don't forget those Christians that kill you for being gay, or for stoning you for looking at someone else, or showing a fucking knee. Pretty violent religion that Christianity.Lotta_Drool wrote:
Christians are blowing up shit all over the world in the name of Chrisianity. It has gotten to the point where a Mulsim can't openly acknowlege their faith in Christian countries all over the world.
I know I think twice about flying on a plane with Christians.
To my way of thinking Christians had the time where they were the violent dickholes of the world. During the Crusades the Christians were awful. Not only did they attack the holy land but they pillaged their way through Europe on the way to attack the holy land. It was a road trip of epic proportions where soldiers of Christ had a blast murdering anyone who looked at them funny, (the Jews once again being a target,) and nicking anything that wasn't bolted down. All in the name of the saviour of course. The Muslim world on the other hand was the epitome of logic and rational thought. They feared these crazy bloody white people with their backwards ideas and violent religion.
How times have changed.
So maybe it's the time for the Muslim faith to be the backwards, violent and scary religion. Hopefully they'll grow out of it when the Scientologists take over the "backwards, violent and scary" mantle.
I'll print out the t-shirts:
"Christians and Muslims agree: Scientology is just fucked up."
How times have changed.
So maybe it's the time for the Muslim faith to be the backwards, violent and scary religion. Hopefully they'll grow out of it when the Scientologists take over the "backwards, violent and scary" mantle.
I'll print out the t-shirts:
"Christians and Muslims agree: Scientology is just fucked up."
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But did you also know that Muslim IRA have bombed London for years. Or what about those stinky Muslims like ETA same thing almost all over Spain.lowing wrote:
don't forget those Christians that kill you for being gay, or for stoning you for looking at someone else, or showing a fucking knee. Pretty violent religion that Christianity.Lotta_Drool wrote:
Christians are blowing up shit all over the world in the name of Chrisianity. It has gotten to the point where a Mulsim can't openly acknowlege their faith in Christian countries all over the world.
I know I think twice about flying on a plane with Christians.
Even in US if you heard Timothy Mcvey with the Oklohama Bombing. For almost 2000 years they have used the religion to kill , excuse slavery, excuse genoicedes like the american indians. But yeah these are facts which don't fit your hate agenda.
All of thoses goes against the teachings that Christ has laid out.bogo24dk wrote:
But did you also know that Muslim IRA have bombed London for years. Or what about those stinky Muslims like ETA same thing almost all over Spain.lowing wrote:
don't forget those Christians that kill you for being gay, or for stoning you for looking at someone else, or showing a fucking knee. Pretty violent religion that Christianity.Lotta_Drool wrote:
Christians are blowing up shit all over the world in the name of Chrisianity. It has gotten to the point where a Mulsim can't openly acknowlege their faith in Christian countries all over the world.
I know I think twice about flying on a plane with Christians.
Even in US if you heard Timothy Mcvey with the Oklohama Bombing. For almost 2000 years they have used the religion to kill , excuse slavery, excuse genoicedes like the american indians. But yeah these are facts which don't fit your hate agenda.
The violence in Islam is the violence laid out by Muhammad,
we've been over this and it is pretty undeniable. Which is why you need to revert to a portion of the bible that is 1500 years older than Christ himself to find real violence. Cuz you can not find it within the teachings of Christ.
You may be right, however, living in the here and now, and not really giving a shit what happened 1100 years ago, current events has my attention.Ty wrote:
To my way of thinking Christians had the time where they were the violent dickholes of the world. During the Crusades the Christians were awful. Not only did they attack the holy land but they pillaged their way through Europe on the way to attack the holy land. It was a road trip of epic proportions where soldiers of Christ had a blast murdering anyone who looked at them funny, (the Jews once again being a target,) and nicking anything that wasn't bolted down. All in the name of the saviour of course. The Muslim world on the other hand was the epitome of logic and rational thought. They feared these crazy bloody white people with their backwards ideas and violent religion.
