Macbeth
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Deadmonkiefart wrote:

Macbeth wrote:

FEOS wrote:

Pretty sure the Patriot Act did nothing like say "turn in any e-mails that you get that question our policy".

Unless I missed something in the training I received after the law was passed.
I guess you are right sending in an email and having a server send out an automated response to counter point the email sent in is much worse then wiretapping somebody.
You don't even know how they plan to respond.
Um likewise?
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6703|'Murka

Turquoise wrote:

Guys... guys...  I figured it out.  Assuming the power invested in the Patriot Act can be abused is wrong.  Assuming people voluntarily sending emails of other people to the government is an insidious scheme makes perfect sense though.
Pretty sure I never inferred the latter, Turq.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein

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FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6703|'Murka

Macbeth wrote:

FEOS wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

I'm still wondering where you guys were when the Patriot Act passed.
Pretty sure the Patriot Act did nothing like say "turn in any e-mails that you get that question our policy".

Unless I missed something in the training I received after the law was passed.
I guess you are right.
You should've just stopped there.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein

Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
Harmor
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FEOS wrote:

Just who exactly was wiretapped in the US without a warrant? Nobody.

People need to educate themselves on just what exactly the Patriot Act did before they start screaming "wiretapping American people!"
What's fun/sad is that Obama's Cyber-czar will.
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6703|'Murka

Harmor wrote:

FEOS wrote:

Just who exactly was wiretapped in the US without a warrant? Nobody.

People need to educate themselves on just what exactly the Patriot Act did before they start screaming "wiretapping American people!"
What's fun/sad is that Obama's Cyber-czar will.
Nah...she quit.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein

Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
destruktion_6143
Was ist Loos?
+154|6918|Canada
so...whats wrong with people voluntarily sending in emails? Its not like the feds are secretly reading everyones emails. If someone you know would be inclined to turn in an email you sent them, well, you probably shouldnt be sending email to that person.

THIS IS VOLUNTARY, there isnt a law saying you HAVE to send in emails to the Feds.

Get over yourselves guys.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6697|North Carolina

destruktion_6143 wrote:

so...whats wrong with people voluntarily sending in emails? Its not like the feds are secretly reading everyones emails. If someone you know would be inclined to turn in an email you sent them, well, you probably shouldnt be sending email to that person.

THIS IS VOLUNTARY, there isnt a law saying you HAVE to send in emails to the Feds.

Get over yourselves guys.
I agree.
13urnzz
Banned
+5,830|6789

destruktion_6143 wrote:

Its not like the feds are secretly reading everyones emails.
before 2004.
nickb64
formerly from OC (it's EXACTLY like on tv)[truth]
+77|5903|Greatest Nation on Earth(USA)

Doctor Strangelove wrote:

nickb64 wrote:

Democratic Party wrote:

There's been a lot of media coverage about organized mobs intimidating lawmakers, disrupting town halls, and silencing real discussion about the need for real health insurance reform.

The truth is, it's a sham. These "grassroots protests" are being organized and largely paid for by Washington special interests and insurance companies who are desperate to block reform. They're trying to use lies and fear to break the President and his agenda for change.

Health insurance reform is about our lives, our jobs, and our families -- we can't let distortions and intimidation get in the way. We need to expose these outrageous tactics, and we're counting on you to help.
5 facts about the anti-reform mobs

1. These disruptions are being funded and organized by out-of-district special-interest groups and insurance companies who fear that health insurance reform could help Americans, but hurt their bottom line. A group run by the same folks who made the "Swiftboat" ads against John Kerry is compiling a list of congressional events in August to disrupt. An insurance company coalition has stationed employees in 30 states to track where local lawmakers hold town-hall meetings.

2. People are scared because they are being fed frightening lies. These crowds are being riled up by anti-reform lies being spread by industry front groups that invent smears to tarnish the President's plan and scare voters. But as the President has repeatedly said, health insurance reform will create more health care choices for the American people, not reduce them. If you like your insurance or your doctor, you can keep them, and there is no "government takeover" in any part of any plan supported by the President or Congress.

