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2009-09-28 15:38:04
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6888|132 and Bush

President Obama's disclosure that Iran has been building a secret uranium enrichment plant underscores a truism in foreign policy: Harsh reality trumps good intentions. Obama says the plant is further evidence of an Iranian nuclear weapons program, and he promises to push even harder for sanctions against the Tehran regime. Administration officials say that, at a special conference in Geneva Thursday, the Iranians will have another chance to prove that they are not building such weapons or to agree to stop such a program. But, with Iran having just completed more missile tests as a defiant gesture, few are expecting conciliation.
President Obama said the international community has put Iran on notice with its response to the revelation that the Islamic regime has been secretly building a nuclear facility.
Iran answers by launching more missiles. .. so despite countless rumors of a GWB led invasion it looks like the left is going to have to deal with their own "putting Iran on notice".

More from the West: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8279616.stm
"We call on Iran to choose the path of cooperation rather than confrontation, by immediately ceasing these deeply destabilising activities,'' the French foreign ministry said after Iran fired the missiles it said could hit arch-foe Israel.

"These tests are a provocation, especially since we have made repeated offers of dialogue,'' foreign ministry spokeswoman Christine Fages told journalists.

Paris said the tests would heighten concern after it was revealed last week that Iran was building a second uranium enrichment plant.

British Foreign Secretary David Miliband called the tests "reprehensible'' but said they should not distract attention from the talks.

"t is obviously reprehensible as such but it mustn't distract us from the big question of this week, which is how will Iran respond at the meeting with the international community on Thursday?'' he told Sky News television.

Germany said the tests were "troubling'' ahead of the talks.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
2009-09-28 15:45:52
Red Forman
Banned
+402|5687
something about unclenching your fist or something....

seems campaign mode is different than real world eh?
2009-09-28 16:14:16
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6816|Global Command
War with Iran became all but certain when the uprising there failed
2009-09-28 16:16:46
Red Forman
Banned
+402|5687

ATG wrote:

War with Iran became all but certain when the uprising there failed
i dont agree.  i think because he had to stuff the ballot, pressure and sanctions might actually work.  that is, if the UN can actually do it correctly.
2009-09-28 17:16:58
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,817|6393|eXtreme to the maX
War with Iran became all but certain when the uprising there failed
Oh for gods sake.
The US has not one single reason to fight a war with Iran.
Fuck Israel
2009-09-28 17:33:16
Ty
Mass Media Casualty
+2,398|7062|Noizyland

Red Forman wrote:

ATG wrote:

War with Iran became all but certain when the uprising there failed
i dont agree.  i think because he had to stuff the ballot, pressure and sanctions might actually work.  that is, if the UN can actually do it correctly.
Depressing thought: When was the last the the UN did anything correctly?

I don't think the US has a reason to fight a war with Iran, Iran is not threatening the United States. Israel might feel differently though and if it comes down to it Israel is more than capable of fighting their own fight. Good thing too, US armed forces are overextended enough as it is.
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2009-09-28 17:35:10
AussieReaper
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
+5,761|6440|what

Dilbert_X wrote:

War with Iran became all but certain when the uprising there failed
Oh for gods sake.
The US has not one single reason to fight a war with Iran.
That they didn't finish the job last time is all the reason some people have...
https://i.imgur.com/maVpUMN.png
2009-09-28 18:05:17
S.Lythberg
Mastermind
+429|6734|Chicago, IL
I guess the dems have to learn the hard way that hugs and smiles don't always work...
2009-09-28 18:10:18
Ty
Mass Media Casualty
+2,398|7062|Noizyland

Maybe so but better to at least try hugs and smiles before starting wars on false pretences.
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2009-09-28 18:11:10
Red Forman
Banned
+402|5687

Ty wrote:

Maybe so but better to at least try hugs and smiles before starting wars on false pretences.
not wise to compare one thing to another
2009-09-28 18:15:05
Reciprocity
Member
+721|6868|the dank(super) side of Oregon

S.Lythberg wrote:

I guess the dems have to learn the hard way that hugs and smiles don't always work...
yeah, fuck all this talkin' 'n' shit.  let's start another pointless unending war with little brown people.  diplomacy is french for queer talk.
2009-09-28 18:17:40
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6816|Global Command

Ty wrote:

Red Forman wrote:

ATG wrote:

War with Iran became all but certain when the uprising there failed
i dont agree.  i think because he had to stuff the ballot, pressure and sanctions might actually work.  that is, if the UN can actually do it correctly.
Depressing thought: When was the last the the UN did anything correctly?