How times have changed.
So maybe it's the time for the Muslim faith to be the backwards, violent and scary religion. Hopefully they'll grow out of it when the Scientologists take over the "backwards, violent and scary" mantle.
I'll print out the t-shirts:
"Christians and Muslims agree: Scientology is just fucked up."
So let me guess when al queda goes in a moske and kills 60 muslims you think that it's condone by the koran. Nothing that many terrorist groups do has anything with religion. Religion has been used for thousands of years to recruit Idiots to do your biding. And today is no diffrent then it was a thousand year a go. And no matter which religion. If you are to bigot to recognise this that's a diffrent story.lowing wrote:
All of thoses goes against the teachings that Christ has laid out.bogo24dk wrote:
But did you also know that Muslim IRA have bombed London for years. Or what about those stinky Muslims like ETA same thing almost all over Spain.lowing wrote:
don't forget those Christians that kill you for being gay, or for stoning you for looking at someone else, or showing a fucking knee. Pretty violent religion that Christianity.
Even in US if you heard Timothy Mcvey with the Oklohama Bombing. For almost 2000 years they have used the religion to kill , excuse slavery, excuse genoicedes like the american indians. But yeah these are facts which don't fit your hate agenda.
The violence in Islam is the violence laid out by Muhammad,
we've been over this and it is pretty undeniable. Which is why you need to revert to a portion of the bible that is 1500 years older than Christ himself to find real violence. Cuz you can not find it within the teachings of Christ.
Sorry, I didn't live 1100 years ago and really don't give ashit about it, TODAY is what matters amd TODAY we are dealing with a fucked up Islam.bogo24dk wrote:
So let me guess when al queda goes in a moske and kills 60 muslims you think that it's condone by the koran. Nothing that many terrorist groups do has anything with religion. Religion has been used for thousands of years to recruit Idiots to do your biding. And today is no diffrent then it was a thousand year a go. And no matter which religion. If you are to bigot to recognise this that's a diffrent story.lowing wrote:
All of thoses goes against the teachings that Christ has laid out.bogo24dk wrote:
But did you also know that Muslim IRA have bombed London for years. Or what about those stinky Muslims like ETA same thing almost all over Spain.
Even in US if you heard Timothy Mcvey with the Oklohama Bombing. For almost 2000 years they have used the religion to kill , excuse slavery, excuse genoicedes like the american indians. But yeah these are facts which don't fit your hate agenda.
The violence in Islam is the violence laid out by Muhammad,
we've been over this and it is pretty undeniable. Which is why you need to revert to a portion of the bible that is 1500 years older than Christ himself to find real violence. Cuz you can not find it within the teachings of Christ.
Ahh the cherry picking solution plus ignoring the history. How nice for you to just ignore facts. Anwser thislowing wrote:
Sorry, I didn't live 1100 years ago and really don't give ashit about it, TODAY is what matters amd TODAY we are dealing with a fucked up Islam.bogo24dk wrote:
So let me guess when al queda goes in a moske and kills 60 muslims you think that it's condone by the koran. Nothing that many terrorist groups do has anything with religion. Religion has been used for thousands of years to recruit Idiots to do your biding. And today is no diffrent then it was a thousand year a go. And no matter which religion. If you are to bigot to recognise this that's a diffrent story.lowing wrote:
All of thoses goes against the teachings that Christ has laid out.
The violence in Islam is the violence laid out by Muhammad,
we've been over this and it is pretty undeniable. Which is why you need to revert to a portion of the bible that is 1500 years older than Christ himself to find real violence. Cuz you can not find it within the teachings of Christ.
