Last edited by NeoCommander (2006-04-08 19:14:26)
What servers are you talking about?The Buzz wrote:
Nyte plays on servers where most are newbies, cause his guide applies only when playing novice players.
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I've been hired to kill you... and you... and Nyte
Last edited by usmarine2005 (2006-04-08 12:06:37)
OWNED! *ahem* In all seriousness though, Archon here is making some great points here, Nyte, swallow the ego if you actually want to make a proper guide.TrueArchon wrote:
Some interesting comments on the "guide" but too strict in feel for my tastes on a few issues. I'm gonna comment on some stuff, but keep in mind I'm an avid sniper player. However, I've also put a decent amount of time in the other "kit" roles to see the other side of things, as well.Nyte wrote:
RULE 2: Find a good hiding spot
This is BS.Gotta agree with Todd. It's not BS if it's still practical to be in a good sniping position that happens to:Todd_Angelo wrote:
Not entirely but still a worthwhile point.
A. Provide cover on at least two sides for you.
B. Provide concealment from passive enemy searches.
C. Is a spot that an enemy is not going to immediately assumed as a "usual" sniping environment (i.e. building tops, mountain tops, etc.).Good point, but a sniper shouldn't be stupid about it, either. Honestly, most of my deaths as a sniper can be attributed to lone flag capture attempts, and not for the lack of trying or decent tactics. Plain and simple in this game...Nyte wrote:
RULE 5: Snipers don't capture flags
Fuck you yes they do. ....
Unless you're facing complete rookie players, three machine gun toting enemies are very likely gonna gun you down AND keep their flag... like it or not.Gotta disagree with you on both accounts.Nyte wrote:
.... Snipers are the 2nd most powerful unit for capturing flags losing only to Armor users. ....
Snipers and armor should be covering from a distance, and supporting a fire team to take the flag. Sorry, but snipers, up close, without body armor, without a decent close range weapon, are looking to get killed (if not by enemy fire, but friendly fire as well). A good sniper covers from a moderate distance, waits for the flag to neutralize, THEN moves in to finish the capture. Not to mention he can spot out hidden enemies that he can see from his vantage point to the squad making the capture.
Likewise, the turrets of armor turn too slowly to avoid becoming a C4 sandwich to a sneaky spec-ops guy (let alone a mine-totting engineer) who just happened to spawn in behind you limited view. Wasting valuable pieces of team equipment in such a manner doesn't help the team.Good points on the claymores... if you got them. Same with taking out distant enemies looking to RETAKE a flag. However, what about the enemies that just happened to spawn before you neutralize the flag? Claymores are good, but not the end-all, be-all in reliability. That's the problem with "fire and forget" munitions over a reactive squads, with heavy firepower, that are covering separate directions.Nyte wrote:
.... You have 2 claymores which are basically going to push out any opposition advancing to kill you. Just set it and forget it, while you are there holding your sniper rifle taking down farther targets advancing in. A rule of thumb though, NEVER place claymores facing the same way near each other, else both will get set off.I must reiterate my above comments to this. A good flag-capturing sniper is one who supports a squad from a moderate distance... until flag neutralization. A bad flag-capturing sniper is the lone Rambo that contributes to the team's ticket losses because he got outgunned. From the other, above mentioned, extreme: if you're not making kills at a distance, at least you're not contributing to deaths either. There has to be some middle ground and thought put into flag-capturing tactics.Nyte wrote:
RULE 6: Snipers should always stay in the back
While this may be true in some games, it isn't in here. Doing this will not only make you useless for the team, but it make you bored real damn fast. Why useless? Because in the end, you don't accomplish alot for the team; no flag capping, no flag holding (maybe a little), most likely less kills than half of the team, and not enough fear being put in the enemy.Kills are just as important in the game as flag captures, because both take away from the ticket totals. However, as you pointed out, overall team goal of winning is still important. So, a sniper who ISN'T making kills isn't contributing to the overall team goal of winning.Todd_Angelo wrote:
Course they should, unless all you're playing for is kills and you don't care about the team's goals.
Trust me, there are plenty of times that I've sat somewhere terrorizing a spawn point with kills that often resulted in a sniper-manhunt that ended in at least three enemy troops (and commander artillery strikes against lil' ole' me) gunning for me instead of capturing flags. That's just as important a role as taking the flags, AND is often not even noticed by the rest of the team.Interesting, but very likely gonna get you killed against any good player who happens to get a quick three or four accurate rapid fire rounds against you. Snipers aren't the only ones with "skills" out there, and meeting your nemesis who happens to be good with a G3 or SCAR can end you day just as easily.Nyte wrote:
To be effective, you want to lower the morale of the enemy by being CRAZY AGGRESSIVE...Nyte wrote:
see a 6 man squad? Run in their with your claymore!Couldn't have said it much better, Todd. Oh yeah, there's also that claymore "arming time" thing too. Don't know how many claymores I've ran past, gunning down the sniper, without any reprisal. Even if there happens to be a reprisal, what's the best you got in the end? He got you, and you got him?Todd_Angelo wrote:
Well, maybe at short range but at anything longer, against players of even average skill, you might be facing two M4s, an MG36 and a SAW, an M16 and an L85A1 - and you're toast.HELL YEAH!!! Following you so far...Nyte wrote:
RULE 6: Be the predator, not the idiot ...Huh? You're starting lose me as reality rears it's ugly head in my peripheral. You want me to give up the fact that I have position AND first strike initiative to get in closer to his machine-gun that lays down at least 600 rpm? No thanks, I'll take the likely kill assist from safety, or a patient second shot kill, over the chance of rambo-like battle charge that ends in a possible death. Heck, it's not even rambo-like... at least Rambo had dual M60s!Nyte wrote:
... Hit someone with an M95 but they ran away? Hunt their ass down with your pistol junior! ...Honestly, it's not the rookie/newbies I'm worried about in your above "rule." It's the G3 assault veteran who happens to realize that all he has to do is dodge around a bit until he deploys his smoke grenade in the general direction that he was hit from. You're overall conclusive opinion that someone who is running around, dodging, and hiding as "scared" isn't taking into the simple account that a moving target is a harder target to hit. ESPECIALLY when the sniper you're dodging against has position and first strike against you!Nyte wrote:
.... It's a psychological effect for people to run and hide when they have 2 bars of HP left. They are SCARED of you, they are most likely shaking their hands while holding the mouse. ....
