most of them live in cardboard boxes.SEREMAKER wrote:
some south american countries their banks do not do mortgages ............ pay for your house in full
Actually he isn't ... what's marketable today and seems safe doesn't need to be safe and marketable tomorrow ... some jobs like the one you have seems to be more safe than most others but still ... look outside your own box once in awhile lowing, we can't all be airplane mechanics ...lowing wrote:
Dilbert is fulla shit. Already explained why.JohnG@lt wrote:
Dilbert is correct.Dilbert_X wrote:
Duh it means you were marketable as a bolt installer, more so than the other guy you beat to get the bolt installing job.
Bullshit.
Your marketability depends as much on the state of the market as it does on you and your skillset.
Wait behind the line ..............................................................
Its funny, you're comfortable sneering at someone elses skillset and crowing about the probability that they'll have trouble getting another job.lowing wrote:
Why? I am employed, airplanes allllll over the world. I am marketable, or was that supposed to be some sort of insult? think of us mechanics next time you strap your ass to an airplane.
But someone sneers at your skillset and points out you could in the future struggle to get a job and you don't like it.
With climate change, peak oil, OPEC etc this could be your future buddy.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8186690.stm
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7261214.stmDilbert_X wrote:
Its funny, you're comfortable sneering at someone elses skillset and crowing about the probability that they'll have trouble getting another job.lowing wrote:
Why? I am employed, airplanes allllll over the world. I am marketable, or was that supposed to be some sort of insult? think of us mechanics next time you strap your ass to an airplane.
But someone sneers at your skillset and points out you could in the future struggle to get a job and you don't like it.
With climate change, peak oil, OPEC etc this could be your future buddy.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8186690.stm
But with shit economy, flights go down...
Oh it musta been then the "If you were 'personally responsible' you would never buy a house because of the uncontollable risk to your ability to repay the mortgage on it", that threw us.CameronPoe wrote:
You've got me wrong - you can have a responsible attitude when engaging in borrowing, there is no doubt about that.LividBovine wrote:
I would disagree with that statement. I feel you can be personally responsible and still purchase a home, even on credit. You have to take a lot of things into account though.CameronPoe wrote:
If you were 'personally responsible' you would never buy a house because of the uncontollable risk to your ability to repay the mortgage on it. You can't be personally responsible for things outside your own control!
Not too sure where you get this comment from about entitlement from my comment Cam, si I will waqit until you expalin it better before I blow it out of the water.CameronPoe wrote:
It's funny how you feel entitled to the savings of others to satisfy your personal needs, given your usual droning. You feel entitled to a house so you won't rent property - a perfectly feasible way of living within your means without relying on the charity of a bank - institutions the likes of which dish out my savings to all manner of people, from the most responsible right down to the most reckless on the basis of risk analysis, statistics and probabilities. And don't worry - I will be getting a mortgage when I feel that the time is right. I don't think you've quite gotten the hang of hypotheses yet.lowing wrote:
Ain't buying it. You could use that line of, factors beyond your control, bullshit for any aspect of life. Fact is, life happens, good and bad, and some are more responsible than others in dealing with it. I do suppose you could live in your "reality" where you must live in a box where you have control until you are what was it, 50? yeah, and you think I need to get a grip.
you're right Dilbert, I suppose the world could decide never to fly airplanes again and I would be out of a job. Ya got me there boy.Dilbert_X wrote:
You're marketable today, same as the bolt fitting guy.lowing wrote:
Why? I am employed, airplanes allllll over the world. I am marketable, or was that supposed to be some sort of insult? think of us mechanics next time you strap your ass to an airplane.
Tomorrow could be a different story, emission cuts come in, OPEC jack the price up, half of air travel ceases -> You're out of a job.Never said that, you're projecting your paranoid delusions about 'libruls' (which I'm not) onto me.What you seem to think is "magical" is that a person can act, say, do whatever they want, and still have a right to a fuckin' job.
Nope, you never siad that, but you do seem to think that you need nothing except bolt installer skills to land a job as a bolt installer. You seem to think that a company would rather haver your experienced ass, with a shitty personality, attitude or limited trainablity over a well rounded person who might fit into the company better and produce more and is more adaptable and trainable. Marketablility goes toward many factors over than skillset, so get over it.
actually it is reality. read upReciprocity wrote:
yeah, that's reality.lowing wrote:
"When you can't find a job", you shoulda become marketable in the first place.Reciprocity wrote:
when you can't find a job to cover your debt you're supposed to go back to school and get even further into debt. it's quite simple.
