissions when most of the products in your home were most likely produced there.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

 

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