BF2S Forums Here is your govt. education at work.

DrunkFace wrote:

nlsme1 wrote:

lowing wrote:

Sorry, what was paid was what was charged, and the funding was there for the schools roads, law enforcement etc....

What should exclude healthcare from that list?

It's not how the system is now. ie change is bad.

"he never said reform isn't needed"

lowing wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Aced it .. but tbh..

I guessed on:

19. What INS form is used to apply to become a naturalized citizen?
   
Spoiler (highlight to read):
    Correct
N-400 "Application for Naturalization"

50/50 between that and the Petetion option.

lowing wrote:

Nothing more needs to be said, except, ya really want this same govt. responsible for your health?

We trust them to manage wars.

National security is part of their function, my retirement, education, etc. is not

It's the  "they cant do anything right" mentality I was addressing.

You answered 90% of questions correctly.

Wrong Answer:
Which of the following amendments to the Constitution does NOT address or guarantee voting rights?   
19th Amendment is not correct.
7th Amendment

No GOOGLE, or anything else

Never went over it in either public or private education systems.

Flecco wrote:

lowing wrote:

Flecco wrote:

I'm confused.

lowing argues that public schooling is shit, therefore public healthcare would be shit.




Yet he, with all his staunchly 'conservative' values, is a product of that system. He did fairly well out of it, I guess maybe it's less about education and more about culture.

I argue that despite of govt. I did well. I argue that because the govt. can't even run a cash for clunkers program, or a postal service, or a school, that they should be trusted with managing my healthcare.

It's about money. The US Military is the best in the world right... It's run by the US Fed Govt.

I heard that the CIA, FBI and Nasa were pretty hot too. The wide range of federally funded R&D seems to have yielded some spectacular results too.

Kmarion wrote:

I love the insults to the postal service. They employ almost a million people. Not too many companies do anything near their scale as efficiently and at their prices. The USPS is extremely successful when you look at the volume they handle and the percent of time mail delivered is delivered on time. Some people just make it up as they go along. They are the ones who tell you Canadians hate their healthcare system. Again, I do not stand by the current proposed plan. But the aforementioned stuff is getting out of control.

Takes only 1 letter or parcel delivered too late out of 1 million delivered successfully to badmouth the postal service ... 1 Canadian being distrustful towards his government and suddenly they all are ...

Generalizing is our best friend when arguing without credible sources

Kmarion wrote:

Varegg wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

I love the insults to the postal service. They employ almost a million people. Not too many companies do anything near their scale as efficiently and at their prices. The USPS is extremely successful when you look at the volume they handle and the percent of time mail delivered is delivered on time. Some people just make it up as they go along. They are the ones who tell you Canadians hate their healthcare system. Again, I do not stand by the current proposed plan. But the aforementioned stuff is getting out of control.

Takes only 1 letter or parcel delivered too late out of 1 million delivered successfully to badmouth the postal service ... 1 Canadian being distrustful towards his government and suddenly they all are ...

Generalizing is our best friend when arguing without credible sources

You DO NOT have to tell me that. Trust me.. I dealt with that for years at UPS. People are generally clueless with such things.

I remember watching a show about the UK Royal Mail in which they found something like 3 people out of millions who had posted parcels and they'd gone missing. The program was presented as if this showed that the Royal Mail was utterly unable to ever deliver anything.

Kmarion wrote:

Varegg wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

I love the insults to the postal service. They employ almost a million people. Not too many companies do anything near their scale as efficiently and at their prices. The USPS is extremely successful when you look at the volume they handle and the percent of time mail delivered is delivered on time. Some people just make it up as they go along. They are the ones who tell you Canadians hate their healthcare system. Again, I do not stand by the current proposed plan. But the aforementioned stuff is getting out of control.

Takes only 1 letter or parcel delivered too late out of 1 million delivered successfully to badmouth the postal service ... 1 Canadian being distrustful towards his government and suddenly they all are ...

Generalizing is our best friend when arguing without credible sources

You DO NOT have to tell me that. Trust me.. I dealt with that for years at UPS. People are generally clueless with such things.

Wasn't telling you anything, I was supporting your post underlining the point you made ...