"Do you belive that when a al queda terrorist enters a moske and blows himself up that this has anything to do with Religion"
As George Santayana is misquoted as saying, "Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it." That... doesn't really apply to this perfectly but nevertheless your argument is based on the very core of religion which obviously is historical. To say if one's religion is violent you have to look at where it comes from and what it's core teachings are not just "dat one bloke what does all dose fings". Mohummad was "more violent" than Jesus Christ if you want to put it so bluntly, that's true. He certainly wasn't as "saintly" as Jesus is written but what has that got to do with the current violence present in Islam today? Sweet fuck-all. The actions of the nut-jobs in Islam are not due to the teachings of Mohammed, they are based on the warped interpretations by people who want to create and hold on to power.lowing wrote:
You may be right, however, living in the here and now, and not really giving a shit what happened 1100 years ago, current events has my attention.
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They justify their actions from the very teachings and life Muhammed lived. They have him as an example and worship him, he example is what Islam is supposed to be and they follow it. those that do not are not following Islam as Muhammed lived it and taught it and intended it to be.Ty wrote:
As George Santayana is misquoted as saying, "Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it." That... doesn't really apply to this perfectly but nevertheless your argument is based on the very core of religion which obviously is historical. To say if one's religion is violent you have to look at where it comes from and what it's core teachings are not just "dat one bloke what does all dose fings". Mohummad was "more violent" than Jesus Christ if you want to put it so bluntly, that's true. He certainly wasn't as "saintly" as Jesus is written but what has that got to do with the current violence present in Islam today? Sweet fuck-all. The actions of the nut-jobs in Islam are not due to the teachings of Mohammed, they are based on the warped interpretations by people who want to create and hold on to power.lowing wrote:
You may be right, however, living in the here and now, and not really giving a shit what happened 1100 years ago, current events has my attention.
thsoe that murder in the name of Christ are also not practicing their religion as Jesus had intended it to be based on his teachings and lifes example.
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Yup, because in his mind he is murdering those that ( for whatever reason he has justified) turned against Islam.bogo24dk wrote:
Ahh the cherry picking solution plus ignoring the history. How nice for you to just ignore facts. Anwser thislowing wrote:
Sorry, I didn't live 1100 years ago and really don't give ashit about it, TODAY is what matters amd TODAY we are dealing with a fucked up Islam.bogo24dk wrote:
So let me guess when al queda goes in a moske and kills 60 muslims you think that it's condone by the koran. Nothing that many terrorist groups do has anything with religion. Religion has been used for thousands of years to recruit Idiots to do your biding. And today is no diffrent then it was a thousand year a go. And no matter which religion. If you are to bigot to recognise this that's a diffrent story.
"Do you belive that when a al queda terrorist enters a moske and blows himself up that this has anything to do with Religion"
Christianity isn't just Jesus and Islam isn't just Mohammad. That's the point I'm trying to make, you're comparing two fictional characters and judging an entire religion on which one you judge to be the "more good". That's like comparing Mickey Mouse and Bugs Bunny and saying "Well Mickey was always true to his friends and just and honorable while Bugs dressed in drag and taunted hunters therefore Disney is just and honorable and Warner Brothers is a sexually-confused asshole."lowing wrote:
They justify their actions from the very teachings and life Muhammed lived. They have him as an example and worship him, he example is what Islam is supposed to be and they follow it. those that do not are not following Islam as Mohammad lived it and taught it and intended it to be.
thsoe that murder in the name of Christ are also not practicing their religion as Jesus had intended it to be based on his teachings and lifes example.
And it's not true that Jesus and his teachings simply can't be interpreted in a way that would make anyone do horrible things. Of course they can, anything can, we both know they have in the past. You're saying that those people "didn't interpret Jesus' intentions correctly" and you're right, they didn't. Nor do the wack-jobs blowing themselves up in the name of Mohammad interpret their own holy teachings correctly.