I don't think the US has a reason to fight a war with Iran, Iran is not threatening the United States. Israel might feel differently though and if it comes down to it Israel is more than capable of fighting their own fight. Good thing too, US armed forces are overextended enough as it is.
They threaten to shut the Straits of Hormuz constantly.
They were assisting the resistance in Iraq and building devices that killed our soldiers.
They openly say that Israel should be wiped off the map.
They have a history of violations of international arms laws and treaties.
They have a fanatical leadership that believes in a Biblical clash with the West and dooms day rewards.


But, lets face it, war is good for big business.

Therefor, it is inevitable, considering the fact that the oil barons, arms peddlers and banker whores will all profit from such a war, and they own our politicians. This much more than ideology or moral considerations is what drives all large conflicts.
2009-09-28 18:18:53
S.Lythberg
Mastermind
+429|6734|Chicago, IL

Reciprocity wrote:

S.Lythberg wrote:

I guess the dems have to learn the hard way that hugs and smiles don't always work...
yeah, fuck all this talkin' 'n' shit.  let's start another pointless unending war with little brown people.  diplomacy is french for queer talk.
2009-09-28 18:19:26
-Whiteroom-
Pineapplewhat
+572|6946|BC, Canada

S.Lythberg wrote:

I guess the dems have to learn the hard way that hugs and smiles don't always work...
And apparently reps. have to learn the hard way that wars dont always work.... if you really want to make it a rep dem thing.
2009-09-28 18:22:17
S.Lythberg
Mastermind
+429|6734|Chicago, IL

Nic wrote:

S.Lythberg wrote:

I guess the dems have to learn the hard way that hugs and smiles don't always work...
And apparently reps. have to learn the hard way that wars dont always work.... if you really want to make it a rep dem thing.
No, it needs to be an in between thing, the two party system in this country needs to change.  Jumping into war is stupid, but negotiations won't always get the job done either.
2009-09-28 18:27:39
Reciprocity
Member
+721|6868|the dank(super) side of Oregon

ATG wrote:

They threaten to shut the Straits of Hormuz constantly.
They were assisting the resistance in Iraq and building devices that killed our soldiers.
They openly say that Israel should be wiped off the map.
They have a history of violations of international arms laws and treaties.
They have a fanatical leadership that believes in a Biblical clash with the West and dooms day rewards.
and those are all great reasons to kill people.  the problem is, how would Iran be any different than iraq and afghanistan?  We'll do a good job of clearing the way for insurgents, install a weak, currupt government, any iranian worth a damn will be dead or fleeing to turkey, and well be stuck policing another hostile population.

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2009-09-28 18:29:31
S3v3N
lolwut?
+685|6805|Montucky

Nic wrote:

S.Lythberg wrote:

I guess the dems have to learn the hard way that hugs and smiles don't always work...
And apparently reps. have to learn the hard way that wars dont always work.... if you really want to make it a rep dem thing.
So apperently you don't need congressional approval to start a war.. its just a Rep or a Dem thing..
2009-09-28 18:32:17
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6816|Global Command

Reciprocity wrote:

ATG wrote:

They threaten to shut the Straits of Hormuz constantly.
They were assisting the resistance in Iraq and building devices that killed our soldiers.
They openly say that Israel should be wiped off the map.
They have a history of violations of international arms laws and treaties.
They have a fanatical leadership that believes in a Biblical clash with the West and dooms day rewards.
and those are all great reasons to kill people.  the problem is, how would Iran be any different than iraq and afghanistan?  We'll do a good job of clearing the way for insurgents, install a weak, currupt government, any iranian worth a damn will be dead or fleeing to turkey, and well be stuck policing another hostile population.
I think we need to redraw the borders again, the way GB did after WW1.

