BF2S Forums Guns From US into Mexico...

Hmmmmm

compared to a modern day tank, a .50 rn is nothing lol.

Your entire OP is simply immigration, why not guise it as so?

Great post.  I didn't realize that about us sending materials to help with the effort is being diverted to these criminals; I should had realized that is happening.

So which will happen first:

1) Mexico falls

2) Our military is sent to help their government

3) Status Quo...alot of civilians will die

There is a LOT of bullshit/distortion in those two videos...

The ATF agent in the first video claims 4 or 5 Barrets have made it to Mexico.  Forgive me, but that's not very many, when the police in Mexico often capture Title II firearms, like full-auto AKMs, and explosives (all of which are HIGHLY regulated in the US).

4 or 5 Barrets are now the "gun of choice?!"  The cartels must have a REALLY good lending system for those 4 or 5 guns to be so popular!

The FN 5.7 pistol is sold in the US, but the AP ammunition is restricted to LE and Military organizations.  Civilian legal 5.7mm ammo does not have the penetration ability to defeat modern body armor.  The FN FiveSeven does have a "special purpose."  It is classified as a "personal defense weapon" for a reason.

OF COURSE the .50BMG round can penetrate a car door and soft armor!  Most soft-armor vests are only Level II or Level IIIA rated.  In other words, they stop HANDGUN rounds.  Your grandfather's 30-30 deer rifle will penetrate a Level II vest with ease.  Oh, and 9mm ball ammo from most any handgun can penetrate an unarmored car door!


Gun shows face the same (if not more) regulation than any normal situation.  FFL dealers still have to perform the NICS background check.  Private citizens can (in most states) sell their personal firearms without a NICS check (since normal citizens are not able to use the NICS system).


The first video claims guns are easier to obtain in the US, while the Mexican (black market) dealer claims guns are as easy to find as candy.  WHICH IS IT?

If Mexican cops are afraid to bring Armalite style rifles with them, they should grow some balls.  You should not be afraid of your own equipment!

The AK knock-off that the agents found is SEMI auto, in contrast to the Title II FULL auto they showed immediately afterwords.  The reporter is either uneducated on firearms or intentionally trying to decieve you!  (I really don't know which, since CNN gets about 80% of their gun facts wrong!)

REAL assault rifles are probably not comming from the US, since they are HIGHLY regulated, take about 4 months to do the paperwork on, require ATF background checks, and cost upwords of $15,000. 
On the other hand, I hear that AKMs are available for about $250 on the black market.  All the cartel has to do is find an illegal way to ship them into Mexico (something they seem very good at--illegal shipping!)

The translations in the second video are terrible!  I don't even speak spanish, and the translation is off!

"Most of the guns comming into mexico are comming from these fairs (US gun shows)"  That quote is unsubstantiated.  The ATF and FBI have found that roughly 1-2% of crime guns come from gun shows.  The mexican government also sends less than half the guns they recover to the ATF for tracing.  (Probably because they get so many guns without serial numbers, which ALL US guns are required to have.)

The second video shows a "Belgian made pistol, with bullets that can punch through body armor" when they are actually showing a US made 1911 (probably in .45ACP or 10mm, which are not AP rounds).


These reports are either Lies or ignorant distortions.  The reporters are NOT reporting the facts.

Last edited by RAIMIUS (2009-08-09 22:31:33)

If cocaine and heroin make their way into the U.S. via Mexico from South America is it so hard of a stretch to think hugo might be funding and facilitating large amounts of small arms making their way to the border?

He is no fan of America.


This is nothing more than an excuse to restrict guns in America, and a lame one.

Sadly, lame is the name of the game these days.

The ATF agent said 4 or 5 such rifles had been smuggled before they captured that one.  Do you have another credible source stating a different number?

Mexico: "military caliber" firearms are highly regulated, but illegal firearms flood the nation (including many full-auto firearms)
US: lesser restrictions, with Full-auto firearms being pretty rare (roughly 200,000 out of 200,000,000+).

Title II MGs are HIGHLY restricted in the US and usually go for $5-10K+.
Do you really think the cartels would go through the NFA process and pay that much, when they can smuggle in AKMs from South America, Korea, and India/Pakistan for $300 a pop?

True, our border control is pretty much a joke.

When a few million people, several thousand tons of drugs, and other stuff flow north, it would not be too surprising if a few thousand firearms flowed south.  That shouldn't be too surprising, and I don't really question that.
However, if people are planning to use that to fuel more anti-gun legislation in the US, I have a problem!

Kmarion wrote:

RAIMIUS wrote:

The ATF agent said 4 or 5 such rifles had been smuggled before they captured that one.  Do you have another credible source stating a different number?

Mexico: "military caliber" firearms are highly regulated, but illegal firearms flood the nation (including many full-auto firearms)
US: lesser restrictions, with Full-auto firearms being pretty rare (roughly 200,000 out of 200,000,000+).

Title II MGs are HIGHLY restricted in the US and usually go for $5-10K+.
Do you really think the cartels would go through the NFA process and pay that much, when they can smuggle in AKMs from South America, Korea, and India/Pakistan for $300 a pop?

Tracking down the specific amount of illegal ones is and understandably challenging task. I was pointing out the context of your remark when you assumed the total was only four or five.

I don't think money is an issue. Convenience and quality are desirable. Overseas importation provides a new set of challenges. I believe that these weapons are also coming from south America.. though I do not feel that they are of the same quality. I see no reason for CNN, border agents, the DHS, Mexican police, congressman, and the ATF to all lie about intercepting these weapons. However, I do not deny that it is happening at a fairly significant level. There are numerous documented seizures to back this up.

They lie about it because they are part of the movement to restrict and/or outlaw weapons here in the U.S.

They want us disarmed, like the general public of Mexico. The SKS, AK-47 and various knock offs do just fine, and are manufactured all over, from Russia to China to South America.

There is no mention ever of Mexican military defectors. I wonder how many hummers and rifles have been lost there.

The groups you mention are all very interested in a dis-armed American public.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id … _article=1


At least they are trying it sort of sounds like.

I personally was hit up for a bribe at the border by a U.S. agent who let me through when I told him I would have to write a check.

Maybe he was transporting some future employees.

Kmarion wrote:

Why would you^ have to pay an agent off?

I was bringing a small load of copper goods across from Mexico.

I thought I was under the amount required to use an import/export company, but I wasn't.

LividBovine wrote:

Maybe he was transporting some future employees.

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