yea well.. look at the shape the gop is in. 'course, there are more independents now than ever. It's not all GOP neither. There are Obama dissenter leaving as well.
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and all I can do is thank fucking god.Kmarion wrote:
'course, there are more independents now than ever. It's not all GOP neither. There are Obama dissenter leaving as well.
gives me some hope for 2012...
Those blue dog democrats turned out to be a powerful bunch eh? Cap n Trade is virtually dead. .. at least for now.Poseidon wrote:
and all I can do is thank fucking god.Kmarion wrote:
'course, there are more independents now than ever. It's not all GOP neither. There are Obama dissenter leaving as well.
gives me some hope for 2012...
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" voice of the party "?Poseidon wrote:
Not talking about you.Kmarion wrote:
A false assumption my young friend. I support reform on many levels. Just not this plan. That is also progress.Poseidon wrote:
It's, in a way, a freudian slip. They do nothing to help their cause because they're against progress.
I'm talking about the severe, ultra "conservative" radical right wingers. Who somehow have become a voice of the party and are pandered to by the GOP even though they're a minority. Damn shame too.
It's the same case with liberals too nowadays unfortunately.
Which politicians are you talking about? Or do you confuse Rush with a politician?
The " mob " anger is as organic as it gets. Obama calls it astro-turf, lol. As in a fake organic roots movement.
We all know how lazy people are. They are making a stink because they are incensed patriots who disagree with the hard sudden move into a quasi socialistic dictatorship ( as some feel ). You can't get people to show up and get in politicians faces unless they are really angry.
Pelosi and the democrats painting these Americans as anything other than that is sickening.
I agree. The GOP has unfortunately played the same card when talking about those who did not support the war.ATG wrote:
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Pelosi and the democrats painting these Americans as anything other than that is sickening.
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" The two party system works to instantly divide the population into two. So instead of 350million strong, we now have MAYBE 150 million strong.
Then, further division. We have the obama supporters, who do not support his health care. Thus, we have yet another division. Division after division after division, and we're left with tiny little groups squabbling with each other that NEVER get things accomplished! Do you think this is some grand coincidence? Are people that blind? I would hope not. Now these are just examples, and I hope that by highlighting the way this works, more people will begin to realize it going on non stop, all around them. It's an endless cycle, which as mentioned has as it's primary goal - division, division, and you guessed it DIVISION. Divide and conquer, it has always worked in the past, and it always will in the future. "
Then, further division. We have the obama supporters, who do not support his health care. Thus, we have yet another division. Division after division after division, and we're left with tiny little groups squabbling with each other that NEVER get things accomplished! Do you think this is some grand coincidence? Are people that blind? I would hope not. Now these are just examples, and I hope that by highlighting the way this works, more people will begin to realize it going on non stop, all around them. It's an endless cycle, which as mentioned has as it's primary goal - division, division, and you guessed it DIVISION. Divide and conquer, it has always worked in the past, and it always will in the future. "
Then I will assume you are talking about someone more like me. I really don't care what you consider to be progress. You can go ahead and label the issues and people like myself however you want. The real fight for me is to stop the federal government from growing and actually remove their fingers from a lot of the areas they have them. If you want to debate the social and most economic issues then take it to the state legislatures. Much easier battle if you live in the right state, and much harder if you don't. Move to the state you like. My intention is to look for those candidates that are like minded to me and support them to the best of my ability. I also intend on showing my disapproval of the policies that go against my desires.Poseidon wrote:
Not talking about you.
I'm talking about the severe, ultra "conservative" radical right wingers. Who somehow have become a voice of the party and are pandered to by the GOP even though they're a minority. Damn shame too.
I would be one of those people at the meeting who has actually studied the issues I am concerned about. I would ask questions and listen to the answers. My point of being there would be to show support for the issues I care about and to show them I/we are willing to stand up for what we believe in. I would never yell at them or threaten in any way. I truly hope that all citizens start to inform themselves on the issues and make an informed vote. If my country or my state move in a direction I do not agree with based informed votes, then so be it.
"The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation" - Barack Obama (a freshman senator from Illinios)
Look what became of John McCain in the election and tell me the GOP doesn't pander to the extreme right.ATG wrote:
" voice of the party "?Poseidon wrote:
Not talking about you.Kmarion wrote:
A false assumption my young friend. I support reform on many levels. Just not this plan. That is also progress.
I'm talking about the severe, ultra "conservative" radical right wingers. Who somehow have become a voice of the party and are pandered to by the GOP even though they're a minority. Damn shame too.
It's the same case with liberals too nowadays unfortunately.
Which politicians are you talking about? Or do you confuse Rush with a politician?
The " mob " anger is as organic as it gets. Obama calls it astro-turf, lol. As in a fake organic roots movement.
We all know how lazy people are. They are making a stink because they are incensed patriots who disagree with the hard sudden move into a quasi socialistic dictatorship ( as some feel ). You can't get people to show up and get in politicians faces unless they are really angry.
Pelosi and the democrats painting these Americans as anything other than that is sickening.
He is alive yes? Still has the same job ya? What's the problem.Poseidon wrote:
Look what became of John McCain in the election and tell me the GOP doesn't pander to the extreme right.
In this day and age, dissent is basically as manufactured as patriotism is.
Special interests of every flavor can manipulate the public with faux protests and counterprotests.
It's all possible because the average person is clueless, uneducated, and/or complacent.
If nothing else, the debate on healthcare in this country is a sad reminder that the integrity of a democracy is dependent on having an educated populace. We clearly are lacking that education -- at least in terms of civic affairs.
Special interests of every flavor can manipulate the public with faux protests and counterprotests.
It's all possible because the average person is clueless, uneducated, and/or complacent.
If nothing else, the debate on healthcare in this country is a sad reminder that the integrity of a democracy is dependent on having an educated populace. We clearly are lacking that education -- at least in terms of civic affairs.
QFTTurquoise wrote:
In this day and age, dissent is basically as manufactured as patriotism is.
Special interests of every flavor can manipulate the public with faux protests and counterprotests.
It's all possible because the average person is clueless, uneducated, and/or complacent.
If nothing else, the debate on healthcare in this country is a sad reminder that the integrity of a democracy is dependent on having an educated populace. We clearly are lacking that education -- at least in terms of civic affairs.
I would have liked to have seen the full video, it seems to cut in just before the incident. And did the guy who was "attacked" know the videographer. Looks a little suspicious to me and perhaps staged.
But I guess it doesn't matter, if you go into a mob situation yelling and screaming at other people, all it takes is one guy to lose his temper and you'll have a fight, be glad no one has brought a gun to the debate.... yet.
Sounds very "community organizer"-ish.Turquoise wrote:
In this day and age, dissent is basically as manufactured as patriotism is.
Special interests of every flavor can manipulate the public with faux protests and counterprotests.
That's what I find so blindingly ironic about this whole situation.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
No doubt... People are sheep.FEOS wrote:
Sounds very "community organizer"-ish.Turquoise wrote:
In this day and age, dissent is basically as manufactured as patriotism is.
Special interests of every flavor can manipulate the public with faux protests and counterprotests.
That's what I find so blindingly ironic about this whole situation.
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