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and the point I am trying to make is that these 2 men had religions built around their lives and their teachings and their example in life. regardless as to how each group acts or justifies their actions. Jesus did not live or teach violence, Muhammed did. If we can not agree on that very basic fact, there is no use in continuing.Ty wrote:
Christianity isn't just Jesus and Islam isn't just Mohammad. That's the point I'm trying to make, you're comparing two fictional characters and judging an entire religion on which one you judge to be the "more good". That's like comparing Mickey Mouse and Bugs Bunny and saying "Well Mickey was always true to his friends and just and honorable while Bugs dressed in drag and taunted hunters therefore Disney is just and honorable and Warner Brothers is a sexually-confused asshole."lowing wrote:
They justify their actions from the very teachings and life Muhammed lived. They have him as an example and worship him, he example is what Islam is supposed to be and they follow it. those that do not are not following Islam as Mohammad lived it and taught it and intended it to be.
thsoe that murder in the name of Christ are also not practicing their religion as Jesus had intended it to be based on his teachings and lifes example.
And it's not true that Jesus and his teachings simply can't be interpreted in a way that would make anyone do horrible things. Of course they can, anything can, we both know they have in the past. You're saying that those people "didn't interpret Jesus' intentions correctly" and you're right, they didn't. Nor do the wack-jobs blowing themselves up in the name of Mohammad interpret their own holy teachings correctly.
Regardless of weather he taught it or not, what justification was given for the crusades? Why was the inquisiation performed? Who did both sides of the civil war believe was on their side? This belief caused them to continue fighting and use more brutal methods of fighting because they believed they had to win "for god." What justification do people who kill abortion doctors and people at a Holocaust museum use? "It's gods will." You lowing are quite the hypocrite.lowing wrote:
and the point I am trying to make is that these 2 men had religions built around their lives and their teachings and their example in life. regardless as to how each group acts or justifies their actions. Jesus did not live or teach violence, Muhammed did. If we can not agree on that very basic fact, there is no use in continuing.Ty wrote:
Christianity isn't just Jesus and Islam isn't just Mohammad. That's the point I'm trying to make, you're comparing two fictional characters and judging an entire religion on which one you judge to be the "more good". That's like comparing Mickey Mouse and Bugs Bunny and saying "Well Mickey was always true to his friends and just and honorable while Bugs dressed in drag and taunted hunters therefore Disney is just and honorable and Warner Brothers is a sexually-confused asshole."lowing wrote:
They justify their actions from the very teachings and life Muhammed lived. They have him as an example and worship him, he example is what Islam is supposed to be and they follow it. those that do not are not following Islam as Mohammad lived it and taught it and intended it to be.
thsoe that murder in the name of Christ are also not practicing their religion as Jesus had intended it to be based on his teachings and lifes example.
And it's not true that Jesus and his teachings simply can't be interpreted in a way that would make anyone do horrible things. Of course they can, anything can, we both know they have in the past. You're saying that those people "didn't interpret Jesus' intentions correctly" and you're right, they didn't. Nor do the wack-jobs blowing themselves up in the name of Mohammad interpret their own holy teachings correctly.
They jusified those actions yes, but the teachings of Christ can not held accountable for they did not teach or condone violence.Narupug wrote:
Regardless of weather he taught it or not, what justification was given for the crusades? Why was the inquisiation performed? Who did both sides of the civil war believe was on their side? This belief caused them to continue fighting and use more brutal methods of fighting because they believed they had to win "for god." What justification do people who kill abortion doctors and people at a Holocaust museum use? "It's gods will." You lowing are quite the hypocrite.lowing wrote:
and the point I am trying to make is that these 2 men had religions built around their lives and their teachings and their example in life. regardless as to how each group acts or justifies their actions. Jesus did not live or teach violence, Muhammed did. If we can not agree on that very basic fact, there is no use in continuing.Ty wrote:
Christianity isn't just Jesus and Islam isn't just Mohammad. That's the point I'm trying to make, you're comparing two fictional characters and judging an entire religion on which one you judge to be the "more good". That's like comparing Mickey Mouse and Bugs Bunny and saying "Well Mickey was always true to his friends and just and honorable while Bugs dressed in drag and taunted hunters therefore Disney is just and honorable and Warner Brothers is a sexually-confused asshole."