As amusing as it sounds, the person you may be assuming as "shaking their hand while holding the mouse" may just as likely be buying himself time to formulate a plan to take himself out of a dangerous disadvantage, and possible reverse the roles against you. That's at least what I'd be doing. :shrug:... And the 1.8 second bolt reload action vs. the needed two bullets (out of five shots) to kill you isn't a factor in your arithmetic?Nyte wrote:
.... See 5 snipers in the distance aiming at you? That's why M95 has 5 bullets! ....... And I've seen many a player (myself included) switch his G3/SCAR/AK-47 to semi-auto, drop to a crouch, fire one shot, take a side step, crouch, fire a second shot, and rinse-repeat until a kill was achieved. Besides, if spraying happens to be your only option, would you rather foregoe that in favor of rolling up and exposing your soft underbelly in defeat? Not I. I'd rather at least go for a half-way lucky head shot instead.Nyte wrote:
... I've seen many a player spraying for no apparent reason in the distance when I hit them in the body with my M95, I call that PHEAR. ...
Honestly, Nyte, for anyone to take you seriously on a "sniper guide," you need to make it seem less of a public gloat session. No one's dismissing your talent with the sniper kit, especially if they look at your scores. However, it's also not like you're going out there and smiting the infidels with your mighty sniper rifle without reprisal, either. You make good points, but cheapin' them with comments like the last two I rebuttled too.
I use:WarrioR.WithiN wrote:
NyTE:
Great guide, question about something you could add...
What sort of hardware do you have?
What sort of in-game settings do you think work best for a sniper?
i.e. Mouse Sensitivity
Which shadow/lighting settings work best for sniping/what do you use?
etc. , etc.
keep it up
OMG the M95 isnt fucking inaccurate!! [!!] You cant shoot or you cant estimate bullet dropsenor_fulff wrote:
guide from someone who is hardly god-like.
M95 is powerful but is inaccurate and noisy.
M24 or L96A1 are deadly accurate and still only require 1 extra pistol shot than M95 if you miss the headshot.
Type 88 and SVD are for people who can't hit headshots regularly. Pop guns.
L96A1 contrary to popular belief has less bullet drop than all other rifles.
Last edited by Defiance (2006-04-09 02:49:33)
He means use whatever you have in your hands. If a helo is smoking, hit it with anything you can, throw rocks if you have to (If you could that is). If it crashes, whoever hit it last gets the kill.dshak wrote:
I just noticed... one of his rules is to always take out choppers/vehicles... something like "you have a weapon that can take out choopers." I can only assume this means the M95... then later he says never to use the M95.
What gives?
In response to the underlined section, this is exactly the reason why the M95 is difficult to fire accurately (especially for extreme distance headshots). Despite that, it is still less accurate than the M24 or L96, and noticeably so to dedicated snipers. Honestly, the L96 was, and still is the best unlock I could have gotten, IMO. At least for my preferred genre of bf2. The other sniper rifles have their uses, but the L96 is definitely my favorite.Defiance wrote:
Nyte, your good, but not that good. You are not god.
Although, thanks for making the 9023829104520984130958192849013852943768493758
1273497130493719857235491732572698732573209571563275327512375th sniper guide for noobies.
The reason people think the M95 is innaccurate is because they don't know how to line up shots with thicker x-hairs.
Cmon folks, get with the program. It's not hard to figure out.
Actually i can shoot and estimate bullet drop. It is just not as accurate as L96A1 or M24. As for nailing standing headshots at 300m, that is not crash hot, I've nailed headshots on moving targets by north village from arty island on wake and that is 400m.lord_tyler_486 wrote:
OMG the M95 isnt fucking inaccurate!! [!!] You cant shoot or you cant estimate bullet dropsenor_fulff wrote:
guide from someone who is hardly god-like.
M95 is powerful but is inaccurate and noisy.
M24 or L96A1 are deadly accurate and still only require 1 extra pistol shot than M95 if you miss the headshot.
Type 88 and SVD are for people who can't hit headshots regularly. Pop guns.
L96A1 contrary to popular belief has less bullet drop than all other rifles.
Damn Ive tested its accuracy with a friend on Dalian plant, and it can even nail headshots at 300 meters while standing