Report Reveals CIA Conducted Mock Executions

2009-08-24 04:05:58

#26

FEOS: Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate; +1,182|6699|'Murka

Dilbert_X wrote:
The US blubbed like crazy when their diplomats and soldiers were subjected to mock executions by the Iranians, calling it torture.
Now its all fine and a normal part of intel gathering.
Double standards FTW.

The situation described in the article is not a mock execution.

Kmarion: Your two statements seem to contradict one another...or am I missing something?

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2009-08-24 05:48:05

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Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,817|6394|eXtreme to the maX

FEOS wrote:
The situation described in the article is not a mock execution.

Its near enough. He would have thought he was about to be killed.

'Nashiri's interrogators brandished the gun in an effort to convince him that he was going to be shot. Interrogators also turned on a power drill and held it near him.'

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2009-08-24 06:25:11

#28

Roger Lesboules: Ah ben tabarnak!; +316|6865|Abitibi-Temiscamingue. Québec!

S.Lythberg wrote:
FEOS wrote:
Shooting a gun in another cell is not a mock execution.

Tying some guy to a pole, blindfolding him and shooting blanks at him (with him not knowing they are blanks)...is.

There is a difference. What was described in the article was not a mock execution. It was wrong in many ways...but not a mock execution.
Considering our enemy prefers real executions, i don't understand all the fuss. Who thinks getting captured and interrogated by your enemies is supposed to be all hugs and roses?

Exact, the power drill might have been to much, but staging a death to get information should not be that bad...BUT you have to be sure the detainee have information...now that's where it get complicated. Personally i'd rather have blank fired at me and have the scare of my life than being water-boarded.

2009-08-24 09:02:07

#29

Kmar: Truth is my Bitch; +5,695|6889|132 and Bush

FEOS wrote:
Kmarion: Your two statements seem to contradict one another...or am I missing something?

Elaborate plz.

btw.. no named sources in the op? Macbeth.. Jesse Macbeth?

Xbone Stormsurgezz

2009-08-24 09:32:27

#30

Macbeth: Banned; +2,444|5874

Jesse Macbeth, still suprised nobody called bullshit on that guy earlier.

2009-08-24 09:42:05

#31

Kmar: Truth is my Bitch; +5,695|6889|132 and Bush

I believe it was a matter of a day or two.. http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?pid=768289#p768289

Xbone Stormsurgezz

2009-08-24 17:24:48

#32

FEOS: Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate; +1,182|6699|'Murka

Dilbert_X wrote:
FEOS wrote:
The situation described in the article is not a mock execution.
Its near enough. He would have thought he was about to be killed.

'Nashiri's interrogators brandished the gun in an effort to convince him that he was going to be shot. Interrogators also turned on a power drill and held it near him.'

No. It's not "near enough". That's a bullshit argument. It either is or it isn't. In this case, it was the latter.

Kmarion wrote:
FEOS wrote:
Kmarion: Your two statements seem to contradict one another...or am I missing something?
Elaborate plz.

Kmarion wrote:
The cost of torture do not outweigh the benefits here imo.

This would imply that you think it was worth it to torture in this case (benefits outweigh the costs).

Kmarion wrote:
I think we have better ways of gathering information. Ones that don't involve compromising what most of us stand for. Our ancestors DIED to maintain our integrity. That's because there are things worse than death. ..like becoming something you hate.

This would imply the opposite.

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“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular

2009-08-24 17:57:18

#33

Kmar: Truth is my Bitch; +5,695|6889|132 and Bush

FEOS wrote:
Dilbert_X wrote:
FEOS wrote:
The situation described in the article is not a mock execution.
Its near enough. He would have thought he was about to be killed.

'Nashiri's interrogators brandished the gun in an effort to convince him that he was going to be shot. Interrogators also turned on a power drill and held it near him.'
No. It's not "near enough". That's a bullshit argument. It either is or it isn't. In this case, it was the latter.

Kmarion wrote:
FEOS wrote:
Kmarion: Your two statements seem to contradict one another...or am I missing something?
Elaborate plz.
Kmarion wrote:
The cost of torture do not outweigh the benefits here imo.
This would imply that you think it was worth it to torture in this case (benefits outweigh the costs).

Kmarion wrote:
I think we have better ways of gathering information. Ones that don't involve compromising what most of us stand for. Our ancestors DIED to maintain our integrity. That's because there are things worse than death. ..like becoming something you hate.
This would imply the opposite.

No.. the first quote --> The "cost" is what you must give up. It is the exchange for convincing yourself that torture is ok comes at the expense of your principles. Therefor the cost (principle loss) is not worth the benefit.

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2009-08-24 17:58:29

#34

FEOS: Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate; +1,182|6699|'Murka

Kmarion wrote:
No.. the first quote --> The "cost" is what you must give up. The exchange for convincing yourself that torture is ok comes at the expense of your principles. Therefor the cost (principle loss) is not worth the benefit.

Awkward wording, I guess. It doesn't come across that way at all (clearly).

“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular

2009-08-24 17:59:31

#35

Kmar: Truth is my Bitch; +5,695|6889|132 and Bush

FEOS wrote:
Kmarion wrote:
No.. the first quote --> The "cost" is what you must give up. The exchange for convincing yourself that torture is ok comes at the expense of your principles. Therefor the cost (principle loss) is not worth the benefit.
Awkward wording, I guess. It doesn't come across that way at all (clearly).

Yes it was.. I was probably doped up *legally when I wrote it. I could have dropped the "here" from the first quote.

Xbone Stormsurgezz

2009-08-25 11:28:54

#36

Red Forman: Banned; +402|5688

Dilbert_X wrote:
FEOS wrote:
The situation described in the article is not a mock execution.
Its near enough. He would have thought he was about to be killed.

as opposed to thinking he was there for tea and biscuits?

2009-08-25 13:05:30

#37

of course that's fuking torture, and of course he gone tell you what you want to hear.

2009-08-25 13:23:23

#38

M.O.A.B: 'Light 'em up!'; +1,220|6511|Escea

Does tickling constitute as torture? Someone did it to make me spill a secret once.

2009-08-28 20:36:23

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Turquoise: O Canada; +1,596|6693|North Carolina

M.O.A.B wrote:
Does tickling constitute as torture? Someone did it to make me spill a secret once.

https://whitehouse.georgewbush.org/initiatives/posters/images/torture.jpg

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