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2006-04-11 18:23:56
SilentNoise105
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JaMDuDe wrote:

Silentnoise, people chose to be evil, He doesnt hand evil out then punish them for being bad. I know there is an answer to your question but i dont know it yet. Ive asked this question too. But we do not know everything about everything yet, neither does science. We cannot understand most things, picture a human brain next to the universe. And you want that brain to be able to understand everything. Its not gona work.
Okay, people choose to be evil, but you said god created us. Therefore god created us that way. He made our ability to choose. He knows everything we're gonna do, therefore he knows exactly how we're gonna act when he creates us, and in turn he creates some of us and makes us evil. If he can see everything, and he still chooses to create us all, then he creates some of us and endows those people with evil.

If god created us, then he created all the ways we think and act. Even freewill is something that he created. With this in mind there is no fair way for him to judge any of us because any flaws or evils he sees in us are evils he made us out of.

Either he created us all or he judges us all, he can't do both and still be a fair judge. Think about it.
2006-04-11 18:30:54
GunSlinger OIF II
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SilentNoise105 wrote:

JaMDuDe wrote:

Silentnoise, people chose to be evil, He doesnt hand evil out then punish them for being bad. I know there is an answer to your question but i dont know it yet. Ive asked this question too. But we do not know everything about everything yet, neither does science. We cannot understand most things, picture a human brain next to the universe. And you want that brain to be able to understand everything. Its not gona work.
Okay, people choose to be evil, but you said god created us. Therefore god created us that way. He made our ability to choose. He knows everything we're gonna do, therefore he knows exactly how we're gonna act when he creates us, and in turn he creates some of us and makes us evil. If he can see everything, and he still chooses to create us all, then he creates some of us and endows those people with evil.

If god created us, then he created all the ways we think and act. Even freewill is something that he created. With this in mind there is no fair way for him to judge any of us because any flaws or evils he sees in us are evils he made us out of.

Either he created us all or he judges us all, he can't do both and still be a fair judge. Think about it.
you are wrong, you are wrong. You are blind.  God is great yadda yadda yadda christ the lord yadda yadda yadda The bible tells us blah blah blah  follow christ or DIE!


just anticipating the response, good post though.
2006-04-11 18:39:34
Marconius
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JaMDuDe wrote:

Silentnoise, people chose to be evil, He doesnt hand evil out then punish them for being bad. I know there is an answer to your question but i dont know it yet. Ive asked this question too. But we do not know everything about everything yet, neither does science. We cannot understand most things, picture a human brain next to the universe. And you want that brain to be able to understand everything. Its not gona work.
Straight back to my original point.  The only way to understand is to search and experiment, not just constantly give up on it and just say it is "god."  Thinking that it's "just not gonna work" is the inevitable downfall of any form of Enlightenment.

It reminds me of the movie "I 'Heart' Huckabees.'  The main character Albert has dinner with a die-hard christian family, and of course they get into a philosophical debate:

...
Mr. Hooten: Sounds like a support group.
Cricket: Why can't he use the church?
Mrs. Hooten: Sometimes, people have additional questions to be answered.
Cricket: Like what?
Albert Markovski: Well, um, for instance: if the forms of this world die, which is more real, the me that dies or the me that's infinite? Can I trust my habitual mind, or do I need to learn to look beneath those things?
Cricket: Mom, we don't have to ask those questions, right?
Mrs. Hooten: Of course not
...

Blind faith or knowledge/thinking for yourself...it's your choice.
2006-04-11 18:58:14
JaMDuDe
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JaMDuDe wrote:

I know there is an answer to your question but i dont know it yet. Ive asked this question too. But we do not know everything about everything yet, neither does science. We cannot understand most things, picture a human brain next to the universe. And you want that brain to be able to understand everything. Its not gona work.
I know there is a good answer to this question but i dont know it yet.  Im too young and i havent asked anyone who knows it. Ill get you the anwser in a few weeks(when my dad gets back from afghanistan).

"We cannot understand most things, picture a human brain next to the universe. And you want that brain to be able to understand everything. Its not gona work."
2006-04-11 19:26:34
raz
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unnamednewbie13 wrote:

raz wrote:

Ofcourse animals send electrical signals.. That's how brains work.............. Yes, they adapt.. but not even close of which our brain does.. Did i say other animals CAN'T do this.. and in which bit did i say you musn't believe in souls? I'm merely putting my opinion across, everyone has one..

raz wrote:

What seperates us is that we have a brain that can send electrical signals and adapt.
For this science know it all attitude speach.. If you would of read one of my other posts that's exactly what my point was.. That we know nothing.

raz wrote:

...Souls are bullshit. ...A body, and a brain, that's all we are.
Uh, huh. Well, you obviously know everything, since you know that souls or whatever might be a soul-like substance doesn't exist. But if you aren't consistant, then going back and looking through every one of your posts won't help me know your mind any better.

