Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6893|132 and Bush

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090821/ap_ … s_bernanke
JACKSON, Wyo. – Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke declared Friday that the U.S. economy is on the verge of a long-awaited recovery after enduring a brutal recession and the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression.

Economic activity in both the U.S. and around the world appears to be "leveling out," and "the prospects for a return to growth in the near term appear good," Bernanke said in a speech at an annual Fed conference in Jackson Hole, Wyo.

The upbeat assessment was consistent with the Fed's observations earlier this month. The central bank has taken small steps toward pulling back some emergency programs to revive the economy.

Still, Bernanke stressed Friday that despite much progress in stabilizing financial markets and trying to bust through credit clogs, consumers and businesses are still having trouble getting loans. The situation is not back to normal, he said.

Restoring the free flow of credit is a critical component to a lasting recovery.

"Although we have avoided the worst, difficult challenges still lie ahead," Bernanke told the gathering. "We must work together to build on the gains already made to secure a sustained economic recovery."

Strains in financial markets worldwide persist. Financial institutions face "significant additional losses" on soured investments and many businesses and households are experiencing "considerable difficulty" in getting loans, he said.

Elsewhere at the conference, European Central Bank President Jean-Claude Trichet responded to a research paper on the origins and the nature of the financial crisis by saying he was a "little bit uneasy" about talk of a return to normalcy.

"We know that we have an enormous amount of work to do and we should be as active as possible," Trichet said.

The remarks by Bernanke, Trichet and others come two years after the financial crisis broke out and nearly one year after it had deepened to the point of sending the nation into a near meltdown.

The bulk of Bernanke's speech was a chronicle of the extraordinary events of the past year. Financial markets took a turn for the worst starting last September and into October, nearly shutting down the flow of credit. The crisis felled storied Wall Street firms and forced the government to take over mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, as well as insurance titan American International Group Inc.

Despite efforts to save it, Lehman Brothers failed. It filed for bankruptcy on Sept. 15, the largest in corporate history, which roiled markets worldwide.

To prop up shaky banks, the government created a $700 billion bailout fund, a program that proved wildly unpopular with an American public suffering fallout from the recession.

The Fed swooped in with unprecedented emergency lending programs to fight the crisis. It eventually slashed a key bank lending rate to a record low near zero. And Congress enacted programs to stimulate the economy, the most recent coming in February with President Barack Obama's $787 billion package of tax cuts and increased government spending.

"Without these speedy and forceful actions, last October's panic would likely have continued to intensify, more major firms would have failed and the entire global financial system would have been at serious risk," Bernanke said.

In recounting actions by the Fed and the government to battle the crisis, Bernanke didn't acknowledge any missteps by the central bank and other regulators. Critics have argued that the Wall Street bailouts in particular sent a message that companies that take reckless gambles will be rescued by the government. There's also the concern that the rescues put taxpayer's dollars at risk.

The public and lawmakers on Capitol Hill were incensed by the repeated taxpayer bailouts of AIG, totaling more than $180 billion, and outraged after the company paid hefty bonuses to employees who worked in the very division that brought down the firm. The $700 billion taxpayer-funded bailout program used to prop up banks, AIG, General Motors, Chrysler and other companies also drew criticism from the public and politicians.

But unlike in the 1930s, Washington policymakers this time acted aggressively and quickly to contain the crisis, said Bernanke, a scholar of the Great Depression.

"As severe as the economic impact has been, however, the outcome could have been decidedly worse," he said.

Global cooperation in battling the crisis was crucial, with central banks slashing interest rates and the U.S. and other governments delivering fiscal stimulus, he noted.

"The crisis in turn sparked a deep global recession, from which we are only now beginning to emerge," the Fed chief observed.

Sponsored by the Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City, the conference draws a virtual who's who of the financial world — Bernanke's counterparts in other countries, academics and economists. This year's forum focused on lessons learned from the crisis and how they can be applied to prevent a repeat of the debacles.

To that end, Bernanke again called a rewrite of the U.S. financial rule book — something Congress is currently involved in. He again pressed for stricter oversight of companies — like AIG — whose failure would endanger the entire financial system and the broader economy. Obama would tap the Fed for that job, something many lawmakers in Congress don't like.

Bernanke also said the U.S. needs a process to wind down big, globally interconnected companies, much like the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. does for failing banks.

"Looking forward, we must urgently address structural weaknesses in the financial system, in particular in the regulatory framework, to ensure that the enormous costs of the past two years will not be borne again," he said.
What do you think?
How is your local economy doing?
Are you seeing a "leveling out"?
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Lotta_Drool
Spit
+350|6475|Ireland
That no nothing penis head is destroying the dollar for a small bounce in the economy.  No Shit you put 5 years worth of your yearly wage on a credit card shit will be better, until the money runs out and you are stuck paying the interest on top of the cost of living at your bloated level.

I hope he gets thrown in jail and chokes to death on cock.
Red Forman
Banned
+402|5692

Lotta_Drool wrote:

I hope he gets thrown in jail and chokes to death on cock.
Aye.
SonderKommando
Eat, Lift, Grow, Repeat....
+564|6951|The darkside of Denver
leveling out in the short term until the 23.7 trillion that the emergency programs created impacts the economy.  Also, they want to oversee other financial organizations, even internationally?! Fuck Ben and the FED!! At least the EU crook was honest.
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6821|Global Command
The local economy is shit. My feeling is that the people in government do as little as possible for as much as they can take. Putting people from goldman sachs in positions within the fed is all the proof that the game is rigged.
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6893|132 and Bush

I see it as this.. it's not getting worse. Slightly better in fact. However, a leveling out (while in a valley) is not a "recovery". 'course he said we were on the cusp of a recovery.
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ATG
Banned
+5,233|6821|Global Command
I agree that positive thinking can help, I see nothing good. And I look hard.

http://www.businessinsider.com/its-time … sis-2009-8
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6893|132 and Bush

Lotta_Drool wrote:

That no nothing penis head is destroying the dollar for a small bounce in the economy.  No Shit you put 5 years worth of your yearly wage on a credit card shit will be better, until the money runs out and you are stuck paying the interest on top of the cost of living at your bloated level.

I hope he gets thrown in jail and chokes to death on cock.
Know nothing? Not likely. Devious, politically motivated, self serving? .. perhaps.
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Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6893|132 and Bush

ATG wrote:

The local economy is shit. My feeling is that the people in government do as little as possible for as much as they can take. Putting people from goldman sachs in positions within the fed is all the proof that the game is rigged.
Home sales are up big time in my market (24%).. tis good, eventually it will bring inventory down and ppl will be able to get out without getting ass pummeled on the way out.
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Pug
UR father's brother's nephew's former roommate
+652|6834|Texas - Bigger than France

ATG wrote:

I agree that positive thinking can help, I see nothing good. And I look hard.

http://www.businessinsider.com/its-time … sis-2009-8
Well, take a close look at the figures:

Prime Fixed = 65.5% of loans / 32.4% of foreclosures
Prime Adjusted = 12.4% / 25.1%
Subprime Fixed = 6.3% / 13.2%
Subprime Adj = 5.0% / 20.2%
FHA = 10.7% / 9.1%

The headline is slightly tainted: Prime Foreclosures Outpacing Subprime!

If you add the foreclosure % up you get 100% - the total % of foreclosures reported.  In other words, misleading because the article and numbers make it look like 32.4% of the Prime Fixed loans have failed.  This is incorrect.

It doesn't state how many loans or foreclosures have occurred.  BUT, the number of starting foreclosures is a subset of the number of outstanding loans.  But, for illustration, let's say there are 10,000 loans and 1,000 foreclosures.

Prime fixed 10,000 x 65.5% = 655 loans.  1,000 x 32.4% = 324 foreclosures started.

Note: the total is below 2,500 foreclosures, otherwise with Subprime Adj you have more foreclosures than loans.
Why?  Do the math: 10,000 x 5.0% = 500.  2,500 foreclosures x 20.2% = 505 foreclosures, or 5 more than loans outstanding.

Prime Fixed = 324 foreclosures / 6550 loans = 4.9% of Prime Fixed loans have started foreclosure
Prime Adjusted = 251 / 1240 = 20.2%
Subprime fixed = 132 / 630 = 21.0%
Subprime Adj = 202 / 500 = 40.4%
FHA = 91 / 1070 = 8.5%

So yeah, Prime fixed has the MOST foreclosures but the order of risk from high to low:

Prime Fixed 4.9%
FHA = 8.5%
Prime Adj = 20.2%
Subprime Fixed = 21.0%
Subprime Adj = 40.4%

The foreclosure rate is also decreasing from a year ago, which means it might actually be turning around (or not)

So the article title: "Prime Foreclosures Outpacing Subprime!"

