Harmor
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In Canada, a move toward a private healthcare option

LA Times wrote:

In British Columbia, private clinics and surgical centers are capitalizing on patients who might otherwise pay for faster treatment in the U.S. The courts will consider their legality next month.

Reporting from Vancouver, Canada -  When the pain in Christina Woodkey's legs became so severe that she could no long hike or cross-country ski, she went to her local health clinic. The Calgary, Canada, resident was told she'd need to see a hip specialist. Because the problem was not life-threatening, however, she'd have to wait about a year.

...

So this month, she drove across the border into Montana and got the $50,000 surgery done in two days.

"I don't have insurance. We're not allowed to have private health insurance in Canada," Woodkey said. "It's not going to be easy to come up with the money. But I'm happy to say the pain is almost all gone."
Looks like while the United States is going towards public option...the Canada is going towards a private option.
Mekstizzle
WALKER
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Becuase one person who wants to fix her legs so she can go hiking and skiing means that Canada is moving towards a private option
AussieReaper
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Harmor wrote:

Looks like while the United States is going towards public option...the Canada is going towards a private option.
It just needs to be balanced between what the public want.
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FEOS
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Mekstizzle wrote:

Becuase one person who wants to fix her legs so she can go hiking and skiing means that Canada is moving towards a private option
Because one person didn't get the care they needed in the US means the whole country needs to go to a public option.
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Flecco
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AussieReaper wrote:

Harmor wrote:

Looks like while the United States is going towards public option...the Canada is going towards a private option.
It just needs to be balanced between what the public want.
Are you suggesting something like our system?
Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.
Burwhale
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Not allowed to have private health cover i nCanada. That does suprise me. Sounds like they need a hybrid system.

Feos wrote:

Because one person didn't get the care they needed in the US means the whole country needs to go to a public option.
To be fair, I think "more than one person" didnt get the care they needed in the US. Thats why the whole debate has arisen.
FEOS
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Burwhale wrote:

Not allowed to have private health cover i nCanada. That does suprise me. Sounds like they need a hybrid system.

Feos wrote:

Because one person didn't get the care they needed in the US means the whole country needs to go to a public option.
To be fair, I think "more than one person" didnt get the care they needed in the US. Thats why the whole debate has arisen.
To be fair, "more than one person" hasn't gotten the care they needed in Canada. That's the point I was making and why I chose that comparison.
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Burwhale
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Actually I just checked some facts. You are allowed to have private health cover in Canada. See WIKI

wiki wrote:

Some 65% of Canadians have some form of supplementary private health insurance; many of them receive it through their employers. There are also large private entities that can buy priority access to medical services in Canada, such as WCB in BC.

The Canadian system is for the most part publicly funded, yet most of the services are provided by private enterprises. Most doctors do not receive an annual salary, but receive a fee per visit or service. According to Dr. Albert Schumacher, former president of the Canadian Medical Association, an estimated 75 percent of Canadian health care services are delivered privately, but funded publicly.
Sounds a bit similar to Australias.
Winston_Churchill
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Of course private health cover is legal, how could it not be?

Whats not allowed is private hospitals and the like.  Even though if you're rich enough there are always ways around it.
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Burwhale wrote:

Actually I just checked some facts. You are allowed to have private health cover in Canada. See WIKI

wiki wrote:

Some 65% of Canadians have some form of supplementary private health insurance; many of them receive it through their employers. There are also large private entities that can buy priority access to medical services in Canada, such as WCB in BC.

The Canadian system is for the most part publicly funded, yet most of the services are provided by private enterprises. Most doctors do not receive an annual salary, but receive a fee per visit or service. According to Dr. Albert Schumacher, former president of the Canadian Medical Association, an estimated 75 percent of Canadian health care services are delivered privately, but funded publicly.
Sounds a bit similar to Australias.
The supplementary part is often work related insurance, if you injure yourself at work and gets disabled ...
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Burwhale
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Winston Churchill wrote:

Of course private health cover is legal, how could it not be?

Whats not allowed is private hospitals and the like.  Even though if you're rich enough there are always ways around it.
Below is what I was referring to. I must admit, I thought it sounded like a falsehood .