Kmarion wrote:

Trust me

I do

http://www.usps.com/news/2002/press/pr02_036.htm
http://www.dmnews.com/USPS-mulls-delive … le/140510/
http://www.apwu.org/news/burrus/2008/up … 093008.htm
http://postandparcel.info/19085/compani … s-in-2007/
http://www.southwestreviewnews.com/main … cleID=4525
http://multichannelmerchant.com/news/USPS_profit_120705

In summary:  Since the re-organization in 1971, the post office has operated in a deficit for every year with the exception of 2004 and 2005. 

Now I am not saying they are inefficient or unable to provide the service they intend.  I just think this is more along the lines of what Lowing was talking about.  I am just stabbin' in the dark though, you never know where he is coming from sometimes. 

That was helped significantly by the 3.1 billion profit for 2004 and the 1.4 billion profit in 2005.  The other 32 years were operated in a deficit.

USPS wipes out $1 billion/year average profit over 5 years in 1 year

Last edited by LividBovine (2009-09-24 02:56:25)

Stupidity exists in all sectors be they government sanctioned or not. I went to a public school that happens to be one of the most highly rated schools in the country.

I took that test that Locoloki provided. Loving how in question 9 one of the collectons of the 13 original states included New Zealand.

I got 16/20 by the way - one question off becoming a US citizen but pretty good for a spur-of-the-moment test score.

You just don't get it.
The fact that there is a govt agency responsible for something does not necessarily prove its part of the govt function.
Govts choose to do certain things, others they choose not to.

So, the US govt could choose to be responsible for healthcare, set up a Department of Healthcare, then by your limited logic it would be a 'govt function' for all time?

Congrats, you just beat your own inane argument

PS I did not insist the govt is responsible for healthcare, I've said it should be though. I did ask you to show us where in the constitution it says the govt has a duty to administer roads and bridges though.

So some kids doesn't know who the first president of USA was?

Well if he's similar to me he'll be like this.

History is BORING, it really is. What use do I have of knowing who was the first at becoming President of USA? None really.

I'd rather spend my time learning about Space, computers, anime, 4chan, games, todays stuff, weapons, tanks, nano tech, evolution and so on. But normal history is boring.

I actually have a problem with history. In the way that I can't for anything remember about it. History is just so boring it slips of my mind the moment it enter it.

For Cartoons like Futurama I can remember pretty much EVERYTHING about it. This goes for all episodes too. >.> The same goes for other things I enjoy. I remember them like I just have played them.

Besides people doesn't seems to learn from history as we are STILL in war and it doesn't seems to change.

Now my school didn't have bad education, no, it was actually pretty good. Just that I didn't give a damn about history. Or that much about political stuff. I still have problem differ Right Wing from Left Wing style democratic. It's boring.

Zefar wrote:

So some kids doesn't know who the first president of USA was?

Well if he's similar to me he'll be like this.

History is BORING, it really is. What use do I have of knowing who was the first at becoming President of USA? None really.

I'd rather spend my time learning about Space, computers, anime, 4chan, games, todays stuff, weapons, tanks, nano tech, evolution and so on. But normal history is boring.

I actually have a problem with history. In the way that I can't for anything remember about it. History is just so boring it slips of my mind the moment it enter it.

For Cartoons like Futurama I can remember pretty much EVERYTHING about it. This goes for all episodes too. >.> The same goes for other things I enjoy. I remember them like I just have played them.

Besides people doesn't seems to learn from history as we are STILL in war and it doesn't seems to change.

Now my school didn't have bad education, no, it was actually pretty good. Just that I didn't give a damn about history. Or that much about political stuff. I still have problem differ Right Wing from Left Wing style democratic. It's boring.

Wow. My smug sense of self-superiority just skyrocketed while reading that.

I think the attitude that something has to be entertaining to be worth anything is a real problem in students. If they're always looking to get something for nothing how can we say that they have a realistic outlook of the "real world"? I'm not saying that everyone should take classics or history or politics if that doesn't interest them, what I'm saying though is that you should never think that something which you percieve as "boring" lacks value and sometimes you should force yourself into doing things you don't enjoy because most times the value you get out of it is well worth it.

My understanding of history has given me insight into so many different things; literally everything, including Futurama. After all everything is a product of that which has preceeded it.

Anyway we'll see how far your encyclopaediac knowledge of Futurama, anime and 4chan gets you. Then see how far my Poltical Science/History degree gets me. We'll both probably end up working at McDonald's but I'll be your manager. We can swap cartoon trivia.