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Homeschtar wrote:

sfg-Ice__ wrote:

This is funny.  People are complaining that the brits took the time to beat these kids on the asses to, I assume, teach them a lesson while the armored convoys light up anyone who even remotely looks aggressive.  Ask the guys coming back from there.  The marching orders are broad enough that any perception of hostility shall be met with deadly force.  If those kids where doing something which constituted that action they should of been shot.  Damn Brits where doing them a favor by sparing thier lives.

And, personally, I hope that someday that's not what the world is like. Soldiers who "light up" civilians that look aggresive? Soldiers will abuse that, and kill civilians that talked back or gave them a dirty look. Later, the soldier will say, "He was being aggresive". Maybe you were unaware of the fact that 34,000 Iraqi civilians are dead. This "Shoot at aggresive looks" guideline is not helping the body count.

Last edited by Horseman 77 (2006-04-10 05:22:40)

UnOriginalNuttah wrote:

raz wrote:

UnOriginalNuttah wrote:

All I can say is that they are facing charges, and if they knew what they were doing then they wouldn't be.

No, they are not.. Everytime a Brit dies, kills or get's trialled, it is on British news.. I am from that country and this has never been on the headlines.. Why do you make assumptions that these British soldiers are on trial?

..and even if they are, i'm sure nothing will happen to them.. Many time i'm sure KILL CIVILIANS by mistake in the process of war, do they get trialled?..

3 of them are in custody.  Generally, when you arrested it is because you are likely to be charged for a crime, hence the phrase 'facing charges'.  The cameraman is believed to be one of the three.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4788210.stm
http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/U.K._soldie … buse_video

Last edited by raz (2006-04-10 06:36:02)

UnOriginalNuttah wrote:

lowing wrote:

UnOriginalNuttah wrote:

^^^ Agreed, but I've admitted I was at fault to respond to the repeated provokation in this way and apologised.  I admit when I am wrong.

I defy you to point out "repeated" personal attacks I have made on you!!!!

all you did last night was the childish equivalent of putting your fingers in your ears, stomping your feet, and screaming, la la la la la I am not listening to you la la la la la la. LOL very very amusing.

The very first discussion we had started with you calling me an idiot for my views on human rights:

lowing wrote:

Make ya a deal..............let me hold you captive, either as a hostage or as a prisoner of war....your choice....you can also choose which torture method you prefer. The fact of not being pointed toward Mecca, or I can inflict unbareable pain on you until I decide to cut of your head on video...........If you decide to let me inflict unbareable pain on you and then cut off your head instead of not telling you which way is EAST, your post will hold merit.............If not........take back everything you just said about how America is torturing prisoners and start feeling sorry for the people that are protecting your right to be a bonified idiot

And you've followed a similar trend ever since.  I'm not even going to dignify your bullshit about me any more.  You say what you want about me, traitor, terrorist, whatever... that's fine, I really couldn't give a flying fuck.  But don't think for a second you can bully me out of this forum with your obvious twisting of words and insulting comments.  You have no respect for my views or the reasons I hold them, so why should I justify myself to you?

Last edited by lowing (2006-04-10 06:49:03)

UnOriginalNuttah wrote:

raz wrote:

UnOriginalNuttah wrote:

3 of them are in custody.  Generally, when you arrested it is because you are likely to be charged for a crime, hence the phrase 'facing charges'.  The cameraman is believed to be one of the three.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4788210.stm
http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/U.K._soldie … buse_video

"A soldier arrested on Wednesday over a video of British troops appearing to abuse Iraqi youths has been interviewed and released."

When they are arrested, just means they are taken to the pollice station for questioning, this does not they are imprisoned. I say again.. Them soldiers will not get put away.

One of the four soldiers arrested has been released.  There has never been anything that I have seen saying the other three have been released, but if you have a source that say they are, please feel free to show me.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,,1709524,00.html
"The arrests - which bring the number detained up to three - came as the fallout from the footage saw the provincial council in Basra suspend relations with the British."

UnOriginalNuttah wrote:

raz wrote:

No... ARREST does not mean imprisoned................... You need to show ME footage or proff that they are in jail. Plus, the camera man probably was arrested, he was a joke.. That wasn't proffessional atall.

P.S i saw atliest 10 people involved in the beating, what about them?

Nothing has happened mate, at the MOST maybe 2 of em' will be put  in jail for a month or something.. Or a fine.. LOL but more than likely, they just got a warning.