Saying souls are bullshit is really the same as saying that souls are not bullshit. Saying that a soul has never been measured is just that. It hasn't been measured. Logically, you cannot come to the conclusion that it does not exist. There's no solid scientific evidence either way, but claiming either seems to offend anyone of the opposite belief.
No............. There is no evidence to there BEING A SOUL, this is just the human imagination.. That's like saying there is a room with nothing in, and you're claiming there is a table inside, but yet you want me to prove or give evidence there isn't, yet we can SEE that it is empty..

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2006-04-11 19:27:37
GunSlinger OIF II
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raz wrote:

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

raz wrote:

Ofcourse animals send electrical signals.. That's how brains work.............. Yes, they adapt.. but not even close of which our brain does.. Did i say other animals CAN'T do this.. and in which bit did i say you musn't believe in souls? I'm merely putting my opinion across, everyone has one..

raz wrote:

What seperates us is that we have a brain that can send electrical signals and adapt.
For this science know it all attitude speach.. If you would of read one of my other posts that's exactly what my point was.. That we know nothing.


Uh, huh. Well, you obviously know everything, since you know that souls or whatever might be a soul-like substance doesn't exist. But if you aren't consistant, then going back and looking through every one of your posts won't help me know your mind any better.

Saying souls are bullshit is really the same as saying that souls are not bullshit. Saying that a soul has never been measured is just that. It hasn't been measured. Logically, you cannot come to the conclusion that it does not exist. There's no solid scientific evidence either way, but claiming either seems to offend anyone of the opposite belief.
No............. There is no evidence to there BEING A SOUL, this is just the human imagination.. That's like saying there is a room with nothing in, and you wan't me to prove there is table inside..
a room with nothing in it still has nothing in it.  What is nothing.
2006-04-11 19:30:05
JaMDuDe
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Its more like there being a room and he says theres a table inside and you say there isnt but the doors closed so neither of you can see whats there.
2006-04-11 19:31:24
raz
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GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

raz wrote:

unnamednewbie13 wrote:


Uh, huh. Well, you obviously know everything, since you know that souls or whatever might be a soul-like substance doesn't exist. But if you aren't consistant, then going back and looking through every one of your posts won't help me know your mind any better.

Saying souls are bullshit is really the same as saying that souls are not bullshit. Saying that a soul has never been measured is just that. It hasn't been measured. Logically, you cannot come to the conclusion that it does not exist. There's no solid scientific evidence either way, but claiming either seems to offend anyone of the opposite belief.
No............. There is no evidence to there BEING A SOUL, this is just the human imagination.. That's like saying there is a room with nothing in, and you wan't me to prove there is table inside..
a room with nothing in it still has nothing in it.  What is nothing.
That was an example.. We know what is inside us.. Guts, blood, muscle, etc etc.
2006-04-11 19:32:44
raz
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JaMDuDe wrote:

Its more like there being a room and he says theres a table inside and you say there isnt but the doors closed so neither of you can see whats there.
No, no, no, your not getting my point..

lol

My point is WEEEE CAN ALL SEE that nothing is there, but instead of him saying he can prove a table/something is there, he wants me/us to prove something ISN'T there. Which is diabolical.
2006-04-11 19:33:40
lowing
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whoa, "looks like I picked the wrong year to stop sniffing glue".
2006-04-11 19:33:42
JaMDuDe
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What makes us different from one another? Monkeys all just look for food and raise the young etc. what made us all have different interests and stuff. If we are all the same inside why dont we all do the same things?
2006-04-11 19:36:04
GunSlinger OIF II
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because we have huge complex brains and monkeys brains dont compare to us.
2006-04-11 19:39:39
JaMDuDe
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Arent we supposed to be monkeys?  So if something gets smarter we all start becoming different from eachother and some are smarter than others yet theres no difference?
2006-04-11 19:40:40
GunSlinger OIF II
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JaMDuDe wrote:

Arent we supposed to be monkeys?  So if something gets smarter we all start becoming different from eachother and some are smarter than others yet theres no difference?
thats pretty much it.  Life is only as complicated as you make it.

and were not monkeys.  We share the same ancestors as monkeys...look up "the missing link"

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2006-04-11 19:44:29
JaMDuDe
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What did darwin say started making us different? What made some people artists and others proffesional athletes? Im just curious.
2006-04-11 19:47:26
GunSlinger OIF II
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JaMDuDe wrote:

What did darwin say started making us different? What made some people artists and others proffesional athletes? Im just curious.
ive got the same questions as you, except i dont worry about a god being behind the things i dont understand.  I refuse to use religion to answer life's mysteries.  If I dont have an answer to the things that perplex the human mind today, i know science will eventually evolve and figure that answer out eventually, like it has been for thousands of years.
2006-04-11 20:04:59
JaMDuDe
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I follow Christianity because its the Truth not because it anwsers my questions. Even though it does.
2006-04-11 20:07:58
GunSlinger OIF II
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JaMDuDe wrote:

I follow Christianity because its the Truth not because it anwsers my questions. Even though it does.
well I guess your right, no need for me to share my thoughts with you anymore since you know the "truth". have a nice day
2006-04-11 20:09:14
lowing
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JaMDuDe wrote:

I follow Christianity because its the Truth not because it anwsers my questions. Even though it does.
the truth, unless you were born in a different country and raised to believe differently that is.