We all agree the ME is a mess.
2009-09-28 18:32:34
S.Lythberg
Mastermind
+429|6734|Chicago, IL

S3v3N wrote:

Nic wrote:

S.Lythberg wrote:

I guess the dems have to learn the hard way that hugs and smiles don't always work...
And apparently reps. have to learn the hard way that wars dont always work.... if you really want to make it a rep dem thing.
So apperently you don't need congressional approval to start a war.. its just a Rep or a Dem thing..
I love how everyone who voted for the war jumped on the anti-bush bandwagon once it turned sour.  No accountability in this country, just a lot of finger pointing.
2009-09-28 18:33:57
Ty
Mass Media Casualty
+2,398|7062|Noizyland

ATG wrote:

Ty wrote:

Red Forman wrote:

i dont agree.  i think because he had to stuff the ballot, pressure and sanctions might actually work.  that is, if the UN can actually do it correctly.
Depressing thought: When was the last the the UN did anything correctly?

I don't think the US has a reason to fight a war with Iran, Iran is not threatening the United States. Israel might feel differently though and if it comes down to it Israel is more than capable of fighting their own fight. Good thing too, US armed forces are overextended enough as it is.
They threaten to shut the Straits of Hormuz constantly.
They were assisting the resistance in Iraq and building devices that killed our soldiers.
They openly say that Israel should be wiped off the map.
They have a history of violations of international arms laws and treaties.
They have a fanatical leadership that believes in a Biblical clash with the West and dooms day rewards.


But, lets face it, war is good for big business.

Therefor, it is inevitable, considering the fact that the oil barons, arms peddlers and banker whores will all profit from such a war, and they own our politicians. This much more than ideology or moral considerations is what drives all large conflicts.
You may be right, but the United State's ability to declare war is fairly limited at the moment. Corporations may want it but that mans diddly squat if declaring war is a near impossibility with the armed forces currently being tied up elsewhere.

The reasons you've given aren't enough for the US to declare war on Iran, even the fact that there were people in Iran who helped Iraqi resistance, (there were people in Saudi Arabia and Pakistan who helped comitt the 9/11 attacks but even that wasn't enough to start a war.) The whole Biblical war on the West thing - we'll you're right, there are a lot of crazies with chief Iminadinnerjacket being the Big Cheese but he doesn't enjoy popular support nor does he posess the capabilities to attack the west. It's not an impossibility that the US would start another preventive war, (oxymoron,) but I don't see it as likely. Yet.
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2009-09-28 18:36:01
S3v3N
lolwut?
+685|6805|Montucky

S.Lythberg wrote:

S3v3N wrote:

Nic wrote:

And apparently reps. have to learn the hard way that wars dont always work.... if you really want to make it a rep dem thing.
So apperently you don't need congressional approval to start a war.. its just a Rep or a Dem thing..
I love how everyone who voted for the war jumped on the anti-bush bandwagon once it turned sour.  No accountability in this country, just a lot of finger pointing.
eh gad.

We the people didn't vote for a war.  You don't get a special ballot in the mail that says Check Yes or No for War with _______.

100 idiots in a big building get to do that.

(unless you're talking about Congressmen that jumped on the anti-bush bangwagon.)

I'm half drunk.

Last edited by S3v3N (2009-09-28 18:36:50)

2009-09-28 18:41:12
Diesel_dyk
Object in mirror will feel larger than it appears
+178|6281|Truthistan
Looks like the right approach is being taken on Iran right now.