I only saw pixellation on a few faces, so identification was probably only possible for a few of the soldiers using the video, and we all know they'd protect their mates who can't be identified.  At least if they get some jail time the crime will not have gone completely unpunished, and might discourage similar acts from taking place.  And even if they get off with a warning, at least it will have been acknowledged to be wrong.  I take comfort in the fact that the Army doesn't publicly condone this outrageous behaviour, and hope that they will take strong action due to the damage this incident caused to the reputation of soldiers who are not going round kicking the shit out of civilians.
(edit:typo)

Last edited by lowing (2006-04-10 07:06:03)

Homeschtar wrote:

sfg-Ice__ wrote:

This is funny.  People are complaining that the brits took the time to beat these kids on the asses to, I assume, teach them a lesson while the armored convoys light up anyone who even remotely looks aggressive.  Ask the guys coming back from there.  The marching orders are broad enough that any perception of hostility shall be met with deadly force.  If those kids where doing something which constituted that action they should of been shot.  Damn Brits where doing them a favor by sparing thier lives.

And, personally, I hope that someday that's not what the world is like. Soldiers who "light up" civilians that look aggresive? Soldiers will abuse that, and kill civilians that talked back or gave them a dirty look. Later, the soldier will say, "He was being aggresive". Maybe you were unaware of the fact that 34,000 Iraqi civilians are dead. This "Shoot at aggresive looks" guideline is not helping the body count.

lowing wrote:

stevo1971 wrote:

hi guys. i only registered today after reading this thread because i felt i needed to reply

i am from the UK and i have a pretty good understanding on our military works. over the years our countries forces have probably been involved in more conflicts than any other country. whether it be in conflict ourselves or just policing countries while they get their act together eg bosnia,ireland.. from all this our military has gained much respect.. now u need to understand wot this respect means and how we earn it

if u llok back as far as u like and count how many hijacked planes have landed on our soil, not a lot i can tell u. this is because they know if they come here, then they more than likely aint gonna be leaving. this is down to reputation, and we got a reputation like that by not taking any crap

now for the video.... these gangs in iraq have basically nothing else to do, no jobs etc etc.. so they think its fun to throw rocks and stuff at our troops. now if some1 was throwing rocks at your house 24 hrs a day would u just sit back and take it, or do something about it ? EXACTLY u'd do something.. now as hard as it is to believe the british army actually train ppl to deal with these situations, they are generally refered to as "snatch squads", they operated in northern ireland for years, and wot they do is go out and do wot any1 who was being bullied would do. they find the biggest toughest guy and beat the crap out of him. this sends a message to all his followers and generally it solves the problem.. im sorry if a lot of ppl think that war is turned based game with rules etc.. unfotunatley its not

the snatch squads: as u may have noticed a large percentage of the men in the video are only harmed with batons, now ask urselves, why would the army supply their troops with batons ?? theyre not gonna be much use against an ak47.. they are designed for one purpose only and thats to hit ppl with.. now these squads are trained how to beat ppl believe it or not. u may notice that apart from the guy who get kicked in the balls every1 else basically gets beasted around there arms and legs. these guys are trained NOT to damage parts of the body where the vital organs are

as u say the commentator is a little too pumped on steroids for my liking, and personally he probably had a good beasting himself after the video was released to the press.. wot happens in a war should stay there. there are more than likely 1000's of videos like this in the possession of troops, the only difference is is that they probably aren't retarded enuff to give them to the press like this idiot did

Well said.

Interesting about the "snatch squads" I never heard of it before but I like the concept.

I also agree with you on when you commented about the British not "taking any crap". A reputation well punctuated during the Battle of Britian. I am a bit of a history buff and regardless of how the UK feels about the US now,  I will always have respect for your country and your history.

UnOriginalNuttah wrote:

raz wrote:

No... ARREST does not mean imprisoned................... You need to show ME footage or proff that they are in jail. Plus, the camera man probably was arrested, he was a joke.. That wasn't proffessional atall.

P.S i saw atliest 10 people involved in the beating, what about them?

Nothing has happened mate, at the MOST maybe 2 of em' will be put  in jail for a month or something.. Or a fine.. LOL but more than likely, they just got a warning.

