Ah huh.. Then don't hide behind your veil of "I'm right and you are wrong", and bloody enlighten me as to the other potantial employers of aircraft mechanics.lowing wrote:
You assume, that the only job for aircraft mechanics are with the airlines. This only PROVES beyond a shadow of a doubt that neither one of you know a damn thing about our profession or what you are talking about..
If no one can afford to buy new homes, what to the construction companies do? Like everything else in the word that is bought and sold, supply and demand. The construction companies aren't making money off their 300k homes, so they lower the price that sells. Eventually houses might come down sub to around 100k, payed for by savings. And 'rich people' will no longer be in the high millions.JohnG@lt wrote:
And the only people that will own homes will be landlords letting out property to tenants since they will be the only ones able to afford to buy new homes. That's cool with you? Because it would take us back a good three hundred years or so.Adams_BJ wrote:
If people can't borrow money, houses and assets are going to become cheaper, and eventually it will become stable. Not bad me thinks.
No. What would happen is that construction companies would no longer build houses period. Materials cost money and if they aren't making a profit why would they be in business? So, you would be killing every industry that depends on new homes being built as well. Lumberjacks, lumbermills, stone quarries, boilermakers, faucet and toilet manufacturers etc would all be going out of business.Adams_BJ wrote:
If no one can afford to buy new homes, what to the construction companies do? Like everything else in the word that is bought and sold, supply and demand. The construction companies aren't making money off their 300k homes, so they lower the price that sells. Eventually houses might come down sub to around 100k, payed for by savings. And 'rich people' will no longer be in the high millions.JohnG@lt wrote:
And the only people that will own homes will be landlords letting out property to tenants since they will be the only ones able to afford to buy new homes. That's cool with you? Because it would take us back a good three hundred years or so.Adams_BJ wrote:
If people can't borrow money, houses and assets are going to become cheaper, and eventually it will become stable. Not bad me thinks.
Also, good luck saving up that much money while paying rent.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
Again, if the construction companies aren't buying materials, supply and demand. Its a chain.
I'm failing to understand why you would want to wipe out the entire construction industry by getting rid of credit. Where is the benefit?Adams_BJ wrote:
Again, if the construction companies aren't buying materials, supply and demand. Its a chain.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
And that goes all the way back to peoples wages.Adams_BJ wrote:
Again, if the construction companies aren't buying materials, supply and demand. Its a chain.
So the 100k houses now are too expensive for people earning $2 an hour, and the rich are the only ones buying stuff again.
Thank you. I was getting to thatDrunkFace wrote:
And that goes all the way back to peoples wages.Adams_BJ wrote:
Again, if the construction companies aren't buying materials, supply and demand. Its a chain.
So the 100k houses now are too expensive for people earning $2 an hour, and the rich are the only ones buying stuff again.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
You know I was gonna put that in my last post. I was like awe yeah, 19th century all over. But then why do people still need to be in the state of mind that we have now that houses are all expensive. Sure they cost money, but they don't need to cost that much money.
The market dictates their price. If they are too expensive they don't sell. If they are too cheap they sell quickly but the seller loses out on money. The goal of any business is to make a profit. If there was no profit in building houses, far less people would build them and demand would far outstrip supply raising prices anyway. In essence, the more profit that the construction companies smell in the market, the more construction companies will form and eventually they will lower prices via overcompetition and creating more supply than demand. This is one reason that the housing crisis occurred. They built far far more houses than were needed by the market and prices across the board crashed.Adams_BJ wrote:
You know I was gonna put that in my last post. I was like awe yeah, 19th century all over. But then why do people still need to be in the state of mind that we have now that houses are all expensive. Sure they cost money, but they don't need to cost that much money.
So, what I am politely trying to say is that your thinking is backwards and you should look at it from another angle.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
Supply and demand.
There are over 6 billion people on this planet and only so many nice places to live. People pay a premium for those places. Go live in a shit hole and property is next to nothing.
There are over 6 billion people on this planet and only so many nice places to live. People pay a premium for those places. Go live in a shit hole and property is next to nothing.