Article in Harmors post wrote:

"I don't have insurance. We're not allowed to have private health insurance in Canada,"
Jay
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Mekstizzle wrote:

Becuase one person who wants to fix her legs so she can go hiking and skiing means that Canada is moving towards a private option
She's far from the only person. Hospitals in Toronto routinely send patients to Buffalo, NY to get MRI's and other things their own hospitals can't provide. People cross the border into the US every day in order to avoid months of waiting. Sorry, but them's the facts.
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Mekstizzle wrote:

Becuase one person who wants to fix her legs so she can go hiking and skiing means that Canada is moving towards a private option
How when it's this person?
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Mekstizzle
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FEOS wrote:

Mekstizzle wrote:

Becuase one person who wants to fix her legs so she can go hiking and skiing means that Canada is moving towards a private option
Because one person didn't get the care they needed in the US means the whole country needs to go to a public option.
No, he's saying that Canada are moving towards a private healthcare option whilst the US is moving to a public one. That doesn't make any sense. This shit must have been going on ever since Canada had its healthcare system and the US its. It's not suddenly now, when it becomes convenient for certain people in the US, that the Canadian population is amazingly moving towards private healthcare. That's just stupid.

Is it really surprising that people look elsewhere to get non essential treatment or faster treatment and are willing to pay more for it. Wouldn't that be exactly the same under a private system. You would pay more for a better insurance plan. Just like with cars.
Jay
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DBBrinson1 wrote:

Mekstizzle wrote:

Becuase one person who wants to fix her legs so she can go hiking and skiing means that Canada is moving towards a private option
How when it's this person?
http://www.brianday.ca/
Looks like 68% to me!
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FEOS
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Mekstizzle wrote:

FEOS wrote:

Mekstizzle wrote:

Becuase one person who wants to fix her legs so she can go hiking and skiing means that Canada is moving towards a private option
Because one person didn't get the care they needed in the US means the whole country needs to go to a public option.
No, he's saying that Canada are moving towards a private healthcare option whilst the US is moving to a public one. That doesn't make any sense. This shit must have been going on ever since Canada had its healthcare system and the US its. It's not suddenly now, when it becomes convenient for certain people in the US, that the Canadian population is amazingly moving towards private healthcare. That's just stupid.

Is it really surprising that people look elsewhere to get non essential treatment or faster treatment and are willing to pay more for it. Wouldn't that be exactly the same under a private system. You would pay more for a better insurance plan. Just like with cars.
I was being ironic. Similar logical fallacies are being used by the left here to scare people into accepting unsustainable, moronic reform options.

People are using singular examples to attempt to show how the entire system is broken in the US, when the majority of people here are happy with the health care they receive. The dichotomy is that the majority here also believe that some reform is needed...but that the reform being offered by the current Administration is not the reform we need.

There are aspects of Canadian healthcare that are better than ours (like prescription drugs). There are aspects of ours that are better than Canada's (like access to expensive tests and procedures).
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Cybargs
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Harmor wrote:

Found on http://www.michaelsavage.wnd.com/

In Canada, a move toward a private healthcare option

LA Times wrote:

In British Columbia, private clinics and surgical centers are capitalizing on patients who might otherwise pay for faster treatment in the U.S. The courts will consider their legality next month.

Reporting from Vancouver, Canada -  When the pain in Christina Woodkey's legs became so severe that she could no long hike or cross-country ski, she went to her local health clinic. The Calgary, Canada, resident was told she'd need to see a hip specialist. Because the problem was not life-threatening, however, she'd have to wait about a year.

...

So this month, she drove across the border into Montana and got the $50,000 surgery done in two days.

"I don't have insurance. We're not allowed to have private health insurance in Canada," Woodkey said. "It's not going to be easy to come up with the money. But I'm happy to say the pain is almost all gone."
Looks like while the United States is going towards public option...the Canada is going towards a private option.
Rise of conservative Asian immigration. We all know how the Chinese and Viets feel about gov control...

Some of these cases are quite isolated and it is a hasty generalization to come up with conclusions about how terrible health care is in Canada.

I agree FEOS that a lot of shit in the US about health care is a logical fallacy... But once I start seeing people in Canada protesting in the streets about having a private option. In the US however, there is a strong debate between a public and private system.

Remember FEOS, US companies will give hospital funding if they contribute to certain drug trial tests, allowing them to buy expensive medical equipment.
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TheDonkey
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Winston_Churchill wrote:

Of course private health cover is legal, how could it not be?

Whats not allowed is private hospitals and the like.  Even though if you're rich enough there are always ways around it.
Really? I swear I've seen a private hospital/long stay clinic or something of that matter a while back. Next time I'm in the area, I'll check.
Mekstizzle
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Cybargs wrote:

Harmor wrote:

Found on http://www.michaelsavage.wnd.com/

In Canada, a move toward a private healthcare option

LA Times wrote:

In British Columbia, private clinics and surgical centers are capitalizing on patients who might otherwise pay for faster treatment in the U.S. The courts will consider their legality next month.

