Lai
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In another thread someone quoted me saying that my post was rather "deep". It reminded me of an evening I was having an Ottoman banquet with a few Slovenians. We all had our share of Nemean wine and cheap whiskey, and they asked me to say something deep. In return I posed them a question:

Have you ever seen Aladdin? You remember the part where the djinn tells him he can wish for anything except for someone falling in love with him? Aladdin then decides to take a detour and wishes to became a prince so he may court the princess, apparently that ís allowed. But why does the rule exist in the first place?
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|6909|London, England
Because <insert cliché sentence about love being more special than magic>
Lai
Member
+186|6439

Mekstizzle wrote:

Because <insert cliché sentence about love being more special than magic>
That would still be merely an observation, not an explanation
Buckles
Cheeky Keen
+329|6844|Kent, UK
Because it's against the Genie Code to alter or influence someone's free will.

That and it's make for a pretty shit movie if she just fell in love with him for the beginning.
Lai
Member
+186|6439

Buckles wrote:

Because it's against the Genie Code to alter or influence someone's free will.

That and it's make for a pretty shit movie if she just fell in love with him for the beginning.
Lol,.. I agree with the latter, evidently. But the Genie Code, you still haven't explained why it is in the code or why it is considered wrong to influence someone's free will.
Lai
Member
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Pochsy wrote:

So let's get this straight. You posted this "deep" question on an internet gaming forum because you managed to have a group of drunken Slovenians ponder a question drawn from a movie even 10 year old children understand?

Also, Buckles has it right; I'm fairly sure the genie even explains it right before setting out the only rule.

EDIT- Don't come back and ask another faggoty question about the nature of free will or domination.
That is exactly the whole point, 10 year old children never get past Buckles' observation. They simply accept the given rule, without questioning the underlying rethoric. So far none of you have been able to provide a satisfactory answer either.

The person who gives me the correct answer, I will karma thrice!
Pochsy
Artifice of Eternity
+702|5831|Toronto

Lai wrote:

Pochsy wrote:

So let's get this straight. You posted this "deep" question on an internet gaming forum because you managed to have a group of drunken Slovenians ponder a question drawn from a movie even 10 year old children understand?

Also, Buckles has it right; I'm fairly sure the genie even explains it right before setting out the only rule.

EDIT- Don't come back and ask another faggoty question about the nature of free will or domination.
That is exactly the whole point, 10 year old children never get past Buckles' observation. They simply accept the given rule, without questioning the underlying rethoric. So far none of you have been able to provide a satisfactory answer either.

The person who gives me the correct answer, I will karma thrice!
No, no, you've missed the call. I've already asked you (in my edit) not to attempt an explanation of the nature of free will or our disposition towards domination, and thus the elimination of free will.

By questions the source of your inspiration I hoped to incite your better judgement and not attempt a discussion built on such a lousy foundation. Bf2s is no better than a drunken Slovenian; I suggest you go read some serious philosophy.
The shape of an eye in front of the ocean, digging for stones and throwing them against its window pane. Take it down dreamer, take it down deep. - Other Families
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|6909|London, England

Lai wrote:

Mekstizzle wrote:

Because <insert cliché sentence about love being more special than magic>
That would still be merely an observation, not an explanation
No, it is an explanation. You're asking why did they make it so the Genie can't just make the Princess fall in love with the dude. I'm merly pointing to all the bullshit that the entertainment world (that ranges from poets, to movies) says about love. And that there's no need to repeat it all as it's always in your face anyway, and everyone knows the basic structure of it.

It's sort of a no brainer. There is no deep philosophical meaning to it. It's just how shit is.
Lai
Member
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Pochsy wrote:

No, no, you've missed the call. I've already asked you (in my edit) not to attempt an explanation of the nature of free will or our disposition towards domination, and thus the elimination of free will.

By questions the source of your inspiration I hoped to incite your better judgement and not attempt a discussion built on such a lousy foundation. Bf2s is no better than a drunken Slovenian; I suggest you go read some serious philosophy.
I've read your request and frankly I don't give a shit. I for one did not make this thread to suit your everyday Western assumptions. For the given scenario you take for granted "our disposition towards domination, and thus the elimination of free will". I think for anyone to take anything for granted, they should also be able to justify taking it for granted. Turning it around by saying it is justified because it is commonly taken for granted is no proper argumentation. I daresay a drunken Slovenian can do better.

Tbh I really hate the guts out of Aladdin and frankly any other animated Disney production. The only way I want to see Bambi is on a plate. I provided the example of Aladdin and the wish to illustrate why eliminating someone's free will, at least in this scenario, can not work.

Mekstizzle wrote:

Lai wrote:

Mekstizzle wrote:

Because <insert cliché sentence about love being more special than magic>
That would still be merely an observation, not an explanation
No, it is an explanation. You're asking why did they make it so the Genie can't just make the Princess fall in love with the dude. I'm merly pointing to all the bullshit that the entertainment world (that ranges from poets, to movies) says about love. And that there's no need to repeat it all as it's always in your face anyway, and everyone knows the basic structure of it.

It's sort of a no brainer. There is no deep philosophical meaning to it. It's just how shit is.
I agree with you fully, Disney is practically synonymous for cliche. I also firmly believe that the "genius" who wrote the script for Aladdin, wrote it on the same taken for-granted-basis as proposed by Buckles and Pochsy. Yet I'm not asking you to provide me a Disney explanation, I'm asking you if you could think of a deeper philosophical meaning if you had to ascribe one.

Last edited by Lai (2009-08-29 08:42:31)

Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|6870|SE London

Lai wrote:

Have you ever seen Aladdin? You remember the part where the djinn tells him he can wish for anything except for someone falling in love with him? Aladdin then decides to take a detour and wishes to became a prince so he may court the princess, apparently that ís allowed. But why does the rule exist in the first place?
It doesn't. It is an invention by Disney which played no part in the original story, which is mostly set in China.

They also missed out all the stuff about his magic ring and Aladdin managing to get the princesses marriage to another man rendered null and void so he could marry her himself.

Lai wrote:

Yet I'm not asking you to provide me a Disney explanation, I'm asking you if you could think of a deeper philosophical meaning if you had to ascribe one.
But it's a Disney invention. If you're not getting a Disney explanation, then you're getting an explanation that is out of context and not very meaningful.

Last edited by Bertster7 (2009-08-29 09:52:36)

Buckles
Cheeky Keen
+329|6844|Kent, UK

Buckles wrote:

Because it's against the Genie Code to alter or influence someone's free will.

That and it's make for a pretty shit movie if she just fell in love with him for the beginning.
Shahter
Zee Ruskie
+295|7063|Moscow, Russia
@OP remind me: what is "love" again?
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
FatherTed
xD
+3,936|6788|so randum
wtf is going on
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Turquoise
O Canada
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FatherTed wrote:

wtf is going on
Hurricane2k9
Pendulous Sweaty Balls
+1,538|5990|College Park, MD
It was because nobody would suspect the Prince of spreading anthrax throughout the town.
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Pug
UR father's brother's nephew's former roommate
+652|6830|Texas - Bigger than France

Lai wrote:

In another thread someone quoted me saying that my post was rather "deep". It reminded me of an evening I was having an Ottoman banquet with a few Slovenians. We all had our share of Nemean wine and cheap whiskey, and they asked me to say something deep. In return I posed them a question:

Have you ever seen Aladdin? You remember the part where the djinn tells him he can wish for anything except for someone falling in love with him? Aladdin then decides to take a detour and wishes to became a prince so he may court the princess, apparently that ís allowed. But why does the rule exist in the first place?
Because the only magic that works with whores is money.

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