I am not hiding it, I am right and YOU are wrong.mcminty wrote:
Ah huh.. Then don't hide behind your veil of "I'm right and you are wrong", and bloody enlighten me as to the other potantial employers of aircraft mechanics.lowing wrote:
You assume, that the only job for aircraft mechanics are with the airlines. This only PROVES beyond a shadow of a doubt that neither one of you know a damn thing about our profession or what you are talking about..
I do not need to waste my time proving your stupidity by listing the obvious. If you have no idea that aircraft exist in other functions or applications outside the airline industry then I think you are too far gone even to bother with.
You actually think there is no chance that there could be circumstances in the future that would reduce the usefulness of an airline mechanic to society and hence the marketability of one's skills portfolio?lowing wrote:
Well it is a good thing reality is not a requirement in your argumentsSpark wrote:
Your post is mostly irrelevant as it is the MARKET that decides whether a profession is needed or not. If no one is flying aircraft then I don't think anyone will really care how precise an aircraft engineer you really are.lowing wrote:
Ya think so? Still waiting for you to tell me what there is about our profession tyo look down upon. what would your problem be with a person whose job it is to make sure an aircraft is legal and safe to fly by measurements where the tolerances are measured to within 1 thousandths of an inch?
If you have ever flown dilbert, on behalf of the profession, you are welcome.
Wow.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
Boeing uses standard, the engine manufactures uses standardReciprocity wrote:
Are modern engines and airframes still assembled with standard fasteners? The nice thing about modern cars and light trucks is they're all metric. I hardly use my standard tools anymore.lowing wrote:
Inches vs metric, tell it to Boeing not me. They seem to be doing just fine with it.
I haven't touched an Airbus in years, but I do not remember using metric on them in the states. Maybe someone with Airbus experience can help field that one.
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Nope. Aviation in the states makes no distinction between an airframe and powerplant mechanic and the airframes and powerplants they work on.Spark wrote:
You actually think there is no chance that there could be circumstances in the future that would reduce the usefulness of an airline mechanic to society and hence the marketability of one's skills portfolio?lowing wrote:
Well it is a good thing reality is not a requirement in your argumentsSpark wrote:
Your post is mostly irrelevant as it is the MARKET that decides whether a profession is needed or not. If no one is flying aircraft then I don't think anyone will really care how precise an aircraft engineer you really are.
Wow.
With the same license I can work on helicopters, small general aviation aircraft, corporate jets, airliners, seaplanes, etc....and I have.
The key in being a licensed mechanic is that marketablity comes into play even if you are lacking experience on any of the aircraft listed.
Personality, references, adaptablity, work ethic, trainability etc are all factors that comes into play when looking for a job. Ask anyone else who is an aircraft mechanic. Aviation as huge as it is, is a small world. Your reputation ( marketability) carries more wieght on the decision to hire you as your experience does.
Mechanics that get hired are well known by someone within that company before they walk through the door. Someone on the inside has been asked if the guy in question is a good guy or not, he is then given a thumbs up or a thumbs down. You are hired or you are not. Marketablity.
I will also add that aircraft mechanics are desired in other areas outside of aviation. For example Disney Land etc. hires aircraft mechanics to work on their rides since they are mainly hydraulic and pnuematic systems.
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Okay... what I meant was a situation where there is no aircraft industry (or at least a greatly reduced one) - are you all going to go into other jobs? WILL you be able to get as good a job as you were previously?
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
Try to keep your argument within the realms of reality will you please. There will nevr be a world without aircraft. I suppose you could also argue that what if no one ever got sick ever again and docotrs were never needed. It just isn't going to happen.Spark wrote:
Okay... what I meant was a situation where there is no aircraft industry (or at least a greatly reduced one) - are you all going to go into other jobs? WILL you be able to get as good a job as you were previously?
and yes if it is mechanical an aircraft mechanic is a strong candidate. Already gave an example.
Maybe no aircraft is a bit extreme but surely you can imagine a world with less of an aircraft industry than otherwise?lowing wrote:
Try to keep your argument within the realms of reality will you please. There will nevr be a world without aircraft. I suppose you could also argue that what if no one ever got sick ever again and docotrs were never needed. It just isn't going to happen.Spark wrote:
Okay... what I meant was a situation where there is no aircraft industry (or at least a greatly reduced one) - are you all going to go into other jobs? WILL you be able to get as good a job as you were previously?
and yes if it is mechanical an aircraft mechanic is a strong candidate. Already gave an example.
