yo all are just too blind to see....and choose to not see....Christ is Truth
total agreementSilentNoise105 wrote:
Well first off...thank you spark for the props on my comment. Secondly, I think spark has a good idea going there too. Even though I personally am athiest I feel safe if there is a god because of spark's reasoning (or at least what he was pointing out).
I feel that if god judges based soley on whether you believe in him or not, he is not a just almighty being. If he sends you to hell for not believing in him or for having a free will, he seems more like an attention-craving kid, or a dictator. So if that is the case, then i could honestly care less if there is a god or not because the "system" of good or evil wouldn't be just. Like spark said, a horrible person could go to heaven just because he believes in god while a really good person deserving to go doesn't because he doesn't have faith. Who could say which side is which with that type of reasoning?
Buuuuttttttttt......if god is truly a judge on whether someone is of good nature and morality or not, i feel that i've lived a pretty good life along those lines. i'm not the best person, or anywhere close, but i am a "good" person. I've tried to make good decisions and do the right things, and if heaven is really the place where the good souls go, i think it'll be based on the actual person's character and not whether they believe in god or not.
and so that is my reasoning for why I'm not scared of not believing in god....in case anyone wanted that opinion.
Thank you gunslinger, glad you agree with me.
Siciliano732 on the other hand, thank you for contributing absolutely nothing. Good job. Makes me proud to be "blind".
Siciliano732 on the other hand, thank you for contributing absolutely nothing. Good job. Makes me proud to be "blind".
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when I bring up a contradiction in sicilianos beliefs he ignores my post and goes to another subject...typical.
And to all the other religions that ever were, and ever will be, [Insert deity name here] is Truth.siciliano732 wrote:
yo all are just too blind to see....and choose to not see....Christ is Truth
What makes you so good? Why are you more right? You of course think you are right, and you are entitled to do so. You cannot, however, label people in such a derogatory fashion and make such propogandistic assertions.siciliano732 wrote:
yo all are just too blind to see....and choose to not see....Christ is Truth
What makes you better than Muslims? Jews? Buddhists? Hindus? Sikhs? Taoists? Bahaiists? Atheists? If you have no reasonable explanation, it goes to follow that you think you KNOW (without basis) that you (and your religion) are superior. This is defined as self-centeredness.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
He didnt say hes better than everyone. He is true though.
just because you and him share an opinion does not mean it is true.JaMDuDe wrote:
He didnt say hes better than everyone. He is true though.
Yeah it is true. Some people read the bible and it means nothing to them and they dont get it. Then they read it again when they are looking or have chosin God and it means everything. You guys just cant understand the greatness of God with simple science.
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and you understand the "greatness" of GOD, just because a priest tells you how GOD is love an fairness equality and the Great creater of everything.JaMDuDe wrote:
Yeah it is true. Some people read the bible and it means nothing to them and they dont get it. Then they read it again when they are looking or have chosin God and it means everything. You guys just cant understand the greatness of God with simple science.
Im not catholic so we dont have priests, we have a pastor. Im not an idiot who is going to worship air just because the pastor tells me to. If you pray, go to church, and read the bible u can see more of what God is doing in life. Look outside and u can see some amazing things that He created.
This attitude has plagued religion for as long as history can remember. Unfortunately, it gets the most attention. I'm religious, but I don't go about egging mosques or picketing out in front of Christian churches, calling their women whores of Satan.Q: Do you believe in God?
A: No.
*BANG!*
Q: Do you believe in God?
A: Yes.
Q: Do you believe in my God?
A: No.
*BANG!*
Q: Do you believe in God?
A: Yes.
Q: Do you believe in my God?
A: Yes.
Q: Do you believe in my God in the way that I do?
A: No.
*BANG!*
Q: Do you believe in God?
A: Yes.
Q: Do you believe in my God?
A: Yes.
Q: Do you believe in my God in the way that I do?
A: Yes.
Q: Do you go to my Church?
A: No.
*BANG!*
Q: Do you believe in God?
A: Yes.
Q: Do you believe in my God?
A: Yes.
Q: Do you believe in my God in the way that I do?
A: Yes.
Q: Do you go to my Church?
A: Yes.
Q: Do you live in the same region I do?
A: No.
*BANG!*
Q: Do you believe in God?
A: Yes.
Q: Do you believe in my God?
A: Yes.
Q: Do you believe in my God in the way that I do?
A: Yes.
Q: Do you go to my Church?
A: Yes.
Q: Do you live in the same region I do?
A: Yes.
Q: Are you family?
A: No.
*BANG!*
Q: Do you believe in God?
A: Yes.
Q: Do you believe in my God?
A: Yes.
Q: Do you believe in my God in the way that I do?
A: Yes.
Q: Do you go to my Church?
A: Yes.
Q: Do you live in the same region I do?
A: Yes.
Q: Are you family?
A: Yes.