If you  were born in the Middle East you would probably preach that Islam holds the truth.

You think it is the truth because you were raised to think it is, not because you know.

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2006-04-11 20:19:36
JaMDuDe
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No its because ive looked at other religions and none of them compare to what Jesus did, the prophets who knew of him hundred of years before he came, America was based on christianity and it is now the richest, happiest, and most powerful country in the world. Billions of people have seen miracles, demon possesions, and have seen what God can do in life. And christians go to heaven in most other major religions.
2006-04-11 20:20:49
GunSlinger OIF II
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JaMDuDe wrote:

No its because ive looked at other religions and none of them compare to what Jesus did, the prophets who knew of him hundred of years before he came, America was based on christianity and it is now the richest, happiest, and most powerful country in the world. Billions of people have seen miracles, demon possesions, and have seen what God can do in life. And christians go to heaven in most other major religions.
how old are you jamdude?
2006-04-11 20:31:10
MooseRyder
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JaMDuDe wrote:

No its because ive looked at other religions and none of them compare to what Jesus did, the prophets who knew of him hundred of years before he came, America was based on christianity and it is now the richest, happiest, and most powerful country in the world. Billions of people have seen miracles, demon possesions, and have seen what God can do in life. And christians go to heaven in most other major religions.
LMAO! brainwashed dude spotted.
2006-04-11 20:32:30
GunSlinger OIF II
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MooseRyder wrote:

JaMDuDe wrote:

No its because ive looked at other religions and none of them compare to what Jesus did, the prophets who knew of him hundred of years before he came, America was based on christianity and it is now the richest, happiest, and most powerful country in the world. Billions of people have seen miracles, demon possesions, and have seen what God can do in life. And christians go to heaven in most other major religions.
LMAO! brainwashed dude spotted.
i wouldnt call him brainwashed, just young and naive unless he turns out to be a grown man, than Ill call him brainwashed.
2006-04-11 20:57:22
siciliano732
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so he is brainwashed because he believes something....something he believes and to him he knows is truth....I believe in the same truth, as did the girl who was shot and killed in Columbine for her faith and admitance to believe in Jesus Christ, the one true God.  You are basing your arguements on opinion and philosophical things....not true occurances and proficy that continues to unfold and be proven true.  Secondly, you critisize and fail to see the truth because you do not want to see....seek and you shall find.  For me, and what seems to be for JamDude....we have sought after Christ and just like his word tells us, he is there...Revalation 3:20 - "Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, then I will come in to him, and will dine with him, and he with me.".....those who disagree, you just do not want to turn back and believe that God exists, let alone sent his PERFECT son, to earth to die a painful death to save your sins and an opportunity to enter the kingdom of heaven.....its all a choice, as for me i choose Christ and would rather know i am going somewhere when my flesh dies rather than in the ground....or not believe and end up Christians and others who have accepted Christ as their personal savior...and spend eternity in hell.....i just dont think its for me.....

Matthew 7:7-8 - Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives; he who seeks finds; and to him who knocks, the door will be opened.

...this is an endless argument.
2006-04-11 21:02:48
GunSlinger OIF II
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siciliano732 wrote:

so he is brainwashed because he believes something....something he believes and to him he knows is truth....I believe in the same truth, as did the girl who was shot and killed in Columbine for her faith and admitance to believe in Jesus Christ, the one true God.  You are basing your arguements on opinion and philosophical things....not true occurances and proficy that continues to unfold and be proven true.  Secondly, you critisize and fail to see the truth because you do not want to see....seek and you shall find.  For me, and what seems to be for JamDude....we have sought after Christ and just like his word tells us, he is there...Revalation 3:20 - "Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, then I will come in to him, and will dine with him, and he with me.".....those who disagree, you just do not want to turn back and believe that God exists, let alone sent his PERFECT son, to earth to die a painful death to save your sins and an opportunity to enter the kingdom of heaven.....its all a choice, as for me i choose Christ and would rather know i am going somewhere when my flesh dies rather than in the ground....or not believe and end up Christians and others who have accepted Christ as their personal savior...and spend eternity in hell.....i just dont think its for me.....

Matthew 7:7-8 - Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives; he who seeks finds; and to him who knocks, the door will be opened.

...this is an endless argument.
i dont even bother reading your posts to the end anymore, nothing much different then all the other huge amounts of blah blah blah youve been writing.  You got your opinion, I got my opnion.  Nobody is gonna change that, so I dont know what you planned on getting from this thread but whenever religion is topic you will never get a close to that argument.

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