You're right, you're screwed up.Pug wrote:
Sort of like this: when it's cold I think Celsius (10 deg or below), when hot I think Farenheit (75 or above). If it's in between, you better ask someone else (50-75 F or 10-25 C). Makes it interesting packing clothes for a trip
and the point being? since I guess I can say my dad AND I paid yours. What the hell is your point?nlsme1 wrote:
That is why I said my father paid YOUR way.lowing wrote:
Gee, ever consider I wasn't a tax payer when I was in school either? So where did you dream up that comment from then?nlsme1 wrote:
Why not look at my statement a little more. I was not a taxpayer when you were in school if you are more then 35. Bet I pay more in taxes then you do you so talk to me when you have a right to complain about PAYING TAXES.
I am not complaining about paying taxes. I am complaining about where my tax money goes and paying too much taxes based on that. and yeah I have the right.
Nope, I say give people a choice other than govt. education. give people vouchers from that same fund to let people educate their kids where they want, and not where the govt. wants.CameronPoe wrote:
I went to public schools at both primary and secondary level and several of my friends and I went on to university to become graduates and postgraduates, doctors, lawyers and engineers. We then proceeded to enter gainful employment. Ever think for a minute that it might be the ignorant little runts themselves, their peers, their parents, modern culture and the fact they live in a deadend bible belt hick state that may have played a part? Of course not - there is only one thing lowing ever blames... the monopolar world of lowing... Of course the quality of the education being delivered plays a part, but it certainly ain't the only thing. I notice how all of the nations that supposedly 'smoke' the US in the editorial are heavily socialised (thinly veiled CNN agenda strikes again). Why is it that the American system is apparently not functioning whereas European systems are? They don't even scratch the surface as to why.
I guess the answer lowing is driving at is that funding should be cut to schools. Because that will improve education...
National security is part of their function, my retirement, education, etc. is notKmarion wrote:
Aced it .. but tbh..
I guessed on:50/50 between that and the Petetion option.19. What INS form is used to apply to become a naturalized citizen?
Spoiler (highlight to read):
Correct
N-400 "Application for Naturalization"We trust them to manage wars.lowing wrote:
Nothing more needs to be said, except, ya really want this same govt. responsible for your health?
Not really, since I have never taken 1 penny of govt. welfare money, and my family paid taxes in every county i went to schcool in. So no, I have never leached.nlsme1 wrote:
Your dad didnt pay shit towards mine nor did you. My point is that there is always someone who will complain about government spending. You complain a lot about government spending. Yet, you yourself could be the person being the "leach" in someone elses complaint. Your complaint has nothing to do with healthcare, rather more taxes you might have to pay for someone else to get what you have the luxury of having.
Here is a good analogy that fits a little more in line with healthcare then your test that most of the students who took it blew off. How is the government being in charge of our roads not socialism, yet healthcare is?
But everyone needs healthcare...lowing wrote:
Not really, since I have never taken 1 penny of govt. welfare money, and my family paid taxes in every county i went to schcool in. So no, I have never leached.nlsme1 wrote:
Your dad didnt pay shit towards mine nor did you. My point is that there is always someone who will complain about government spending. You complain a lot about government spending. Yet, you yourself could be the person being the "leach" in someone elses complaint. Your complaint has nothing to do with healthcare, rather more taxes you might have to pay for someone else to get what you have the luxury of having.
Here is a good analogy that fits a little more in line with healthcare then your test that most of the students who took it blew off. How is the government being in charge of our roads not socialism, yet healthcare is?
Govt. is charged with maintaining the infrastructure that we ALL use. this includes roads and bridges. We dso not all use welfare. Sorry your analogy fails.
And an education...Cybargs wrote:
But everyone needs healthcare...lowing wrote:
Not really, since I have never taken 1 penny of govt. welfare money, and my family paid taxes in every county i went to schcool in. So no, I have never leached.nlsme1 wrote:
Your dad didnt pay shit towards mine nor did you. My point is that there is always someone who will complain about government spending. You complain a lot about government spending. Yet, you yourself could be the person being the "leach" in someone elses complaint. Your complaint has nothing to do with healthcare, rather more taxes you might have to pay for someone else to get what you have the luxury of having.
Here is a good analogy that fits a little more in line with healthcare then your test that most of the students who took it blew off. How is the government being in charge of our roads not socialism, yet healthcare is?
Govt. is charged with maintaining the infrastructure that we ALL use. this includes roads and bridges. We dso not all use welfare. Sorry your analogy fails.
But you took govt corporate welfare money in Iraq - a war started in part so the govt could transfer tax dollars to military contractors.lowing wrote:
Not really, since I have never taken 1 penny of govt. welfare money, .
Which probably didn't meet the cost of your schooling.and my family paid taxes in every county i went to schcool in. So no, I have never leached
Sure you haven't.So no, I have never leached
I think 1 dollar 1 vote is a much better system, this prevents the parasites from having influence.Dilbert_X wrote:
Agreed, all roads should be toll roads.
All car parks should have a meter.
You can pay by the hour for police time.
You should also have to pay to vote. $50 a time would be fair I think.