I only saw pixellation on a few faces, so identification was probably only possible for a few of the soldiers using the video, and we all know they'd protect their mates who can't be identified.  At least if they get some jail time the crime will not have gone completely unpunished, and might discourage similar acts from taking place.  And even if they get off with a warning, at least it will have been acknowledged to be wrong.  I take comfort in the fact that the Army doesn't publicly condone this outrageous behaviour, and hope that they will take strong action due to the damage this incident caused to the reputation of soldiers who are not going round kicking the shit out of civilians.

(edit:typo)

UnOriginalNuttah wrote:

The soldiers who abuse human rights are more guilty of undermining potential good than I am by holding the view that it is wrong to abuse human rights

Last edited by raz (2006-04-10 08:32:37)

lowing wrote:

stevo1971 wrote:

hi guys. i only registered today after reading this thread because i felt i needed to reply

i am from the UK and i have a pretty good understanding on our military works. over the years our countries forces have probably been involved in more conflicts than any other country. whether it be in conflict ourselves or just policing countries while they get their act together eg bosnia,ireland.. from all this our military has gained much respect.. now u need to understand wot this respect means and how we earn it

if u llok back as far as u like and count how many hijacked planes have landed on our soil, not a lot i can tell u. this is because they know if they come here, then they more than likely aint gonna be leaving. this is down to reputation, and we got a reputation like that by not taking any crap

now for the video.... these gangs in iraq have basically nothing else to do, no jobs etc etc.. so they think its fun to throw rocks and stuff at our troops. now if some1 was throwing rocks at your house 24 hrs a day would u just sit back and take it, or do something about it ? EXACTLY u'd do something.. now as hard as it is to believe the british army actually train ppl to deal with these situations, they are generally refered to as "snatch squads", they operated in northern ireland for years, and wot they do is go out and do wot any1 who was being bullied would do. they find the biggest toughest guy and beat the crap out of him. this sends a message to all his followers and generally it solves the problem.. im sorry if a lot of ppl think that war is turned based game with rules etc.. unfotunatley its not

the snatch squads: as u may have noticed a large percentage of the men in the video are only harmed with batons, now ask urselves, why would the army supply their troops with batons ?? theyre not gonna be much use against an ak47.. they are designed for one purpose only and thats to hit ppl with.. now these squads are trained how to beat ppl believe it or not. u may notice that apart from the guy who get kicked in the balls every1 else basically gets beasted around there arms and legs. these guys are trained NOT to damage parts of the body where the vital organs are

as u say the commentator is a little too pumped on steroids for my liking, and personally he probably had a good beasting himself after the video was released to the press.. wot happens in a war should stay there. there are more than likely 1000's of videos like this in the possession of troops, the only difference is is that they probably aren't retarded enuff to give them to the press like this idiot did

Well said.

Interesting about the "snatch squads" I never heard of it before but I like the concept.

I also agree with you on when you commented about the British not "taking any crap". A reputation well punctuated during the Battle of Britian. I am a bit of a history buff and regardless of how the UK feels about the US now,  I will always have respect for your country and your history.

Last edited by stevo1971 (2006-04-10 09:33:38)

paranoid101 wrote:

On how I feel about this mater.

Will the soldiers get Prosecuted? Yep I think so, manly because of the knee jerk reaction from the press.

Do I think they should be Prosecuted? No not in a million years, what them so call Iraqi kids got from the British soldiers was nothing, compared to what they would have recieved from there own troops/police.

Was the Guy speaking on the video a prick? Absolutely.

Do I think they broke Human rights? Debatable, the sad thing is, It depends on which side you are on, as I have said before it not all Black and White, but many differant shades of grey.

The thing about bringing  up the Human rights angle is you have to have balance.

What about the Poor six British Red Caps who were killed a bit ago, they were Probably killed by a mob Similar to the one in this video and no one has been brought to justice and probably no one will.

Where was their Human Rights?

What about all the Innocent Iraqi people killed every day by the Insurgents?

Where are their Human rights?

What about all those hostages who have been beheaded on the internet?

Where was their Human rights?

The sad thing is the enemy isnt using the Geneva Convention and doesnt give a damn about Human rights and doesnt play by the rules of War.

But we are.

Thats why this makes the News headlines and Iraqi people being blown up by the Insurgents every day only makes a footnote at the bottom of the page.

What the troops did was Probably wrong, but that said I can understand why they did it and I totaly agree in what they did.

And If they do end up being punished about this, then Its not Justice.

They say Justice is blind and in this case it might be deaf too about common sense.

Peace out.