I don't see why we're getting away from the point that what is marketable depends very much on what is wanted by the market, and that can change over time.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
Here in Aus we are finding our aircraft maintenance industry is being taken away by the far east.
Aircraft are mobile things - how would it be if the major US carriers decided to get their maintenance done in china - where labour costs are 20% of the US?
Reckon there would be a few unemployed mechanics?
Aircraft are mobile things - how would it be if the major US carriers decided to get their maintenance done in china - where labour costs are 20% of the US?
Reckon there would be a few unemployed mechanics?
Fuck Israel
I reckon there would be a lot more aircraft falling out of the skyDilbert_X wrote:
Here in Aus we are finding our aircraft maintenance industry is being taken away by the far east.
Aircraft are mobile things - how would it be if the major US carriers decided to get their maintenance done in china - where labour costs are 20% of the US?
Reckon there would be a few unemployed mechanics?
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
I don't doubt you're right, OTOH aircraft maintenance isn't exactly infallible as it is.I reckon there would be a lot more aircraft falling out of the sky
Having said that don't underestimate the chinese ability to learn and improve.
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Fuck Israel
I don't have much respect for their ability to think on their own or to see the big picture. You're talking about a peasant that has been taught his entire life not to think. Sure, learning to tighten a bolt a certain way is easy but to grasp how that bolt fits into the overall picture and how it effects other parts in the plane would be rather difficult for them I imagine.Dilbert_X wrote:
I don't doubt you're right, OTOH aircraft maintenance isn't exactly infallible as it is.I reckon there would be a lot more aircraft falling out of the sky
Having said that don't underestimate the chinese ability to learn and improve.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
Nope, a persons marketablity spans several factors, as has been shown several times.Spark wrote:
Maybe no aircraft is a bit extreme but surely you can imagine a world with less of an aircraft industry than otherwise?lowing wrote:
Try to keep your argument within the realms of reality will you please. There will nevr be a world without aircraft. I suppose you could also argue that what if no one ever got sick ever again and docotrs were never needed. It just isn't going to happen.Spark wrote:
Okay... what I meant was a situation where there is no aircraft industry (or at least a greatly reduced one) - are you all going to go into other jobs? WILL you be able to get as good a job as you were previously?
and yes if it is mechanical an aircraft mechanic is a strong candidate. Already gave an example.
I don't see why we're getting away from the point that what is marketable depends very much on what is wanted by the market, and that can change over time.
You don't know much about the Chinese.JohnG@lt wrote:
You're talking about a peasant that has been taught his entire life not to think.
They have an elite who have been educated well and sent to western universities over the past 20-30 years.
Even at lower levels they are well educated.
Strange, I'd say a nation with 5,10,20,50 and 100 yr plans has people who can see the big picture.I don't have much respect for their ability to think on their own or to see the big picture.
In less than a decade they've wiped out western manufacturing.
Who is missing the big picture now?
I think you severely underestimate them, same as the US underestimated the Japanese.
With GM, Chrysler and Ford in the toilet Toyota is number one.
US arrogance and complacency thoroughly whupped by little yellow guys.
The chinese will do it again.
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Fuck Israel
You're confusing personal reputation and contacts with marketability.lowing wrote:
Mechanics that get hired are well known by someone within that company before they walk through the door. Someone on the inside has been asked if the guy in question is a good guy or not, he is then given a thumbs up or a thumbs down. You are hired or you are not. Marketablity.
They're two totally different things.
Fuck Israel
sorry to burst your bubble but no they are not.Dilbert_X wrote:
You're confusing personal reputation and contacts with marketability.lowing wrote:
Mechanics that get hired are well known by someone within that company before they walk through the door. Someone on the inside has been asked if the guy in question is a good guy or not, he is then given a thumbs up or a thumbs down. You are hired or you are not. Marketablity.
They're two totally different things.
Your reputation goes DIRECTLY toward your marketablity.
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