Bill of Rights

2009-09-04 04:04:21

#76

Burwhale: Save the BlobFish!; +136|6511|Brisneyland

From Australias point of veiw, I guess we havent really had the need for a BoR. The current system seems to work pretty well, and theres a chance another level of authority would complicate things. I must admit that I am not sure where I stand on this one. A BoR seems pretty harmless on one hand ( so why not get one), on the other hand it will complicate things, and we havent needed it yet.

Cybargs wrote:
There is but they all like the idea of shitty internet and big ass firewalls.

Funny none of this has happened yet. There was a voluntary internet filter trial ( which looks doomed), and the govt is planning a seriously fast National Broadband network.

2009-09-04 05:35:51

#77

FEOS: Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate; +1,182|6700|'Murka

Spark wrote:
FEOS wrote:
BN wrote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separation … _Australia

Our businesses are far more regulated that the US

We have independent bodies that sit above banking & finance, police, telecommunications, workplace, federal agencies, etc
I meant checks and balances between the branches of government, not regulatory agencies.
The opposition here performs many, many more roles than the equivalent in Congress. That's our main check and balance.

That's not really checks and balances...that's just politics.

Checks and balances built into the government's structure is what I was referring to. The separation of powers between branches, giving each of the three some control over key aspects of the others.

“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular

2009-09-04 07:12:36

#78

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,817|6395|eXtreme to the maX

The problem with political checks and balances is they can be swept away very quickly.
Blink and they're gone.

People in Britain and Australia don't realise that.

Fuck Israel

2009-09-04 11:32:41

#79

Cybargs: Moderated; +2,285|7005

Burwhale wrote:
From Australias point of veiw, I guess we havent really had the need for a BoR. The current system seems to work pretty well, and theres a chance another level of authority would complicate things. I must admit that I am not sure where I stand on this one. A BoR seems pretty harmless on one hand ( so why not get one), on the other hand it will complicate things, and we havent needed it yet.

Cybargs wrote:
There is but they all like the idea of shitty internet and big ass firewalls.
Funny none of this has happened yet. There was a voluntary internet filter trial ( which looks doomed), and the govt is planning a seriously fast National Broadband network.

They've been talking broadband for years.

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2009-09-04 15:04:16

#80

Burwhale: Save the BlobFish!; +136|6511|Brisneyland

They started building it in Tasmania already.

2009-09-04 15:47:03

#81

Little BaBy JESUS: m8; +394|6437|'straya

Burwhale wrote:
They started building it in Tasmania already.

Fuckin' hate Tasmania

OT: Seriously, if it ain't broke, why fix it.

2009-09-04 15:50:46

#82

Burwhale: Save the BlobFish!; +136|6511|Brisneyland

I guess its just in case it gets broke in the future. So a future govt cant take away some basic human rights. Its unlikely, but there you go.

2009-09-04 17:14:05

#83

Little BaBy JESUS: m8; +394|6437|'straya

Yeah, although as I said before. To take away basic human rights in Australia you would have to abolish our democratic government first anyway.

2009-09-04 23:32:10

#84

Turquoise: O Canada; +1,596|6694|North Carolina

Burwhale wrote:
From Australias point of veiw, I guess we havent really had the need for a BoR. The current system seems to work pretty well, and theres a chance another level of authority would complicate things. I must admit that I am not sure where I stand on this one. A BoR seems pretty harmless on one hand ( so why not get one), on the other hand it will complicate things, and we havent needed it yet.

Cybargs wrote:
There is but they all like the idea of shitty internet and big ass firewalls.
Funny none of this has happened yet. There was a voluntary internet filter trial ( which looks doomed), and the govt is planning a seriously fast National Broadband network.

What has happened with regard to censorship in Australia is the blacklist.

I'd link you to more information about it, but it would risk getting fined by your government.

2009-09-05 08:09:02

#85

BN: smells like wee wee; +159|7057

Turquoise wrote:
What has happened with regard to censorship in Australia is the blacklist.