More to it than skillset, so yeah he is fulla shitVaregg wrote:
Actually he isn't ... what's marketable today and seems safe doesn't need to be safe and marketable tomorrow ... some jobs like the one you have seems to be more safe than most others but still ... look outside your own box once in awhile lowing, we can't all be airplane mechanics ...lowing wrote:
Dilbert is fulla shit. Already explained why.JohnG@lt wrote:
Dilbert is correct.
Problem is, there is nothing about being an aircraft mechanic to sneer at. As soon as you find something about it, that makes one a loser for being one, get back with me. Until then you are talking out of your ass about a profession you know absolutely nothing about.Dilbert_X wrote:
Its funny, you're comfortable sneering at someone elses skillset and crowing about the probability that they'll have trouble getting another job.lowing wrote:
Why? I am employed, airplanes allllll over the world. I am marketable, or was that supposed to be some sort of insult? think of us mechanics next time you strap your ass to an airplane.
But someone sneers at your skillset and points out you could in the future struggle to get a job and you don't like it.
With climate change, peak oil, OPEC etc this could be your future buddy.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8186690.stm
and as far as my job goes, get back with me when the world stop flying so you can see my concern
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From some peoples perspective there sure is.lowing wrote:
Problem is, there is nothing about being an aircraft mechanic to sneer at.
Its all relative.
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Ya think so? Still waiting for you to tell me what there is about our profession tyo look down upon. what would your problem be with a person whose job it is to make sure an aircraft is legal and safe to fly by measurements where the tolerances are measured to within 1 thousandths of an inch?Dilbert_X wrote:
From some peoples perspective there sure is.lowing wrote:
Problem is, there is nothing about being an aircraft mechanic to sneer at.
Its all relative.
If you have ever flown dilbert, on behalf of the profession, you are welcome.
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Your post is mostly irrelevant as it is the MARKET that decides whether a profession is needed or not. If no one is flying aircraft then I don't think anyone will really care how precise an aircraft engineer you really are.lowing wrote:
Ya think so? Still waiting for you to tell me what there is about our profession tyo look down upon. what would your problem be with a person whose job it is to make sure an aircraft is legal and safe to fly by measurements where the tolerances are measured to within 1 thousandths of an inch?Dilbert_X wrote:
From some peoples perspective there sure is.lowing wrote:
Problem is, there is nothing about being an aircraft mechanic to sneer at.
Its all relative.
If you have ever flown dilbert, on behalf of the profession, you are welcome.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
Hmm lets see, since you look down at someone who just spins nuts in a factory.lowing wrote:
Still waiting for you to tell me what there is about our profession tyo look down upon.
I'd say someone who follows instructions, dismantles things, measures them and puts them back together isn't really doing a very challenging job.
Its not as if any creativity is required - or allowed.
Compared with someone, say, whose job it is to design those things, test them, guarantee their reliability and safety, put them into manufacture and write the maintenance schedules and instructions which the grease monkey follows.
You're a bit behind with inches BTW, the world has moved on.
Thats interesting, the arch-free-marketeer is looking for some social recognition.If you have ever flown dilbert, on behalf of the profession, you are welcome.
Sorry lowing, if I buy a ticket any maintenance costs are included in the price.
I don't owe you a thank you
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I don't think you should bother trying to explain this.. it's obvious he doesn't want to listen.Spark wrote:
Your post is mostly irrelevant as it is the MARKET that decides whether a profession is needed or not. If no one is flying aircraft then I don't think anyone will really care how precise an aircraft engineer you really are.
For what it's worth lowing, I'm sure you do a great job.. and much respect to the aircraft techs and engineers that keep them up in the sky. HOWEVER, in terms of job security, it doesn't matter HOW good you are at your job when you consider the factors that Dilbert stated - things like climate change, peak oil, OPEC, the global financial crisis, etc. It's a changing world, and airlines are getting fucked hard. You should know that. Just taking a look at the NY Times page for United Airlines, we can see that things are in no way looking rosy. I'm sure it's the same for most of the other major airlines.
Now, when they cut jobs in attempt to reduce costs, and I'm sure they will.. if you loose your job, it doesn't matter how skilled you are - if all airlines are cutting jobs then there is fuck all chance of finding another job in the aircraft tech industry. It's as simple as that.