3. Their actions are getting more extreme. Texas protesters brought signs displaying a tombstone for Rep. Lloyd Doggett and using the "SS" symbol to compare President Obama's policies to Nazism. Maryland Rep. Frank Kratovil was hanged in effigy outside his district office. Rep. Tim Bishop of New York had to be escorted to his car by police after an angry few disrupted his town hall meeting -- and more examples like this come in every day. And they have gone beyond just trying to derail the President's health insurance reform plans, they are trying to "break" the President himself and ruin his Presidency.

4. Their goal is to disrupt and shut down legitimate conversation. Protesters have routinely shouted down representatives trying to engage in constructive dialogue with voters, and done everything they can to intimidate and silence regular people who just want more information. One attack group has even published a manual instructing protesters to "stand up and shout" and try to "rattle" lawmakers to prevent them from talking peacefully with their constituents.

5. Republican leadership is irresponsibly cheering on the thuggish crowds. Republican House Minority Leader John Boehner issued a statement applauding and promoting a video of the disruptions and looking forward to "a long, hot August for Democrats in Congress."

It's time to expose this charade, before it gets more dangerous. Please send these facts to everyone you know. You can also post them on your website, blog, or Facebook page.

Now, more than ever, we need to stand strong together and defend the truth.

Thanks,

Jen

Jen O'Malley Dillon
Executive Director
Democratic National Committee
This is just FAIL...
Or is it?

http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colber … eplacement
https://thedanashow.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/iamthemob1.jpg?w=600&h=402
The "Mob"
Doctor Strangelove
Real Battlefield Veterinarian.
+1,758|6760

nickb64 wrote:

Doctor Strangelove wrote:

nickb64 wrote:


This is just FAIL...
Or is it?

http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colber … eplacement
http://thedanashow.files.wordpress.com/ … &h=402
The "Mob"
The point isn't that they're scary, it's that they are using tactics that make it seem like they are greater in number than they really are and are also unknowing pawns of special interest groups.
Harmor
Error_Name_Not_Found
+605|6840|San Diego, CA, USA

destruktion_6143 wrote:

so...whats wrong with people voluntarily sending in emails? Its not like the feds are secretly reading everyones emails. If someone you know would be inclined to turn in an email you sent them, well, you probably shouldnt be sending email to that person.

THIS IS VOLUNTARY, there isnt a law saying you HAVE to send in emails to the Feds.

Get over yourselves guys.
Those alarmists are afraid of McCarthyism...specifically the 'Second Red Scare'...

Also this could be a Leninist tactic they used in Russia.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6697|North Carolina

Harmor wrote:

destruktion_6143 wrote:

so...whats wrong with people voluntarily sending in emails? Its not like the feds are secretly reading everyones emails. If someone you know would be inclined to turn in an email you sent them, well, you probably shouldnt be sending email to that person.

THIS IS VOLUNTARY, there isnt a law saying you HAVE to send in emails to the Feds.

Get over yourselves guys.
Those alarmists are afraid of McCarthyism...specifically the 'Second Red Scare'...

Also this could be a Leninist tactic they used in Russia.
A second Red Scare...  Good point...  Liberals really shouldn't resort to what conservatives did back in the 50s.
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6703|'Murka

Turquoise wrote:

Harmor wrote:

destruktion_6143 wrote:

so...whats wrong with people voluntarily sending in emails? Its not like the feds are secretly reading everyones emails. If someone you know would be inclined to turn in an email you sent them, well, you probably shouldnt be sending email to that person.

THIS IS VOLUNTARY, there isnt a law saying you HAVE to send in emails to the Feds.

Get over yourselves guys.
Those alarmists are afraid of McCarthyism...specifically the 'Second Red Scare'...

Also this could be a Leninist tactic they used in Russia.
A second Red Scare...  Good point...  Liberals really shouldn't resort to what conservatives & liberals did back in the 50s.
fixed.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein

Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
13rin
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I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something.  - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
Harmor
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+605|6840|San Diego, CA, USA
Interesting video talking about how this is similar to what Nixon did in the 70s and how it was struck down by the Supreme court:
http://www.foxnews.com/video/index.html?playerId=011008
AussieReaper
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Ah, makes sense now.

The fear is being generated by Foxnews.
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