Q: Are you from my side of the family?
A: No.
*BANG!*
Call it rhetoric nonsense, but I believe in that which is, and everything is subject to question and skepticism, even science (you think science knows everything about everything...guess again; it's still, like everything else, under development). Humans are a naturally inquisitive race, particularly when individuals can break free from hive mindsets. Therefor, assuming God exists, he didn't 'create' us to be a babbling pack of mindless drones, though the internet suggests otherwise.
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Cant science and religion go together. I think i seen this before but there is a theory that science just teaches us the how. How GOD created everything how he runs the world. Anyway I think i believe that more than anything
I was brought up as catholic/christian.
All religions are bullshit.. We make em' to suite ourselves and give us hope.
On the down side, they have caused and reasoned war in the past.
There's up's and downs to everything.
All religions are bullshit.. We make em' to suite ourselves and give us hope.
On the down side, they have caused and reasoned war in the past.
There's up's and downs to everything.
And what made you a Cristian in the first place, was it not your pastor, or family telling you what to believe in.JaMDuDe wrote:
Im not catholic so we dont have priests, we have a pastor. Im not an idiot who is going to worship air just because the pastor tells me to. If you pray, go to church, and read the bible u can see more of what God is doing in life. Look outside and u can see some amazing things that He created.
then why do we need the church telling people what to believe in, if GOD is almighty than why dose he need the church. isn't it more "natural" for the individual to find GOD on your own.
Even if religion was nonexistant, humans would have had other excuses for declaring war on eachother. Conflicting economies, 'elbow-room,' and desire for regional/waterway control, for a few examples. But even in "religious wars," religion was usually a convenient veneer to hide the true motives of tyrants and politicians.raz wrote:
I was brought up as catholic/christian.
All religions are bullshit.. We make em' to suite ourselves and give us hope.
On the down side, they have caused and reasoned war in the past.
There's up's and downs to everything.
A church isn't really for God. It's for people who worship God. Religious people enjoy worshipping God in the company of other religious people, and I respect churches, especially churches with parking lots, because it prevents people from crowding neighborhood streets with three-dozen cars every week for "at-home worship." Beyond that, I've never been to any church sermon that claimed you were going to be saved just by sitting your ass down on a pew every Saturday or Sunday.herrr_smity wrote:
...why do we need the church telling people what to believe in, if GOD is almighty than why dose he need the church. isn't it more "natural" for the individual to find GOD on your own.
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If you dont know about God, how will you find out unless the church, and by "church" i mean the body of christ (followers or physical church) brings you or presents him and his power and glory to you....why are there missionaries....to bring the word of God to those who do not know....
....i have never said nor implied i was EVER better than anyone, i am not perfect, nor will i ever be....i sin and fall short of things just as everyone else does, for me to think or say i dont would be ignorant.
....My God is real to me, that is how i know he is real and if you, and he will come again and on that day we will all be judged, and i KNOW he is coming again not because someone tells me so because i am old enough to think and believe things on my own, but because things in the world are following scriptures proficy of the end times....so i hope you all are ready.....you all are in my prayers....
thank you to JaMDuDe for your support...God Bless bro
....i have never said nor implied i was EVER better than anyone, i am not perfect, nor will i ever be....i sin and fall short of things just as everyone else does, for me to think or say i dont would be ignorant.
....My God is real to me, that is how i know he is real and if you, and he will come again and on that day we will all be judged, and i KNOW he is coming again not because someone tells me so because i am old enough to think and believe things on my own, but because things in the world are following scriptures proficy of the end times....so i hope you all are ready.....you all are in my prayers....
thank you to JaMDuDe for your support...God Bless bro
Jesus was a quantum physicist. Too bad what he said usually confused the shit out of his disciples.
lol
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Siciliano please never pray for me....ever. now that i got that out of the way, I have to wonder something. If none of your parents or peers ever mentioned anything about religion to you before this point, would anyone here still believe so deeply about god? Would you still think so deeply in his story if it wasn't pushed on you as being right by people around you? Now i know there are people out there who have found god and religion and it has saved them by giving them hope, but come on, how many of you can actually say something like that? Most people believe in it because they were raised on it, just as they were raised to think food is good.
Newbie, i don't know what your talking about with the quantum physicist, but.........ok there isn't anything else there, i just don't know what your talking about.
But anyways, i'm going to have to agree with some of the other posts in saying that if you want to worship, thats fine, but please don't say your religion is the "right" religion and that everyone else's are false, because when we get down to it, all religions all false. All theories on the creation of our universe are false, as no one here has actually traveled back in time to see the beginning of everything. Even science can only gives us theories, nothing will ever be proven until we learn how to travel through time.
So with that, again please don't hold your religion over others' and say that your system is the only one that is for real, because i'm pretty sure one of the key ingredients in any good religion is ACCEPTANCE. Please people, worship, do whatever gives yourself hope and faith, but don't do it at the expense of another or in a way that brings others down.