And it's not true that Jesus and his teachings simply can't be interpreted in a way that would make anyone do horrible things. Of course they can, anything can, we both know they have in the past. You're saying that those people "didn't interpret Jesus' intentions correctly" and you're right, they didn't. Nor do the wack-jobs blowing themselves up in the name of Mohammad interpret their own holy teachings correctly.
Muhammed's teaching did condone violence, he used it himself. therefore his followers are following his teachings and his lifes example as to how to deal with non-believers. etc...
The amount of people who use Christianity as a justification is about the same if not more then those who use Islam as the Justification. Don't just toss it off as untrue with out hard proof please.lowing wrote:
They jusified those actions yes, but the teachings of Christ can not held accountable for they did not teach or condone violence.Narupug wrote:
Regardless of weather he taught it or not, what justification was given for the crusades? Why was the inquisiation performed? Who did both sides of the civil war believe was on their side? This belief caused them to continue fighting and use more brutal methods of fighting because they believed they had to win "for god." What justification do people who kill abortion doctors and people at a Holocaust museum use? "It's gods will." You lowing are quite the hypocrite.lowing wrote:
and the point I am trying to make is that these 2 men had religions built around their lives and their teachings and their example in life. regardless as to how each group acts or justifies their actions. Jesus did not live or teach violence, Muhammed did. If we can not agree on that very basic fact, there is no use in continuing.
Muhammed's teaching did condone violence, he used it himself. therefore his followers are following his teachings and his lifes example as to how to deal with non-believers. etc...
Perhaps, but as stated many times, those that do are going against the teachings and actions of Christ and fall right in line with the teachings and actions of Muhammed. Plain and simple. This is my problem with the religion and culture of Islam.Narupug wrote:
The amount of people who use Christianity as a justification is about the same if not more then those who use Islam as the Justification. Don't just toss it off as untrue with out hard proof please.lowing wrote:
They jusified those actions yes, but the teachings of Christ can not held accountable for they did not teach or condone violence.Narupug wrote:
Regardless of weather he taught it or not, what justification was given for the crusades? Why was the inquisiation performed? Who did both sides of the civil war believe was on their side? This belief caused them to continue fighting and use more brutal methods of fighting because they believed they had to win "for god." What justification do people who kill abortion doctors and people at a Holocaust museum use? "It's gods will." You lowing are quite the hypocrite.
Muhammed's teaching did condone violence, he used it himself. therefore his followers are following his teachings and his lifes example as to how to deal with non-believers. etc...
and just like with Ty, if you can not admit those differences there really is not much else to discuss.
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Point noted. However we're debating on religions of violence and a religion is more than just the central figure, oftentimes the central figure is purely circumstantial.lowing wrote:
and the point I am trying to make is that these 2 men had religions built around their lives and their teachings and their example in life. regardless as to how each group acts or justifies their actions. Jesus did not live or teach violence, Muhammed did. If we can not agree on that very basic fact, there is no use in continuing.
I don't agree with you that Muhammed can be condemned for teaching violence, I certianly don't think it's that simple but I think we can still continue, forgive me if you believe we can't. One of the main differences between the Quaran and the Bible is the fact that the Bible has been altered more times over the years while the Quaran has barely been changed at all. The reason that the Bible has been changed is so that it conforms to evolving social norms. The Quaran hasn't changed so much. This means that when people read that Muhammed slept with girls that would be considered incredibly underage by modern standards they forget to put it in it's place in history and call him a pedofile. It means that when they read that Mohammed taught violence against a particular group, (I'm not sure that he did, from what I've read he actually taught the opposite but as I'm not an expert on the Quaran and for the sake of argument I'll assume he did,) they don't put it in it's historical context.
Although I agree with many of the points you're making I have to say that you're taking a very simplistic position. Unfortunately the world is more complicated then just comparing two parts of something to make a judgement on the whole.
