One of the biggest issues people had with Bush was rendition and indefinite detention. Well, Obama has adopted these two programs. So, is Obama wrong or was Bush right?
honestly, i don't see where that many policies have changed.
Why would I agree with Obama doing it when I disagreed with Bush doing it?
we seem to be missing all the bitching and moaning about it. have not seen ONE single thread from those who made threads about Bush and these issues.ghettoperson wrote:
Why would I agree with Obama doing it when I disagreed with Bush doing it?
When Obama takes a crap it smells like roses...
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True story
http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?id=125878Red Forman wrote:
we seem to be missing all the bitching and moaning about it. have not seen ONE single thread from those who made threads about Bush and these issues.ghettoperson wrote:
Why would I agree with Obama doing it when I disagreed with Bush doing it?
A) he was not the one of the people ALWAYS crying about it.DrunkFace wrote:
http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?id=125878Red Forman wrote:
we seem to be missing all the bitching and moaning about it. have not seen ONE single thread from those who made threads about Bush and these issues.ghettoperson wrote:
Why would I agree with Obama doing it when I disagreed with Bush doing it?
B) His name is newsmaster for a reason
C) GTFO
On this, Obama is wrong.
He has at least outlawed torture, and plans to close Guantanamo, whereas Bush thought they were both terrific.
And its not as if he has gone out of his way to set up a torture centre like Abu Ghraib, or change the rules to allow it.
He has at least outlawed torture, and plans to close Guantanamo, whereas Bush thought they were both terrific.
And its not as if he has gone out of his way to set up a torture centre like Abu Ghraib, or change the rules to allow it.
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1. Closing shop at Gitmo and opening somewhere else...
2. Abu Ghraib wasn't designed to do that...
The media just doesn't report it anymore. Partially "Obama can do no wrong" and partially "old news."
Did I mention about half of Americans polled think some torture is OK? (Which I find rather sad.)
2. Abu Ghraib wasn't designed to do that...
The media just doesn't report it anymore. Partially "Obama can do no wrong" and partially "old news."
Did I mention about half of Americans polled think some torture is OK? (Which I find rather sad.)
depends how you define torture....RAIMIUS wrote:
1. Closing shop at Gitmo and opening somewhere else...
2. Abu Ghraib wasn't designed to do that...
The media just doesn't report it anymore. Partially "Obama can do no wrong" and partially "old news."
Did I mention about half of Americans polled think some torture is OK? (Which I find rather sad.)
anyway, this just proves the sad media bias for obama. and to think people said there was none. idiots.
Give it time. The media will turn on him once the flavour of the month appeal wears off.Red Forman wrote:
depends how you define torture....RAIMIUS wrote:
1. Closing shop at Gitmo and opening somewhere else...
2. Abu Ghraib wasn't designed to do that...
The media just doesn't report it anymore. Partially "Obama can do no wrong" and partially "old news."
Did I mention about half of Americans polled think some torture is OK? (Which I find rather sad.)
anyway, this just proves the sad media bias for obama. and to think people said there was none. idiots.
Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.
The media was biased for Bush for a while, and then there was the whole 'you're with me or you're with Al Qaeda' thing.
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that was a tad bit different. that was after 9/11.Dilbert_X wrote:
The media was biased for Bush for a while, and then there was the whole 'you're with me or you're with Al Qaeda' thing.
Doesn't matter, no political leader should be allowed to say 'we're going to war, anyone who speaks out is with the enemy'
Anyway, this is after the global financial crisis and two disastrous wars.
You're with Obama or you're going to Gitmo.
Anyway, this is after the global financial crisis and two disastrous wars.
You're with Obama or you're going to Gitmo.
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regardless. he is doing the exact same things as bush. he is just darker.Dilbert_X wrote:
Doesn't matter, no political leader should be allowed to say 'we're going to war, anyone who speaks out is with the enemy'
Anyway, this is after the global financial crisis and two disastrous wars.
You're with Obama or you're going to Gitmo.
Not quite the exact same things, he's rolled back the worst of the Bush war of terror.
But agreed, rendition and indefinite detention are still wrong.
But agreed, rendition and indefinite detention are still wrong.
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eh? gitmo not going to close when he said. more troops in afghan for whatever reason. still troops in iraq for a long time. show me something different besides his words. like results.Dilbert_X wrote:
Not quite the exact same things, he's rolled back the worst of the Bush war of terror.
But agreed, rendition and indefinite detention are still wrong.
At least he's trying to improve the situation, and he has rolled back the worst abuses.
Bush should have been nailed for all those undemocratic 'signing statements' for example.
Obama has been handed a whole pile of immense problems, whereas Bush was given a budget surplus.
Give the guy a break, he's black FFS.
Bush should have been nailed for all those undemocratic 'signing statements' for example.
Obama has been handed a whole pile of immense problems, whereas Bush was given a budget surplus.
Give the guy a break, he's black FFS.
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wrong dude. bush was handed 9/11. you think they planned all that shit it 7 months?Dilbert_X wrote:
At least he's trying to improve the situation, and he has rolled back the worst abuses.
Bush should have been nailed for all those undemocratic 'signing statements' for example.
Obama has been handed a whole pile of immense problems, whereas Bush was given a budget surplus.
Give the guy a break, he's black FFS.
Not by the democratswrong dude. bush was handed 9/11.
Lets not start that.you think they planned all that shit it 7 months?
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start what? its just opinion. to me the attack started when they moved to america and joined the flight schools.
Oh fine then.
Maybe:
If Bush had agreed to a security briefing from the Clinton team on AQ - which he declined
or
If Bush and Condi had woken up when handed a document which said bin laden was determined to attack the US, probably using airliners - but instead took no action whatever
then probably 9/11 would not have happened.
You can't really blame 9/11 on Clinton. He did make an effort to deal with with Bin Laden, whereas Bush devoted himself to golf.
Maybe:
If Bush had agreed to a security briefing from the Clinton team on AQ - which he declined
or
If Bush and Condi had woken up when handed a document which said bin laden was determined to attack the US, probably using airliners - but instead took no action whatever
then probably 9/11 would not have happened.
You can't really blame 9/11 on Clinton. He did make an effort to deal with with Bin Laden, whereas Bush devoted himself to golf.
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clinton had a chance to kill/capture laden and didnt. fact.
attack was already in motion, just like moving into position for an ambush. clinton team warned them of bin laden. not of arabs in flight school training for suicide attacks into the wtc and pentagon.
attack was already in motion, just like moving into position for an ambush. clinton team warned them of bin laden. not of arabs in flight school training for suicide attacks into the wtc and pentagon.
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Wouldn't necessarily have prevented 9/11 since someone else planned it.clinton had a chance to kill/capture laden and didnt. fact.
Also Bush had an even better chance, but chose to shepherd him into Pakistan instead.
Thats correct, the FBI did that.not of arabs in flight school training for suicide attacks into the wtc and pentagon.
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nope. nobody said shit. so you are saying they knew about it but didnt stop it? come on now.