Hurricane2k9
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I'm pretty sure that in every state in the US, people who are labeled as sex offenders by the law are required to register as sex offenders on public listings. These listings give the name and current address of the offender. They also usually provide a picture. In some states, I hear they even have to have special license plates. In many states, they cannot live within so many feet of a school or playground (which, in dense urban and suburban areas, leaves very few options for housing).

Now, in theory this sounds fine. Rapists are the scum of the earth and deserve to be treated as such. But the problem is, there are too many people on those lists who do not deserve to be there.

One of the most common examples of this is when a person aged, say, 17 has consensual sex with someone who is 15. If the state's laws say that the age of consent is 16, then the 17 year old can be charged with rape. He then has to register as a sex offender. He will find it very difficult to work anywhere since many employers now check these databases. He will find it very difficult to live anywhere save for a rural area. All because he had consensual sex with someone who was two years younger than them. If both parties agreed to the sex, then why should either one get charged with any crime? People claim that people under 16 are not able to make good judgment, but look around any impoverished area and you will see plenty of people not making good judgment in regards to sex (not using protection). And the idea that when a person turns 16 they can suddenly make a good judgment of whether to have sex or not is ludicrous.

An even more egregious example is one I heard a couple days ago at this discussion about drinking at my college. According to a police officer (and this has actually happened in many places), if you are caught urinating in public you can be charged with a sex crime (indecent exposure) and be registered as a sex offender. That's right; if you're drunk and stupid and take a piss in someone's lawn, you're not just called a dumbass and have to pay the owner of the lawn a small fine. You have to essentially lose what life you had and live in exile.

Who else agrees that there needs to be a major reworking of what is considered a sex offense and what isn't?
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DesertFox-
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Even if they are major sex offenders, I still don't like the idea of a registry. It's a continuing punishment for the rest of your life, and these days anyone can find out where you live and what you did. Those who commit other crimes, even violent ones, don't have to go through that process and that just doesn't seem right. Either make everyone register, or no one, but we can't have double standards.
13/f/taiwan
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Dude there is this registered sex offender that lives two blocks away from me. Which is about 200 feet from an elementray school that my siblings and I have gone/still go to.
DesertFox-
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12/f/taiwan wrote:

Dude there is this registered sex offender that lives two blocks away from me. Which is about 200 feet from an elementray school that my siblings and I have gone/still go to.
...a fact which you know due to the nature of the current sex offender system which has this manner of continual punishment even after release from prison.
Hurricane2k9
Pendulous Sweaty Balls
+1,538|5992|College Park, MD
@DesertFox I agree that murderers need to be registered as well. Although frankly anyone guilty of first degree murder or rape should just be locked up for good so they can't menace society.

@12/f/taiwan, it's understandable to find that scary, but the thing is what's preventing a sex offender who lives a mile away from a school from just driving over there? It's a slight inconvenience but if he's really fucked up in the head he'll do it.
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AussieReaper
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Hurricane2k9 wrote:

@12/f/taiwan, it's understandable to find that scary, but the thing is what's preventing a sex offender who lives a mile away from a school from just driving over there? It's a slight inconvenience but if he's really fucked up in the head he'll do it.
Because if kids are walking past the house every day, it's easy to lure them in. A friendly hello each day, followed by a hows it going, gaining the kids trust til eventually you just invite them in for something and they will not know any better.

It's dangerous to have sex offenders near a school.
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Hurricane2k9
Pendulous Sweaty Balls
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AussieReaper wrote:

Hurricane2k9 wrote:

@12/f/taiwan, it's understandable to find that scary, but the thing is what's preventing a sex offender who lives a mile away from a school from just driving over there? It's a slight inconvenience but if he's really fucked up in the head he'll do it.
Because if kids are walking past the house every day, it's easy to lure them in. A friendly hello each day, followed by a hows it going, gaining the kids trust til eventually you just invite them in for something and they will not know any better.

It's dangerous to have sex offenders near a school.
If the offender is that dangerous to begin with, why not just keep them locked up? What's stopping them from just stalking the streets, abducting a kid and then taking them to some deserted area and killing/raping him?
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SEREMAKER
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the law is the law


change it once and someone will want to change it again
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Hurricane2k9
Pendulous Sweaty Balls
+1,538|5992|College Park, MD

SEREMAKER wrote:

the law is the law


change it once and someone will want to change it again
well christ why even bother with amendments right?
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Ticia
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There should be no list at all. Authorities need to wise up and take responsibility for housing sex offenders and pedophiles away from the children. For repeat offenders i'm all for chemical or even surgical castration.
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
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Its simple really.
If they are no longer a danger they should be let out and left to get on with their lives without registers etc.
If they are still a danger they should remain locked up. A good proportion are incurable, hard luck to them.
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Flecco
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De-sex them.
Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
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De-sex them.
Doesn't necessarily work, sex is just part of the debasing of their victims.
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Flecco
iPod is broken.
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Dilbert_X wrote:

De-sex them.
Doesn't necessarily work, sex is just part of the debasing of their victims.
I meant remove all genitalia m8.