Well it is a good thing reality is not a requirement in your argumentsSpark wrote:
Your post is mostly irrelevant as it is the MARKET that decides whether a profession is needed or not. If no one is flying aircraft then I don't think anyone will really care how precise an aircraft engineer you really are.lowing wrote:
Ya think so? Still waiting for you to tell me what there is about our profession tyo look down upon. what would your problem be with a person whose job it is to make sure an aircraft is legal and safe to fly by measurements where the tolerances are measured to within 1 thousandths of an inch?Dilbert_X wrote:
From some peoples perspective there sure is.
Its all relative.
If you have ever flown dilbert, on behalf of the profession, you are welcome.
It must be nice to be able to speak on a matter of which you know nothing about, as if good judgement and decision making, talent, or knowledge or mechanical ability has no place in our profession. IdiotDilbert_X wrote:
Hmm lets see, since you look down at someone who just spins nuts in a factory.lowing wrote:
Still waiting for you to tell me what there is about our profession tyo look down upon.
I'd say someone who follows instructions, dismantles things, measures them and puts them back together isn't really doing a very challenging job.
Its not as if any creativity is required - or allowed.
Compared with someone, say, whose job it is to design those things, test them, guarantee their reliability and safety, put them into manufacture and write the maintenance schedules and instructions which the grease monkey follows.
You're a bit behind with inches BTW, the world has moved on.Thats interesting, the arch-free-marketeer is looking for some social recognition.If you have ever flown dilbert, on behalf of the profession, you are welcome.
Sorry lowing, if I buy a ticket any maintenance costs are included in the price.
I don't owe you a thank you
Inches vs metric, tell it to Boeing not me. They seem to be doing just fine with it.
I see, so you think buying a plane ticket, guarantees a safe flight. You are more of an idiot than I first gave you credit for. Congrats.
I know plenty about it, you follow the maintenance and inspection schedule, there is no place for creativity in aircraft maintenance.It must be nice to be able to speak on a matter of which you know nothing about, as if good judgement and decision making, talent, or knowledge or mechanical ability has no place in our profession.
Fuck Israel
bull fucking shit dude. these engineers put parts in such stupid locations.Dilbert_X wrote:
there is no place for creativity in aircraft maintenance.
We llike to give the technicians a challenge
Fuck Israel
Are you an aircraft mechanic? Have you ever worked on an airplane? No? then you know dick about itDilbert_X wrote:
I know plenty about it, you follow the maintenance and inspection schedule, there is no place for creativity in aircraft maintenance.It must be nice to be able to speak on a matter of which you know nothing about, as if good judgement and decision making, talent, or knowledge or mechanical ability has no place in our profession.
You assume, that the only job for aircraft mechanics are with the airlines. This only PROVES beyond a shadow of a doubt that neither one of you know a damn thing about our profession or what you are talking about..mcminty wrote:
I don't think you should bother trying to explain this.. it's obvious he doesn't want to listen.Spark wrote:
Your post is mostly irrelevant as it is the MARKET that decides whether a profession is needed or not. If no one is flying aircraft then I don't think anyone will really care how precise an aircraft engineer you really are.
For what it's worth lowing, I'm sure you do a great job.. and much respect to the aircraft techs and engineers that keep them up in the sky. HOWEVER, in terms of job security, it doesn't matter HOW good you are at your job when you consider the factors that Dilbert stated - things like climate change, peak oil, OPEC, the global financial crisis, etc. It's a changing world, and airlines are getting fucked hard. You should know that. Just taking a look at the NY Times page for United Airlines, we can see that things are in no way looking rosy. I'm sure it's the same for most of the other major airlines.
Now, when they cut jobs in attempt to reduce costs, and I'm sure they will.. if you loose your job, it doesn't matter how skilled you are - if all airlines are cutting jobs then there is fuck all chance of finding another job in the aircraft tech industry. It's as simple as that.
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Are modern engines and airframes still assembled with standard fasteners? The nice thing about modern cars and light trucks is they're all metric. I hardly use my standard tools anymore.lowing wrote:
Inches vs metric, tell it to Boeing not me. They seem to be doing just fine with it.
If people can't borrow money, houses and assets are going to become cheaper, and eventually it will become stable. Not bad me thinks.
And the only people that will own homes will be landlords letting out property to tenants since they will be the only ones able to afford to buy new homes. That's cool with you? Because it would take us back a good three hundred years or so.Adams_BJ wrote:
If people can't borrow money, houses and assets are going to become cheaper, and eventually it will become stable. Not bad me thinks.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat