Water was available at the restaurant we went to, including a large pitcher. However, no refills for soda. And WTF? No ice tea? and to FatherTed below, yes, the tap water was free.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
What? You have to pay minimum wage - you can't pay someone $2.50/hr. I tip because people are servicing me, not because I'm trying to supplement their income. I was caught off-guard as far as the whole not-tipping thing in the UK. You know what else was weird? Not getting a glass of water at a sit-down restuarant. I had one place even tell me they didn't have water Is it not customary for you to get a glass of water when you sit down for a meal? I don't know, its been a while since I've been over there.Bevo wrote:
Indeed, many waiters/waitresses get paid under minimum wage here ($2.50/hr or so for a starter at chilis IIRC) and make most of their wage via tip. I hear though if you work overtime, you have to get paid minimum wage, so they really bank. Anything under 10% is fairly rude, anything over 20% is quite frivolous. $2 is about right for a $10-12 meal.
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He is, the tip is split between the server, greeter and kitchen staff usuallywest-phoenix-az wrote:
Fuck %. I don't see why someone serving me a $10 meal deserves any less than someone serving me a $30 meal. I think $5 is a good tip, if you are on top of things like drink refills, etc. then I'll give you $5, maybe a little more if everything is perfect. If you suck you get less than $5. It's only been a couple times that I didn't tip at all.
Here's how I look at it:
$2.50 per hour
Serve 3 people an hour (usually many more)
Say average tip is $3 (I really don't know, but I always see people tip $3 or more)
Thats $11.50 an hour.
I would guess $11.50 is on the low side for most servers, but its still better than minimum wage and not bad considering what you are doing. I've never done it, but I can't see why its worth more than $12 an hour.
Now the chef has just as much responsibility - if not more than the server - for you enjoying your meal. Why is the chef not tipped?
I'm sure its different place to place, but I've heard the tip is usually split between the server and bus boy. The kitchen staff and greeter being paid a higher hourly wage. This is just what I heard from a few people I know that served for awhile.Winston_Churchill wrote:
He is, the tip is split between the server, greeter and kitchen staff usually
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Actually, servers don't have to be paid minimum wage because of their tips. Since tipping is pretty much expected, they are not subject to the standard minimum wage rules.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
What? You have to pay minimum wage - you can't pay someone $2.50/hr. I tip because people are servicing me, not because I'm trying to supplement their income. I was caught off-guard as far as the whole not-tipping thing in the UK. You know what else was weird? Not getting a glass of water at a sit-down restuarant. I had one place even tell me they didn't have water Is it not customary for you to get a glass of water when you sit down for a meal? I don't know, its been a while since I've been over there.Bevo wrote:
Indeed, many waiters/waitresses get paid under minimum wage here ($2.50/hr or so for a starter at chilis IIRC) and make most of their wage via tip. I hear though if you work overtime, you have to get paid minimum wage, so they really bank. Anything under 10% is fairly rude, anything over 20% is quite frivolous. $2 is about right for a $10-12 meal.
Well here at least its split with kitchen staff too, I think the server gets a much higher percentage of it thoughwest-phoenix-az wrote:
I'm sure its different place to place, but I've heard the tip is usually split between the server and bus boy. The kitchen staff and greeter being paid a higher hourly wage. This is just what I heard from a few people I know that served for awhile.Winston_Churchill wrote:
He is, the tip is split between the server, greeter and kitchen staff usually
Go back to euro land if its such a shit country...Zimmer wrote:
This just pisses me off so much.
For the past few years, all my applications to Banks, Jobs and the sort have always created problems that don't happen to other people.
Why?
Because I have a Belgian passport.
Funny thing is, that shouldn't stop ANYTHING from being processed just the same as a British passport, because BRITS ARE PART OF THE EU.
How many times do I have to shout down the phone at some ignorant bastard asking me for my Visa because I have a Non-UK passport?
It's fucking ridiculous. Banks ask me for my Medical Health Card, bills from where I live, more photo identification.... Just because I don't have a stupid British passport.
You guys seriously need to get your heads out of your asses and realise that you abide by European laws.
/rant
Yeah, it's a Cali thing. What with Cali's higher than average minimum wage, servers can often make a killing in income relative to their level of formal education. But regardless, for all other States, if initial wages + tips does not meet the recent Federal Minimum wage, the employer is supposed to make up the difference.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
That's so weird...none of the people I know in the service industry get paid less than minimum wage. Maybe it's just wonky Cali laws.
Get the fuck out of this thread. Stop being a bitter little girl about the other thread.bennisboy wrote:
Go back to euro land if its such a shit country...
Thats so fucked up. Expecting tips, lol. Why don't they just raise the prices and pay people a proper wage. Tipping is for good service or a good meal, not a requirement and as such lots of places don't deserve a thing.Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:
Actually, servers don't have to be paid minimum wage because of their tips. Since tipping is pretty much expected, they are not subject to the standard minimum wage rules.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
What? You have to pay minimum wage - you can't pay someone $2.50/hr. I tip because people are servicing me, not because I'm trying to supplement their income. I was caught off-guard as far as the whole not-tipping thing in the UK. You know what else was weird? Not getting a glass of water at a sit-down restuarant. I had one place even tell me they didn't have water Is it not customary for you to get a glass of water when you sit down for a meal? I don't know, its been a while since I've been over there.Bevo wrote:
Indeed, many waiters/waitresses get paid under minimum wage here ($2.50/hr or so for a starter at chilis IIRC) and make most of their wage via tip. I hear though if you work overtime, you have to get paid minimum wage, so they really bank. Anything under 10% is fairly rude, anything over 20% is quite frivolous. $2 is about right for a $10-12 meal.
liquidat0r wrote:
Silly foreigners.
It is.FatherTed wrote:
they should have water, i always thought it was a legal requirement for tap water to be availiable free of charge.
I would love to read that law.....Bertster7 wrote:
It is.FatherTed wrote:
they should have water, i always thought it was a legal requirement for tap water to be availiable free of charge.
They are required to give you tap water free of charge. Even if you're not a customer.
Contrary to the popular belief, the height of intellectual and knowledgeable Englishmen are not found on the help phone line of a bank branch.How many times do I have to shout down the phone at some ignorant bastard asking me for my Visa because I have a Non-UK passport?
the height of intellectual and knowledgeable Englishmen are found on BF2s by the name of Uzique.Hakei wrote:
Contrary to the popular belief, the height of intellectual and knowledgeable Englishmen are not found on the help phone line of a bank branch.How many times do I have to shout down the phone at some ignorant bastard asking me for my Visa because I have a Non-UK passport?
It's a common misconception and urban legend surrounding our mainland European counterparts.