Healthcare falls under welfare? My Analogy holds more water then the one you made in the OP. I am willing to bet the taxes your family paid in were not half of what your education cost. Again I say LEECH.lowing wrote:
Not really, since I have never taken 1 penny of govt. welfare money, and my family paid taxes in every county i went to schcool in. So no, I have never leached.nlsme1 wrote:
Your dad didnt pay shit towards mine nor did you. My point is that there is always someone who will complain about government spending. You complain a lot about government spending. Yet, you yourself could be the person being the "leach" in someone elses complaint. Your complaint has nothing to do with healthcare, rather more taxes you might have to pay for someone else to get what you have the luxury of having.
Here is a good analogy that fits a little more in line with healthcare then your test that most of the students who took it blew off. How is the government being in charge of our roads not socialism, yet healthcare is?
Govt. is charged with maintaining the infrastructure that we ALL use. this includes roads and bridges. We dso not all use welfare. Sorry your analogy fails.
No they aren't. They do it so they get re-elected.lowing wrote:
Govt. is charged with maintaining the infrastructure that we ALL use. this includes roads and bridges.
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I'd say it has more to do with money. He wants to keep all of his. He probably has the luxury of having insurance, and sees no reason why he should have to help insure those that are uninsured. He doesn't understand that many people have no realistic way of paying for it on their own.Flecco wrote:
I'm confused.
lowing argues that public schooling is shit, therefore public healthcare would be shit.
Yet he, with all his staunchly 'conservative' values, is a product of that system. He did fairly well out of it, I guess maybe it's less about education and more about culture.
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I based that on the fact that he called it "welfare". Lowing does not seem like the type to find out if it would cost him more.Just like he didn't bother to think about the analogy in the op. He also stated that "never said reform was not needed", basically saying the government should have more control. Maybe it is somewhere in the middle. But money definitely plays a role in his thinking.Mekstizzle wrote:
I don't think it has to do with money. From what I gather. Nobody has even bothered to find out if Government Healthcare would be cheaper than their current Insurance premiums. So it's got nothing to do with money. More along the lines of "I don't want the Government to hold more power, especially the Obama government, so I'm going to oppose this"
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Your opinions bare little resemblance to facts.Dilbert_X wrote:
But you took govt corporate welfare money in Iraq - a war started in part so the govt could transfer tax dollars to military contractors.lowing wrote:
Not really, since I have never taken 1 penny of govt. welfare money, .
And you work in an industry supported by military spending - paid for with tax dollars.Which probably didn't meet the cost of your schooling.and my family paid taxes in every county i went to schcool in. So no, I have never leachedSure you haven't.So no, I have never leached
Sorry, what was paid was what was charged, and the funding was there for the schools roads, law enforcement etc....nlsme1 wrote:
Healthcare falls under welfare? My Analogy holds more water then the one you made in the OP. I am willing to bet the taxes your family paid in were not half of what your education cost. Again I say LEECH.lowing wrote:
Not really, since I have never taken 1 penny of govt. welfare money, and my family paid taxes in every county i went to schcool in. So no, I have never leached.nlsme1 wrote:
Your dad didnt pay shit towards mine nor did you. My point is that there is always someone who will complain about government spending. You complain a lot about government spending. Yet, you yourself could be the person being the "leach" in someone elses complaint. Your complaint has nothing to do with healthcare, rather more taxes you might have to pay for someone else to get what you have the luxury of having.
Here is a good analogy that fits a little more in line with healthcare then your test that most of the students who took it blew off. How is the government being in charge of our roads not socialism, yet healthcare is?
Govt. is charged with maintaining the infrastructure that we ALL use. this includes roads and bridges. We dso not all use welfare. Sorry your analogy fails.
I argue that despite of govt. I did well. I argue that because the govt. can't even run a cash for clunkers program, or a postal service, or a school, that they should be trusted with managing my healthcare.Flecco wrote:
I'm confused.
lowing argues that public schooling is shit, therefore public healthcare would be shit.
Yet he, with all his staunchly 'conservative' values, is a product of that system. He did fairly well out of it, I guess maybe it's less about education and more about culture.
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It is called the DOT Deparment of Transportation, ever hear of it?Dilbert_X wrote:
No they aren't. They do it so they get re-elected.lowing wrote:
Govt. is charged with maintaining the infrastructure that we ALL use. this includes roads and bridges.
Or show me the part of the constitution which says that.
What should exclude healthcare from that list?lowing wrote:
Sorry, what was paid was what was charged, and the funding was there for the schools roads, law enforcement etc....nlsme1 wrote:
Healthcare falls under welfare? My Analogy holds more water then the one you made in the OP. I am willing to bet the taxes your family paid in were not half of what your education cost. Again I say LEECH.lowing wrote:
Not really, since I have never taken 1 penny of govt. welfare money, and my family paid taxes in every county i went to schcool in. So no, I have never leached.
Govt. is charged with maintaining the infrastructure that we ALL use. this includes roads and bridges. We dso not all use welfare. Sorry your analogy fails.
It's not how the system is now. ie change is bad.nlsme1 wrote:
What should exclude healthcare from that list?lowing wrote:
Sorry, what was paid was what was charged, and the funding was there for the schools roads, law enforcement etc....nlsme1 wrote:
Healthcare falls under welfare? My Analogy holds more water then the one you made in the OP. I am willing to bet the taxes your family paid in were not half of what your education cost. Again I say LEECH.