When it comes to religion the fact is that the most important aspect of any religion is people's interpretation of it not the characters in the stories or even their teachings. The tales and teachings of the Bible, the Quaran - any holy text in fact - are just stories, no more important than the Greek myths of old or Aesop's Fables or Harry Potter. Religions are more than just the main characters and as this is a debate on religion I'd expect you to look at more than just the most obvious yet almost least important parts.
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Someone posted once that the main difference between the Medinan and Meccan suras has to do with a message of peace and tolerance vs. conquest through violent means.
So far what I've seen is that the diffenrence is nothing like that at all - it's more in the language (think lawyer vs. evangelist) used.
So far what I've seen is that the diffenrence is nothing like that at all - it's more in the language (think lawyer vs. evangelist) used.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
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you are wrong, lowing. plaing and simple. you know nothing about teachings of muhammad. moreover - nobody can actually derive anything semi-logical from those "teachings". they are complete and utter bullshit. no amount of research into that kind of material will change that - it's all contradiction upon contradiction upon contradiction and so on, endlessly. those who tell you they understand what's written in koran are either fools or frauds.lowing wrote:
Perhaps, but as stated many times, those that do are going against the teachings and actions of Christ and fall right in line with the teachings and actions of Muhammed. Plain and simple. This is my problem with the religion and culture of Islam.Narupug wrote:
The amount of people who use Christianity as a justification is about the same if not more then those who use Islam as the Justification. Don't just toss it off as untrue with out hard proof please.
it's those bloody people who choose to wield this nonsence as a weapon and, especially, those who try to abuse other's faith in religion - those are to be held accountable for what's being done in the name of religion. but religious teachings themselves have nothing to do with this. you are being fed a line of crap, dude, and, as i said before, the more people like you yell about how horrible islam is the more attorocities will be made in its name.
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if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
All the main religions, christianity, judaism, islam, have plenty of violence in them.
The current islamic extremism is simply a direct response to christian and jewish aggression against the moslem world.
If its a problem for you then look to yourself and think about the best path forward.
Between the word of God and the opinions of his son and his mates I think I'd go with the big guy.
The current islamic extremism is simply a direct response to christian and jewish aggression against the moslem world.
If its a problem for you then look to yourself and think about the best path forward.
Never really bought that argument.FEOS wrote:
Where the Old Testament and the New Testament conflict, the New Testament wins out.
Between the word of God and the opinions of his son and his mates I think I'd go with the big guy.
Fuck Israel
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The current islamic extremism is simply a direct response to christian and jewish aggression against the moslem world.
If its a problem for you then look to yourself and think about the best path forward.
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
I can make a judgement as a whole and yes, I do believe it is "that simple". Islam uses Sharia Law, there is nothing about it that is westernized, tolerant accepting or forgiving. It is archaic and stone age. Islam is not just a religion, it is a culture and a life style, that is emulated by Sharia Law. It started with the violence of Muhammad,( which is undisputed by the way) and continues to this day.Ty wrote:
Point noted. However we're debating on religions of violence and a religion is more than just the central figure, oftentimes the central figure is purely circumstantial.lowing wrote:
and the point I am trying to make is that these 2 men had religions built around their lives and their teachings and their example in life. regardless as to how each group acts or justifies their actions. Jesus did not live or teach violence, Muhammed did. If we can not agree on that very basic fact, there is no use in continuing.
I don't agree with you that Muhammed can be condemned for teaching violence, I certianly don't think it's that simple but I think we can still continue, forgive me if you believe we can't. One of the main differences between the Quaran and the Bible is the fact that the Bible has been altered more times over the years while the Quaran has barely been changed at all. The reason that the Bible has been changed is so that it conforms to evolving social norms. The Quaran hasn't changed so much. This means that when people read that Muhammed slept with girls that would be considered incredibly underage by modern standards they forget to put it in it's place in history and call him a pedofile. It means that when they read that Mohammed taught violence against a particular group, (I'm not sure that he did, from what I've read he actually taught the opposite but as I'm not an expert on the Quaran and for the sake of argument I'll assume he did,) they don't put it in it's historical context.