Reporting from Vancouver, Canada -  When the pain in Christina Woodkey's legs became so severe that she could no long hike or cross-country ski, she went to her local health clinic. The Calgary, Canada, resident was told she'd need to see a hip specialist. Because the problem was not life-threatening, however, she'd have to wait about a year.

...

So this month, she drove across the border into Montana and got the $50,000 surgery done in two days.

"I don't have insurance. We're not allowed to have private health insurance in Canada," Woodkey said. "It's not going to be easy to come up with the money. But I'm happy to say the pain is almost all gone."
Looks like while the United States is going towards public option...the Canada is going towards a private option.
Rise of conservative Asian immigration. We all know how the Chinese and Viets feel about gov control...
lol really? Is that why both of those countries had a Communist war, in which the Communists won outright and are still in power to this day. Or is that what you were trying to say...
Cybargs
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Mekstizzle wrote:

Cybargs wrote:

Harmor wrote:

Found on http://www.michaelsavage.wnd.com/

In Canada, a move toward a private healthcare option


Looks like while the United States is going towards public option...the Canada is going towards a private option.
Rise of conservative Asian immigration. We all know how the Chinese and Viets feel about gov control...
lol really? Is that why both of those countries had a Communist war, in which the Communists won outright and are still in power to this day. Or is that what you were trying to say...
Business mind set, nothing to do with ideologies.
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lol first I've heard of it.... Love these stories about Canadians  having to wait for surgery, and running to the states to make everything better... As I have said before 4 surgery's down and the only one I had to wait for was the one I wanted to wait for.
Cybargs
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Nic wrote:

lol first I've heard of it.... Love these stories about Canadians  having to wait for surgery, and running to the states to make everything better... As I have said before 4 surgery's down and the only one I had to wait for was the one I wanted to wait for.
See, we even have a Canadian here to deny these claims.

It's just isolated stories to give more reasons to keep private healthcare. Even with the most perfect system someone will complain.
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Didn't want to start another thread about govt healthcare.... so i'm posting here
"States Show How Not To Fix Health Care"
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"Since the debate over the government takeover of medical care exploded onto the national stage, advocates of market-based, patient-centered reforms have pointed to the failed government health care systems of Canada and the U.K. as examples of what America should not replicate.

And rightfully so. Democrat proposals have duplicated many components of these systems, creating frighteningly similar base lines here to these unsuccessful foreign models of "universal" coverage.

Yet we don't need to peer over borders and across oceans to find government health care that does not work; indeed, we have examples here in our United States.

Hawaii, Oregon, Massachusetts, Tennessee and Maine have all created some version of government takeover or administration of health care, and all are a mess.

Hawaii's Prepaid Healthcare Act and its coverage mandates have left Hawaiians with fewer coverage choices, higher costs and nearly double the number of uninsured. Recent budget cuts resulted in discontinuation of its coverage for children.

Oregon's state-controlled care includes an official list that dictates what treatments will be covered based on annual budget constraints. If your disease is above the treatment line, you are covered. Below the line — you're not.

However, patients being denied treatment often receive an additional note in their denial letters — the system telling them it will pay for "physician aid in dying." Oregon won't help you live, but it will help you die.

In the three years since the Massachusetts "universal" coverage plan was launched, the state still has thousands of uninsured, costs have exploded to unsustainable levels, and waiting lists for treatments have appeared.

Tennessee's "TennCare" program, an attempt to expand coverage to low-income uninsured, included dead people, escaped felons and NBA stars. It drove doctors and insurers out of the state, and has been on the brink of insolvency several times.

Tennessee's Democrat governor, Phil Bredesen, recently went to Washington, D.C., to explain to Congress that government health care does not lower cost.

But perhaps the worst — and closest — example of why a federal takeover of health care won't work comes from Maine.

The name of Maine's government-run universal health care plan "Dirigo Health" is derived from the state's motto — "to lead." Fitting, as this failed attempt at government health care has led its people right off a cliff.

Maine's universal coverage plan is most similar to the plans circulating on Capitol Hill. It was proposed in May 2003 by Democrat Gov. John Baldacci and passed a scant four weeks later. Much like the $787 billion federal "stimulus" plan that passed Congress in February of this year, nobody read the Dirigo plan either.
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We need to fix what we have... not let these buffoons of both parties make things worse...

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