BF2S Forums Cash for Clunkers - part of $106 billion Iraq War spending bill

FatherTed wrote:

Red Forman wrote:

FatherTed wrote:

i never understood the fascination with pickup trucks

Can't really move stuff with a mini ya know.

so just use a van?

Can't pour dirt or rocks in a van.  Or maybe salt so people can drive in the winter.  You see Ted, the US is comprised of many different climate types.

Bevo wrote:

FatherTed wrote:

i never understood the fascination with pickup trucks

not to bring this further offtopic but I use the bed of my tundra all the time - piling hay for the horses, things like gasoline and cedar shavings that can be giant messes in a van or the likes. i've moved big old rocks in it and giant tree stumps and piles of branches.

You sir are a man's man.  Not like most of these metrosexuals and pantywaists growing up today.

Looks like Obama isn't releasing data on the Cash for Clunkers because a large percentage went to foreign carmakers:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090804/ap_ … ansparency

You sir are correct.  I don't have a problem with them (alot of their plants are here in the United States).  But as for "transparency" Obama said his administration was going to have...holding this report while the Senate is about to spend another $2 billion dollars on this program to me is dishonest - but that's nothing we haven't expected, right?

Anyone who supports this program think we should increase it beyond the $2 billion we're about to allocate this week for this?  And if so why?

Harmor wrote:

Anyone who supports this program think we should increase it beyond the $2 billion we're about to allocate this week for this?  And if so why?

News report last night about knuckleheads doing the same thing with cars that they did with houses...using govt incentives to buy something they can't afford. Car sales are through the roof, but some local insiders are concerned about the quality of customers being approved to buy these vehicles. That, and wondering if they will actually get the money from the government.

As of August 4th according to the U.S. Department of Transportation:

Top 10 Clunkers

1. Ford Explorer 4x4
2. Ford F-150 2wd
3. Jeep Grand Cherokee 4x4
4. Jeep Cherokee 4x4
5. Dodge Caravan/Grand Caravan
6. Ford Explorer 2wd
7. Chevrolet Blazer 4x4
8. Ford F-150 4x4
9. Chevrolet Silverado 2wd
10. Ford Windstar

Source: http://www.foxnews.com/slideshow/2009/0 … ?slide=10#


Top 10 Cars bought

1. Toyota Corolla - 30 mpg
2. Ford Focus - 28 mpg
3. Honda Civic - 29 mpg (42 mpg for Civic Hybrid)
4. Toyota Prius - 50 mpg
5. Toyota Camry - 25 mpg (34 mpg for Camry Hybrid)
6. Hyundai Elantra - 28 mpg
7. Ford Escape - 24 mpg (32 mpg for Escape Hybrid)
8. Dodge Caliber - 27 mpg
9. Honda Fit - 31 mpg
10. Chevrolet Cobalt - 30 mpg

Source: http://www.foxnews.com/slideshow/2009/0 … /?slide=10

Your point?

Government is government and bureaucracy is bureaucracy.

If you're expecting speed, keep dreaming.

Cash For Clunkers Decreases Market Share For Domestic Automakers, Obama Calls Program “A Success”
http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/cash_f … bama_call/

It has resulted in the destruction of perfectly usable cars that would normally have gone to the used car/used auto parts markets to supply people who can’t afford new cars/auto parts thus driving up prices for them while simultaneously subsidizing new debt for people buying new cars throught he program.

Your thoughts, insights, and musings on this matter intrigue me.

The car's engines are the only things being destroyed at the dealership, the cars go to junkyards which have a run on the entire car for whatever parts they want. Anything none usable is destroyed. If anything an increase in old auto parts would drive auto parts prices down and truthfully it's not like thousands of the same cars are being traded in so prices are going to be left unaffected.

What’s really going to be bad is when the auto dealers realize that a good chunk of their potential customers for the next year or so all bought cars now instead of buying them later.  Meaning that while car sales were higher than normal during this program, they’re going to be lower than they would have been for quite a while after.

Grrr, autodealers make a good amount of their profit from servicing cars, hell most dealerships make more on servicing the cars then they do selling them. Either way they'll be making money off of this in the longterm.



Also
GM Hires New Staff, Boosts US Production
http://www.autoevolution.com/news/gm-hi … -9989.html


too long didn't read; radio host doesn't know jack shit.

Link fixed

Last edited by Macbeth (2009-08-23 19:14:35)

FEOS wrote:

FatherTed wrote:

Harmor wrote:

Cash For Clunkers Decreases Market Share For Domestic Automakers, Obama Calls Program “A Success”
http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/cash_f … bama_call/

One, nice source lol

Two, damn right it should reduce the market for your domestics, they failed so badly you, the public practically bought them out yes? maybe they should have taken a leaf out of the asian/euro manufactures and made a product worth fucking buying lol.

globalisation, suck its dick.

http://www.jdpower.com/autos/ratings/de … age-anchor

One euro brand in the top ten...and it was owned by an American brand until quite recently.

Shutyeryapper.

I stuck in asian as the disclaimer