Would certainly alter their hormonal state.
Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.
Stubbee
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It sounds to me like most of you think SEX offender = pedophile.

taiwan's sex offender could a public urination offender. what does the public listing say?

why does AR bring up luring kids in to the house? why does ticia demand sex offenders be kept away from children?

it is definitely dangerous to have a PEDOPHILE near a school/playground but not necessarily a sex offender.

H is right. The classification is too broad.
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Ticia
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Stubbee wrote:

It sounds to me like most of you think SEX offender = pedophile.

taiwan's sex offender could a public urination offender. what does the public listing say?

why does AR bring up luring kids in to the house? why does ticia demand sex offenders be kept away from children?

it is definitely dangerous to have a PEDOPHILE near a school/playground but not necessarily a sex offender.

H is right. The classification is too broad.
From children,women,men,trannies,animals and any pissing playgrounds. Keep em in check is all i ask.
DesertFox-
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So I was thinking about this issue again today after hearing of yet another story of an 18 year old kid going out with a 16 year old girl and she was sexting him nudies of herself. People like this get lumped in with actual pedophiles and rapists, whereas those convicted of other crimes don't have to register. Even the comments on the article generally read along the lines of "people like this ought to be killed" or "good before he molests another child" (which is a rather big leap to begin with). Once someone's convicted of a sex offense, their world goes to shit with all sorts of assumptions that are being made. It's even hard to defend them because people act like you're encouraging pedophilia or something if you say the system is fucked up.
Long story short, there's too many Mrs. Lovejoys "Won't somebody think of the children?!" in this country. We ought to be fair to our treatment of them, and treat all criminals the same, not single these peopel out.
west-phoenix-az
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Rapists and child molesters shouldn't get a second chance.
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Dilbert_X
The X stands for
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They should register with the Police and the Police should keep close tabs on them, where they live, where they are working, they can check license plates etc, it shouldn't be public.
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maybe it should come with a description of what their offense was.
DesertFox-
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Nic wrote:

maybe it should come with a description of what their offense was.
We don't do that for thieves, drug dealers, or abusive partners though. We're operating on the basis that sex crimes are somehow worse than everything else, and anything remotely related gets shoved into that category. Besides, prison is supposed to be the punishment for these crimes, public shaming is not.
Hurricane2k9
Pendulous Sweaty Balls
+1,538|5992|College Park, MD
I have always wondered why an 18 year old having sex with a 16 year old can get you that scarlet letter for life, yet murder is basically confined to prison.
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Jay
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DesertFox- wrote:

Even if they are major sex offenders, I still don't like the idea of a registry. It's a continuing punishment for the rest of your life, and these days anyone can find out where you live and what you did. Those who commit other crimes, even violent ones, don't have to go through that process and that just doesn't seem right. Either make everyone register, or no one, but we can't have double standards.
This. Is there any wonder there is so much recidivism? People blame the jails for being soft, or blame sentencing for not being harsh enough or blame the fact that people learn how to be better criminals in jail. No, it's the fact that they're now fucked for the rest of their life. They have to put on every single job application, no matter how menial the job, that they are a former criminal. Not only is that embarrassing enough, but the vast majority of HR departments will automatically throw out the application.

I am a firm believer that once a person does time, they've served their debt to society and should get a fresh start. I didn't always hold this opinion but after watching my uncle struggle through life after he did time I can fully understand why people would turn back to crime to get by, they have no other choice.

If the vast majority of people feel the punishments do not fit the crime, make the punishments harsher and the chance of parole more difficult. Fine. But if the punishments do fit the crime, and time has been served, let them wipe their hands of it and move on with their life. This whole stigmatizing people for the rest of their lives is complete and utter bullshit. Whatever happened to 'double jeopardy' being illegal in our system of laws?
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
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Hurricane2k9
Pendulous Sweaty Balls
+1,538|5992|College Park, MD
I completely agree with you John.

Hence why punishment for things like rape (not statutory), murder and child molestation should be punished by life without parole, or worse.
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Turquoise
O Canada
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100% agreed, John.

The problem is... if you try explaining this to the average person, you'll get all kinds of bullshit responses back defending the registry.

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