I'd link you to more information about it, but it would risk getting fined by your government.

The trials haven't gone well. Lots of problems + the budget for it is tiny.

The opposition has called for it to be abandoned. I doubt it will see the New Year.

2009-09-05 14:16:03

#86

Turquoise: O Canada; +1,596|6694|North Carolina

BN wrote:
Turquoise wrote:
What has happened with regard to censorship in Australia is the blacklist.

I'd link you to more information about it, but it would risk getting fined by your government.
The trials haven't gone well. Lots of problems + the budget for it is tiny.

The opposition has called for it to be abandoned. I doubt it will see the New Year.

For Australia's sake, I hope you are right.

2009-09-05 17:26:28

#87

RAIMIUS: You with the face!; +244|7003|US

Little BaBy JESUS wrote:
Yeah, although as I said before. To take away basic human rights in Australia you would have to abolish our democratic government first anyway.

Yeah, because no democratic govenment has ever denied basic rights before./sarcasm
The US slaughtered indian tribes, wrongfully imprisoned Japanese-Americans, etc...
Your blind faith in democratic government is displaced.

2009-09-05 17:30:44

#88

mcminty: Moderating your content for the Australian Govt.; +879|7010|Sydney, Australia

Turquoise wrote:
Burwhale wrote:
From Australias point of veiw, I guess we havent really had the need for a BoR. The current system seems to work pretty well, and theres a chance another level of authority would complicate things. I must admit that I am not sure where I stand on this one. A BoR seems pretty harmless on one hand ( so why not get one), on the other hand it will complicate things, and we havent needed it yet.

Cybargs wrote:
There is but they all like the idea of shitty internet and big ass firewalls.
Funny none of this has happened yet. There was a voluntary internet filter trial ( which looks doomed), and the govt is planning a seriously fast National Broadband network.
What has happened with regard to censorship in Australia is the blacklist.

I'd link you to more information about it, but it would risk getting fined by your government.

It's going nowhere. Fast.

http://www.smh.com.au/technology/techno … -f7n3.html

2009-09-05 18:47:40

#89

Little BaBy JESUS: m8; +394|6437|'straya

RAIMIUS wrote:
Little BaBy JESUS wrote:
Yeah, although as I said before. To take away basic human rights in Australia you would have to abolish our democratic government first anyway.
Yeah, because no democratic govenment has ever denied basic rights before./sarcasm
The US slaughtered indian tribes, wrongfully imprisoned Japanese-Americans, etc...
Your blind faith in democratic government is displaced.

And yet your Bill of Rights didn't seem to stop it either?
So really it's just a useless piece of paper.

Last edited by Little BaBy JESUS (2009-09-05 18:48:18)

2009-09-05 20:51:00

#90

Turquoise: O Canada; +1,596|6694|North Carolina

mcminty wrote:
Turquoise wrote:
Burwhale wrote:
From Australias point of veiw, I guess we havent really had the need for a BoR. The current system seems to work pretty well, and theres a chance another level of authority would complicate things. I must admit that I am not sure where I stand on this one. A BoR seems pretty harmless on one hand ( so why not get one), on the other hand it will complicate things, and we havent needed it yet.

Funny none of this has happened yet. There was a voluntary internet filter trial ( which looks doomed), and the govt is planning a seriously fast National Broadband network.
What has happened with regard to censorship in Australia is the blacklist.

I'd link you to more information about it, but it would risk getting fined by your government.
It's going nowhere. Fast.

http://www.smh.com.au/technology/techno … -f7n3.html

I sincerely hope this means that the people responsible for making this travesty lose their next election and that all those harassed as a result of it are reimbursed by your government.

It still disturbs me that this was even pushed through to begin with. Then again, there are plenty of things my government has done that disturb me as well.