7.5% of those who have prime & fha loans have started foreclosure
29.6% of Subprime loans started foreclosure

Misleading article
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6893|132 and Bush

You know pug.. you could have said that a lot easier..lol.
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Pug
UR father's brother's nephew's former roommate
+652|6834|Texas - Bigger than France
I like math
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6893|132 and Bush

Common sense works too.


show off.
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Pug
UR father's brother's nephew's former roommate
+652|6834|Texas - Bigger than France
I lack common sense.  I prove it daily
Switch
Knee Deep In Clunge
+489|6755|Tyne & Wear, England

Last edited by Switch (2009-08-21 21:17:41)

Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known.
Burwhale
Save the BlobFish!
+136|6514|Brisneyland
The stockmarket seems to be trending upward . Thats also a good sign. Unemployment decreasing is probably more a sign of improvement though.
DrunkFace
Germans did 911
+427|6973|Disaster Free Zone
Economy will improve before unemployment will. Businesses are very quick to fire people when things get tough, but slow at rehiring when things start to improve.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6697|North Carolina

Kmarion wrote:

ATG wrote:

The local economy is shit. My feeling is that the people in government do as little as possible for as much as they can take. Putting people from goldman sachs in positions within the fed is all the proof that the game is rigged.
Home sales are up big time in my market (24%).. tis good, eventually it will bring inventory down and ppl will be able to get out without getting ass pummeled on the way out.
On the other hand though...  you live in the state with the highest foreclosure rate when it comes to mortgages.

Last edited by Turquoise (2009-08-22 22:37:15)

Harmor
Error_Name_Not_Found
+605|6840|San Diego, CA, USA

DrunkFace wrote:

Economy will improve before unemployment will. Businesses are very quick to fire people when things get tough, but slow at rehiring when things start to improve.
You sir are correct.  Employment is a lagging indicator.  The Stock Market is a leading indicator.

I'm just still worried about the economy heating up and for us to fund the debt we'll have to increase interest rates pretty quickly.

There are some bearish economists suggesting that we may have a double-dip recession because housing is still a mess with unemployment going to go over 10% soon.
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6893|132 and Bush

Turquoise wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

ATG wrote:

The local economy is shit. My feeling is that the people in government do as little as possible for as much as they can take. Putting people from goldman sachs in positions within the fed is all the proof that the game is rigged.
Home sales are up big time in my market (24%).. tis good, eventually it will bring inventory down and ppl will be able to get out without getting ass pummeled on the way out.
On the other hand though...  you live in the state with the highest foreclosure rate when it comes to mortgages.
Mostly because yankee investors love buying Floridian investment property. It's easy for them to walk away.
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Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6697|North Carolina

Kmarion wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Kmarion wrote:


Home sales are up big time in my market (24%).. tis good, eventually it will bring inventory down and ppl will be able to get out without getting ass pummeled on the way out.
On the other hand though...  you live in the state with the highest foreclosure rate when it comes to mortgages.
Mostly because yankee investors love buying Floridian investment property. It's easy for them to walk away.
Well, I'd imagine it's not easy on their credit...  lol...
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6893|132 and Bush

Turquoise wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

On the other hand though...  you live in the state with the highest foreclosure rate when it comes to mortgages.
Mostly because yankee investors love buying Floridian investment property. It's easy for them to walk away.
Well, I'd imagine it's not easy on their credit...  lol...
pssht.. lenders will look back in a few years and say "oh the was the credit crisis of 06-09" we understnad.


"In June, foreclosure rates held steady for Arizona, California and Florida at 4.1 percent, 3.5 percent and 3.4 percent, respectively, according to Realty Trac, which maintains a nationwide database of foreclosures."

Florida is high but Arizona and Cali are outpacing it in foreclosures.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/art … gD99RI7GG0
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Harmor
Error_Name_Not_Found
+605|6840|San Diego, CA, USA

Turquoise wrote:

Well, I'd imagine it's not easy on their credit...  lol...
Bankruptcy laws favor the investor.  After about 3 years its difficult not not impossible to get a loan.  After 7 years easy.  And after 10 years I believe its expunged from your record.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6697|North Carolina

Kmarion wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Kmarion wrote:


Mostly because yankee investors love buying Floridian investment property. It's easy for them to walk away.
Well, I'd imagine it's not easy on their credit...  lol...
pssht.. lender swill look back in a few years and say "oh the was the credit crisis of 06-09" we understnad.


"In June, foreclosure rates held steady for Arizona, California and Florida at 4.1 percent, 3.5 percent and 3.4 percent, respectively, according to Realty Trac, which maintains a nationwide database of foreclosures."

Florida is high but Arizona and Cali are outpacing it in foreclosures.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/art … gD99RI7GG0
Ah, I was going by a CNN article a few days ago.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6697|North Carolina

Harmor wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Well, I'd imagine it's not easy on their credit...  lol...
Bankruptcy laws favor the investor.  After about 3 years its difficult not not impossible to get a loan.  After 7 years easy.  And after 10 years I believe its expunged from your record.
Debtor's prison might need to be reinstated to fix this situation.  Then again, we already have the world's highest incarceration rate....

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