We've got the support of the Europeans and the Russians. Every time Akam"I'm a dumb ass" does anything he just looks crazier and crazier. Now he's shooting off missiles like the other nut case Kim Jong il. The reason why its working is because PBO looks really reasonable and no European politician is going to lose face by backing a loon... see it worked the other way round when the US looked like it had a loon running the country. No politician (except Blare, where the Brits owed us for the Falklands) wanted to be caught backing the US. Its subtle and it gets lost on or ignored by the PBO haters.

I for one am glad we're taking the cheaper solution on this one... nothing like blowing another trillion dollars out your ass because you wanna walk like a cowboy. And at least we're not going to get the pitch of a lying door to door salesman on this one.... After all we've learned a bit since the run up to the Iraq war and it goes like this.

[youtubehq](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKgPY1adc0A)[/youtubehq]

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2009-09-28 18:41:31
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6888|132 and Bush

ATG wrote:

Therefor, it is inevitable, considering the fact that the oil barons, arms peddlers and banker whores will all profit from such a war, and they own our politicians. This much more than ideology or moral considerations is what drives all large conflicts.
The amount of money our government is now giving for technologies that will eventually kill the oil industry as it stands is amazing. That is directly against the usual blood for oil rhetoric.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
2009-09-28 18:41:49
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6816|Global Command
I just believe that national interest have been superceeded by corporate interests, and because of that America is doomed to be engaged in endless wars.

You gotta remember; both Hugo Chavez and Iminadinnerjacket ( who is not the big cheese, but a spokeshole ) and the governments they claim to lead will see their revenues increase when oil goes to $200.00 a barrel when war breaks out.

I am so cynical I believe that assholes from our nation get together with other assholes from other nations and agree to have controlled low level conflicts that keep the bulk of the masses in fear, paranoia and poverty. 


That is why there is a need for a World Wide Revolution.


It will happen. It may be ten years, or five hundred years from now. But, eventually there will be a one world government for the people, by the people and of the people that curtails mass murder for the sake of profit.


That's all modern conflicts are.
2009-09-28 18:48:02
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5645|London, England

ATG wrote:

I just believe that national interest have been superceeded by corporate interests, and because of that America is doomed to be engaged in endless wars.

You gotta remember; both Hugo Chavez and Iminadinnerjacket ( who is not the big cheese, but a spokeshole ) and the governments they claim to lead will see their revenues increase when oil goes to $200.00 a barrel when war breaks out.

I am so cynical I believe that assholes from our nation get together with other assholes from other nations and agree to have controlled low level conflicts that keep the bulk of the masses in fear, paranoia and poverty. 


That is why there is a need for a World Wide Revolution.


It will happen. It may be ten years, or five hundred years from now. But, eventually there will be a one world government for the people, by the people and of the people that curtails mass murder for the sake of profit.


That's all modern conflicts are.
One world government... Yikes. Let me guess, a representative democracy where everyone gets along and butterflies flap in the breeze every time an angel gets its wings? Yes, I want to live in a world where I have no choice of the type of government I wish to live under. I want to live in a world where if indeed it is democracy, my vote counts for nothing against the billions of idiots which inhabit this planet. I wish to live in a world that WILL entrench the rich and powerful and create a permanent aristocracy. I wish for all these things.

"Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely"

Or an even better quote since you seem to be embracing 1984:

George Orwell wrote:

‘The Party seeks power entirely for its own sake. We are not interested in the good of others; we are interested solely in power. Not wealth or luxury or long life or happiness: only power, pure power. What pure power means you will understand presently. We are different from all the oligarchies of the past, in that we know what we are doing. All the others, even those who resembled ourselves, were cowards and hypocrites. The German Nazis and the Russian Communists came very close to us in their methods, but they never had the courage to recognize their own motives. They pretended, perhaps they even believed, that they had seized power unwillingly and for a limited time, and that just round the corner there lay a paradise where human beings would be free and equal. We are not like that. We know that no one ever seizes power with the intention of relinquishing it. Power is not a means, it is an end. One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?’
And you wish to turn over all the power in the world to these people. Wake up.

Last edited by JohnG@lt (2009-09-28 19:08:13)

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

 

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