2009-09-05 21:13:10

#91

FEOS: Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate; +1,182|6700|'Murka

Little BaBy JESUS wrote:
RAIMIUS wrote:
Little BaBy JESUS wrote:
Yeah, although as I said before. To take away basic human rights in Australia you would have to abolish our democratic government first anyway.
Yeah, because no democratic govenment has ever denied basic rights before./sarcasm
The US slaughtered indian tribes, wrongfully imprisoned Japanese-Americans, etc...
Your blind faith in democratic government is displaced.
And yet your Bill of Rights didn't seem to stop it either?
So really it's just a useless piece of paper.

No, because it was that "useless piece of paper" that was referred to in order to correct those transgressions.

“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular

2009-09-05 21:50:50

#92

Little BaBy JESUS: m8; +394|6437|'straya

It didn't stop it happening.

2009-09-06 00:02:53

#93

Burwhale: Save the BlobFish!; +136|6511|Brisneyland

Turq wrote:
I sincerely hope this means that the people responsible for making this travesty lose their next election and that all those harassed as a result of it are reimbursed by your government.

According to the minister, the blacklist was actually created by the previous govt. This govt was just looking at ways to make those sites hard to access. It is shit policy and will be discarded soon.

2009-09-06 01:04:15

#94

Little BaBy JESUS: m8; +394|6437|'straya

Burwhale wrote:
Turq wrote:
I sincerely hope this means that the people responsible for making this travesty lose their next election and that all those harassed as a result of it are reimbursed by your government.
According to the minister, the blacklist was actually created by the previous govt. This govt was just looking at ways to make those sites hard to access. It is shit policy and will be discarded soon.

I never actually believed it would go through. Quickest way to get voted out is to take away the country's porn.

2009-09-06 03:04:46

#95

Burwhale: Save the BlobFish!; +136|6511|Brisneyland

Maybe we can get that included in our Bill of Rights.
"The Right to Porn"

2009-09-06 03:23:00

#96

Little BaBy JESUS: m8; +394|6437|'straya

Burwhale wrote:
Maybe we can get that included in our Bill of Rights.
"The Right to Porn"

All other's pale in comparison to the sheer awesomeness of this one.

2009-09-06 06:28:02

#97

BN: smells like wee wee; +159|7057

Little BaBy JESUS wrote:
Burwhale wrote:
Turq wrote:
I sincerely hope this means that the people responsible for making this travesty lose their next election and that all those harassed as a result of it are reimbursed by your government.
According to the minister, the blacklist was actually created by the previous govt. This govt was just looking at ways to make those sites hard to access. It is shit policy and will be discarded soon.
I never actually believed it would go through. Quickest way to get voted out is to take away the country's porn.

XXX porn is already illegal here.

2009-09-06 13:55:35

#98

RAIMIUS: You with the face!; +244|7003|US

Little BaBy JESUS wrote:
It didn't stop it happening.

True, but it was used to end it, and create rules so it wouldn't happen again.
Most civil rights in the US can be traced back to the BoR for their legal origins.

2009-09-06 14:02:25

#99

Turquoise: O Canada; +1,596|6694|North Carolina

RAIMIUS wrote:
Little BaBy JESUS wrote:
It didn't stop it happening.
True, but it was used to end it, and create rules so it wouldn't happen again.
Most civil rights in the US can be traced back to the BoR for their legal origins.

Pretty much... The general idea is that if the government transgresses on civil rights, then a formal doctrine denying said transgression can eventually result in an overturning of the offending policy.

The most blatant example of this is Plessy v. Ferguson being reversed by Brown v. Board of Education.

So to our Australian friends, a doctrine may not prevent your government from infringing on your rights, but it certainly helps in eventually reversing the damage.

2009-09-06 14:57:51

#100

FEOS: Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate; +1,182|6700|'Murka

Little BaBy JESUS wrote:
It didn't stop it happening.

Nothing written on paper stops ANYTHING from happening. Only the actions of man, based on what's written on pieces of paper.

“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular

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