Although I agree with many of the points you're making I have to say that you're taking a very simplistic position. Unfortunately the world is more complicated then just comparing two parts of something to make a judgement on the whole.
When it comes to religion the fact is that the most important aspect of any religion is people's interpretation of it not the characters in the stories or even their teachings. The tales and teachings of the Bible, the Quaran - any holy text in fact - are just stories, no more important than the Greek myths of old or Aesop's Fables or Harry Potter. Religions are more than just the main characters and as this is a debate on religion I'd expect you to look at more than just the most obvious yet almost least important parts.
It was not extremists that were rioting over cartoons, they were moderates, (or were the day before). It is a volatile culture with a volatile past, and a volatile present. Yes I know Christianity was 1100 years ago as well, big deal, it is not today, and today is what counts. Yeah I know Christianity had a 600 year head start, big deal, Islam has something Christianity didn't. A blue print for which to pick the good things from and copy. they didn't.
Lastly Muhammad fucked an 8 year old, I am pretty sure even back then 8 year old girls could not have children yet.
Coupla points, first. I can read.Shahter wrote:
you are wrong, lowing. plaing and simple. you know nothing about teachings of muhammad. moreover - nobody can actually derive anything semi-logical from those "teachings". they are complete and utter bullshit. no amount of research into that kind of material will change that - it's all contradiction upon contradiction upon contradiction and so on, endlessly. those who tell you they understand what's written in koran are either fools or frauds.lowing wrote:
Perhaps, but as stated many times, those that do are going against the teachings and actions of Christ and fall right in line with the teachings and actions of Muhammed. Plain and simple. This is my problem with the religion and culture of Islam.Narupug wrote:
The amount of people who use Christianity as a justification is about the same if not more then those who use Islam as the Justification. Don't just toss it off as untrue with out hard proof please.
it's those bloody people who choose to wield this nonsence as a weapon and, especially, those who try to abuse other's faith in religion - those are to be held accountable for what's being done in the name of religion. but religious teachings themselves have nothing to do with this. you are being fed a line of crap, dude, and, as i said before, the more people like you yell about how horrible islam is the more attorocities will be made in its name.
Second, does not take a great deal of research to watch what is happening in the world, and for what cause. By the way, It is the Muslims that claim they are doing this shit in the name of Islam, not me. Don't get pissed at me because I fuckin' believe them.
Lowing you clearly don't get it so I'm obviously wasting my time. I thought this debate was on whether one particular religion could be deemed to be violent, you're talking about a part of Islam who by all acount are violent. But we're talking about a whole religion here with an approximate 1.8 billion followers. You're looking at an incredibly complex thing Lowing, you think you can make judgements based on some very simple and uneducated ideas? Of course you can't. People spend their whole lives studying religion and come up with nothing. You're so confident of your own argument that you're refusing to actually think. You simply can't come up with a rational and logical conclusion with this mindset.
I will point out that if you want to be the accomplished debater you seem to want to be that you check your sources instead of repeating the panicked idiocy of others with no actual alanysis or rational thought on your part. Mohammed married and had sex with an eight year old - married. This means that it was deemed to be a union acceptable to society. You can't judge this by today's norms and the fact that you are makes you no better than the nutjob Islam extremists who teach that everything in the Quaran is to be taken to the letter.
I will point out that if you want to be the accomplished debater you seem to want to be that you check your sources instead of repeating the panicked idiocy of others with no actual alanysis or rational thought on your part. Mohammed married and had sex with an eight year old - married. This means that it was deemed to be a union acceptable to society. You can't judge this by today's norms and the fact that you are makes you no better than the nutjob Islam extremists who teach that everything in the Quaran is to be taken to the letter.
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