And also don't use the incredibly patronizing and annoying phrase, "I'm gonna pray for all of you".
Newbie, i don't know what your talking about with the quantum physicist, but.........ok there isn't anything else there, i just don't know what your talking about.
But anyways, i'm going to have to agree with some of the other posts in saying that if you want to worship, thats fine, but please don't say your religion is the "right" religion and that everyone else's are false, because when we get down to it, all religions all false. All theories on the creation of our universe are false, as no one here has actually traveled back in time to see the beginning of everything. Even science can only gives us theories, nothing will ever be proven until we learn how to travel through time.
So with that, again please don't hold your religion over others' and say that your system is the only one that is for real, because i'm pretty sure one of the key ingredients in any good religion is ACCEPTANCE. Please people, worship, do whatever gives yourself hope and faith, but don't do it at the expense of another or in a way that brings others down.
And also don't use the incredibly patronizing and annoying phrase, "I'm gonna pray for all of you".
and the christian church says babies are born with inherent sin...siciliano732 wrote:
If you dont know about God, how will you find out unless the church, and by "church" i mean the body of christ (followers or physical church) brings you or presents him and his power and glory to you....why are there missionaries....to bring the word of God to those who do not know....
....i have never said nor implied i was EVER better than anyone, i am not perfect, nor will i ever be....i sin and fall short of things just as everyone else does, for me to think or say i dont would be ignorant.
....My God is real to me, that is how i know he is real and if you, and he will come again and on that day we will all be judged, and i KNOW he is coming again not because someone tells me so because i am old enough to think and believe things on my own, but because things in the world are following scriptures proficy of the end times....so i hope you all are ready.....you all are in my prayers....
thank you to JaMDuDe for your support...God Bless bro
You dont need to believe the Truth if you dont want to. God gave you a choice and you can blow your only chance if that is what you want. But, Christianity is the oldest and has the most proof of God.
SilentNoise, If you are going to ask that people do not say that their view is the only one that is right, why don't you try the same. I believe in God. I think, I am right. I merely ask that you give my views a fairly unbiased look and decide for yourself. Please do not rebuff a sincere and kind act as patronizing. That sentence did follow what could be considdered slightly patronizing material, but I think is was a sincere thought.
the babies are born into a sinful world....but clearly you missed those posts earlier in the thread....GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
and the christian church says babies are born with inherent sin...siciliano732 wrote:
If you dont know about God, how will you find out unless the church, and by "church" i mean the body of christ (followers or physical church) brings you or presents him and his power and glory to you....why are there missionaries....to bring the word of God to those who do not know....
....i have never said nor implied i was EVER better than anyone, i am not perfect, nor will i ever be....i sin and fall short of things just as everyone else does, for me to think or say i dont would be ignorant.
....My God is real to me, that is how i know he is real and if you, and he will come again and on that day we will all be judged, and i KNOW he is coming again not because someone tells me so because i am old enough to think and believe things on my own, but because things in the world are following scriptures proficy of the end times....so i hope you all are ready.....you all are in my prayers....
thank you to JaMDuDe for your support...God Bless bro
....some of you are just so closed off to the idea of God its scary....and who taught you God wasnt real or was some myth and the Bible false and just misinterpreted stories....just as i was brought up in a Christian household and CHOOSE to continue to walk in the ways of Christ as much as possible....so you were brought up being taught there was no God or with no beliefs in him....and you continue to CHOOSE to reject Him....what makes you so different from me....essentially we are the same way just two different ends of the spectrum....
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i didnt miss any post...it was established that according to christian dogma, everyone is born with sin, and then you go off on your sinful world blah blah blah and go back to god being great. Your personal opinions contradict your religious doctrine. And then you went off about judas betraying jesus 3 times when the bibles says it was Peter, I called you out on that. Apparently you must not read your bible enough to bring fuel to this argument.
I think so too.chrnoicle wrote:
Cant science and religion go together. I think i seen this before but there is a theory that science just teaches us the how. How GOD created everything how he runs the world. Anyway I think i believe that more than anything
It just that people (like jamdude here) don't like that because it's 'uncomfortable' and it means changing their beliefs.
Thankyou for showing your lack of knowledge and your blind acceptance of whatever the Christian church says.JaMDuDe wrote:
You dont need to believe the Truth if you dont want to. God gave you a choice and you can blow your only chance if that is what you want. But, Christianity is the oldest and has the most proof of God.
Heard of Zoroastrianism? Heard of Judiasm?
'Proof of God'?
Let me ask you this.
How does your 'God' differ from any other God in world religion? Why is your god true (and others are all wrong) while an aztec person is wrong? It is OK to believe, but not OK to say 'you're wrong, ignorant and blind' because they don't agree.
I personally believe in God. But not the one you seem to put out.
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The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman