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2006-04-05 07:26:19
jonnykill
The Microwave Man
+235|6919
What ever became of the investigations finding the guy or people responcible for mailing Anthrax to the Press and White House ? Why haven't we heard anything about it ever again ? I mean that was what 4-5 terrorist attacks on America right ? And after 5 years of searching , if we still are lol , then why don't we have any leads ? I did a search and found this . Funny how we never really labled it a terrorist threat considering Anthrax IS biological warfare component . Even IF it was just an act of one lone man why not call it  terrorism ? Putting Anthrax in the mail will probably kill a few people but the media of course will blow it up and people will be terrified . So why not call just call it terrorism ?

http://www.hermes-press.com/anthrax_atrocities2.htm
2006-04-05 08:07:42
Rosse_modest
Member
+76|7015|Antwerp, Flanders
Gotta love those endospores.
2006-04-05 08:25:26
mofo65
Member
+6|6870|Valrico, FL USA

jonnykill wrote:

What ever became of the investigations finding the guy or people responcible for mailing Anthrax to the Press and White House ? Why haven't we heard anything about it ever again ? I mean that was what 4-5 terrorist attacks on America right ? And after 5 years of searching , if we still are lol , then why don't we have any leads ? I did a search and found this . Funny how we never really labled it a terrorist threat considering Anthrax IS biological warfare component . Even IF it was just an act of one lone man why not call it  terrorism ? Putting Anthrax in the mail will probably kill a few people but the media of course will blow it up and people will be terrified . So why not call just call it terrorism ?

http://www.hermes-press.com/anthrax_atrocities2.htm
Right wing terrorist groups are of no concern to the Dept. Homeland Security,  come on they targeted Tom Daschule.  Now if the letter was addressed to Tom Delay it would still be a front burner issue and Haliburton brand anthrax resitant duct tape would be an impulse item at every grocery store.
2006-04-05 08:32:19
cpt.fass1
The Cap'n Can Make it Hap'n
+329|6935|NJ
Well I didn't read the whole article, but why can't our "governments" catch anyone that's resbonsible for anything? They didn't get osama, or whoever did these attacks. This just seems like one of those control your people with fear sort of things, and I wouldn't be surprised if we have an other anthrax attack in the next 4 months.
2006-04-05 09:12:17
jonnykill
The Microwave Man
+235|6919
I wouldn't say we are going to get attacked in the next four months but If this guy was sucsessful and is still at large today then why did he stop ? Perhaps he just ran out of the stuff and didn't want to get nailed I dunno .
All I want to know is why the Homeland security peeps don't lable this as terrorism . I mean the CD snipers were labled as terrorists , why not a guy tossing Anthrax in the mail ? Just seems wierd .
2006-04-05 09:35:10
UON
Junglist Massive
+223|6893
We all know the lone man in this case was Bush.  He posted them the anthrax from his personal supply because they wouldn't support the war.  Admit it, who else had the means and the motive?
2006-04-05 10:00:33
Agent_Dung_Bomb
Member
+302|6975|Salt Lake City

UnOriginalNuttah wrote:

We all know the lone man in this case was Bush.  He posted them the anthrax from his personal supply because they wouldn't support the war.  Admit it, who else had the means and the motive?
Ooooh, I see a new X Files episode coming.
2006-04-05 10:03:03
jonnykill
The Microwave Man
+235|6919
Another strange things is that not all of the 9/11 conspiracy nuts are using this as " evidence " .
Anyhow I just don't understand how it never became of anything . Just poof - gone .
2006-04-05 10:29:53
cheshiremoe
Evil Geniuses for a sparsely populated tomorrow
+50|6948
The fact is that they are not making enough Anthrax vaccine for the majority of the population.   Only particular groups of people get the vaccine: Govt’ Officials, Army personnel, and Medical Workers.  The Politicians are protected and don’t care if the general public gets it because it would be two expensive.  Politicians don’t want to talk about it because people would ask why they are not making enough vaccine for everyone.

It is disturbing that nothing is being done to prepare us for a biological attack.  Having studied Biological weapons I learned that they are much easier to produce than nuclear and also much cheaper.  Only 1 year to develop an anthrax bomb equivalent to a nuclear weapon.  There have been a couple of tests of airborne release here in the US, at San Francisco Bay and in the NY subway system.  Both tests used non harmful viruses and showed that the majority of the population of each city would be infected depending on conditions (weather).   You can grow enough anthrax in a chicken egg to kill everybody in NY.  I will post the name of good book on biological weapons if anyone is interested, it has lots of info, it is not a light read and it is not too long.

Last edited by cheshiremoe (2006-04-05 10:30:39)

2006-04-05 10:38:30
wannabe_tank_whore
Member
+5|7017

jonnykill wrote:

What ever became of the investigations finding the guy or people responcible for mailing Anthrax to the Press and White House ? Why haven't we heard anything about it ever again ? I mean that was what 4-5 terrorist attacks on America right ? And after 5 years of searching , if we still are lol , then why don't we have any leads ? I did a search and found this . Funny how we never really labled it a terrorist threat considering Anthrax IS biological warfare component . Even IF it was just an act of one lone man why not call it  terrorism ? Putting Anthrax in the mail will probably kill a few people but the media of course will blow it up and people will be terrified . So why not call just call it terrorism ?

http://www.hermes-press.com/anthrax_atrocities2.htm
Search a little harder next time.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/anthrax/story … 28,00.html

One suspect but little evidence connecting him to the crimes.
2006-04-05 10:41:01
wannabe_tank_whore
Member
+5|7017

jonnykill wrote:

I wouldn't say we are going to get attacked in the next four months but If this guy was sucsessful and is still at large today then why did he stop ? Perhaps he just ran out of the stuff and didn't want to get nailed I dunno .
All I want to know is why the Homeland security peeps don't lable this as terrorism . I mean the CD snipers were labled as terrorists , why not a guy tossing Anthrax in the mail ? Just seems wierd .
Search for Ex Post Facto.

Explains it clearly.
2006-04-05 11:26:33
jonnykill
The Microwave Man
+235|6919
Yeah , they sure give a good reason . Since only one guy was attacked they didn't call it terrorism . Then more people die and they say " well it didn't have a chemical to prevent it from clutering together " or some shit . They also claim we haven't been messing around with chemical weapons since the sixties - yeah umm humm - right .
2006-04-05 11:44:01
wannabe_tank_whore
Member
+5|7017

jonnykill wrote:

Yeah , they sure give a good reason . Since only one guy was attacked they didn't call it terrorism . Then more people die and they say " well it didn't have a chemical to prevent it from clutering together " or some shit . They also claim we haven't been messing around with chemical weapons since the sixties - yeah umm humm - right .
They are calling it terrorism.


Do you need me to hold your hand while you use the bathroom, jonny.

http://archives.cnn.com/2001/HEALTH/con … ax.terror/
2006-04-05 12:19:12
KEN-JENNINGS
I am all that is MOD!
+2,979|6871|949

More relevant than what they are labeling it is why the investigation is not publicized.  At the time of these attacks, the media and public were all over it.  I don't see why the government and media are interested in Jose Padilla, a man ALLEGED to have wanted to carry out a terrorist attack, and not whoever/whatever was behind the anthrax attacks, something that did happen.
2006-04-05 18:20:35
jonnykill
The Microwave Man
+235|6919

wannabe_tank_whore wrote:

jonnykill wrote:

Yeah , they sure give a good reason . Since only one guy was attacked they didn't call it terrorism . Then more people die and they say " well it didn't have a chemical to prevent it from clutering together " or some shit . They also claim we haven't been messing around with chemical weapons since the sixties - yeah umm humm - right .
They are calling it terrorism.


Do you need me to hold your hand while you use the bathroom, jonny.

http://archives.cnn.com/2001/HEALTH/con … ax.terror/
Thank you very much

sall I needed . Anyhow I know who exaclty is behind all this shit .......... I want the salery of an FBI agent lol

http://www.statesman.com/news/content/n … IANKA.html
2006-04-05 19:50:07
2ndLt.Tucker
If you can read this, your already dead
+33|6922|Stillwater, Ok
Lol some people. Even the anthrax vaccines are causing unknown problem for those who have had them.  One reason I havent gotten it yet myself.  But all your guys conspiracy theories are really pathetic.  Whoever said it was easy to make biological weapons makes me feel safe knowing that you know how to. Let me tell you nothing like a guy homegrowing the shit in our own back yard. But there is a HUGE difference between those made at home and those made in a high tech lab.  Not too mention the guy who sent it through the mail obviously didnt know that heat will destroy almost any chemical or biological weapon.  That why they are almost useless in the desert unless dropped right on you. It takes 10 second for a chemical weapon to lose all lethality in 100 degree heat.  But still I'm getting sick of all the Left wing associates screaming Conspiracy.
2006-04-05 20:15:49
GunSlinger OIF II
Banned.
+1,860|6883
Serious question.  Ive had at least half a dozen anthrax shots over the years,  I hear a lot of horror stories about side effects.  Like you cant be exposed to sunlight if you have an alergiv reaction.  I also hear that there are long term side effects.  Im just wondering if anybody has any knowledge of the anthrax vaccine.  Also, what are some of the effects of being exposed to depleted uranium dust.
2006-04-05 20:18:04
GunSlinger OIF II
Banned.
+1,860|6883

2ndLt.Tucker wrote:

Lol some people. Even the anthrax vaccines are causing unknown problem for those who have had them.  One reason I havent gotten it yet myself.  But all your guys conspiracy theories are really pathetic.  Whoever said it was easy to make biological weapons makes me feel safe knowing that you know how to. Let me tell you nothing like a guy homegrowing the shit in our own back yard. But there is a HUGE difference between those made at home and those made in a high tech lab.  Not too mention the guy who sent it through the mail obviously didnt know that heat will destroy almost any chemical or biological weapon.  That why they are almost useless in the desert unless dropped right on you. It takes 10 second for a chemical weapon to lose all lethality in 100 degree heat.  But still I'm getting sick of all the Left wing associates screaming Conspiracy.
Ive also been told that the anthrax vaccine is pretty useless for the purpose we give it to our military personel.  It has not been proven to defend against inhaled spores.
2006-04-05 20:28:18
jonnykill
The Microwave Man
+235|6919

2ndLt.Tucker wrote:

Lol some people. Even the anthrax vaccines are causing unknown problem for those who have had them.  One reason I havent gotten it yet myself.  But all your guys conspiracy theories are really pathetic.  Whoever said it was easy to make biological weapons makes me feel safe knowing that you know how to. Let me tell you nothing like a guy homegrowing the shit in our own back yard. But there is a HUGE difference between those made at home and those made in a high tech lab.  Not too mention the guy who sent it through the mail obviously didnt know that heat will destroy almost any chemical or biological weapon.  That why they are almost useless in the desert unless dropped right on you. It takes 10 second for a chemical weapon to lose all lethality in 100 degree heat.  But still I'm getting sick of all the Left wing associates screaming Conspiracy.
Ok but anyway it killed 6 people so what is your point of saying it dosen't reach it's goal - terror ? These places it was used sucsessfully wasn't in a desert as well  .
It also worked well with Hattub in Chechnya lolz .
2006-04-05 21:23:50
sfg-Ice__
Member
+4|6892
cheshiremoe and GunSlinger OIF II, this is for you.

As some of you may know the company the produce the anthrax vaccine was shut down several times for health code related issues.  Also, the anthrax viruse that many military and top ranking officals took only protected against the most common forms of the virus. 

Just a side note..prior to its mass dispersion to the military is was only tested on monkeys.

In the end the US company lost its contract to produce it for (what I think( was some bogus reasons.  The US now gets the vaccine from a company in England and therefore since the supply dropped signifcantly the mass dispersion to the military drops alot. 

Now, during its introduction to the military many people refused to take it because of the stated reasons above.  Those people where then ordered to take it.  IF they refused again then they recieved a JP and most likly got a chicken dinner.  I read of a bunch of officers who resigned vice taking the vaccine.

As far as side effects, from what I understand the most common ones are persistant flu like symptoms, extreme sensitivity to light (with some reactions in some cases), random vomiting, etc,  etc...

ALot of bad shit really.

Now as far as Depleted Uranium dust, Gun  if your out you need to make sure that it is entered in your record somehow.  If your in you need to make sure it is entered in your record.  I will tell you this.  If you have problems related to this years from now and its not documented you can bet your ass your not going to a any help.  Feel free to PM me.  I recently got out and may be able to help you out with some stuff.

Here are some links of D.U.D.E  (depleted Uranium Dust Exposure) lol

http://www.pdhealth.mil/downloads/Milit … _of_DU.pdf

http://www.health-physics.com/pt/re/hea … 44!9001!-1

http://www.health-physics.com/pt/re/hea … 44!9001!-1

http://www.publicpolicy.umd.edu/Fetter/1999-SAGS-DU.pdf

http://www.health-physics.com/pt/re/hea … 45!9001!-1


Hope these help..
2006-04-06 03:55:06
unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+2,053|7011|PNW

People are still worried about anthrax when there's that H5N1 strain mutating about the planet?
2006-04-06 05:20:53
Rosse_modest
Member
+76|7015|Antwerp, Flanders

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

People are still worried about anthrax when there's that H5N1 strain mutating about the planet?
That's just a virus, dead organic matter fails to impress me
2006-04-06 15:24:54
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|6914|Canberra, AUS

Rosse_modest wrote:

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

People are still worried about anthrax when there's that H5N1 strain mutating about the planet?
That's just a virus, dead organic matter fails to impress me
It should scare you when you find out that H5N1 is similar to a strain known H1N1, or the Spanish flu. Killed 50 million people.

Wikipedia wrote:

Recent research of Taubenberger et al has shown that the 1918 virus, like H5N1, was also an avian influenza virus. [29] Furthermore, Tumpey and colleagues who reconstructed the H1N1 virus of 1918 came to the conclusion that it is was most notably the polymerase genes and the HA and NA genes that caused the extreme virulence of this virus. [30] The sequences of the polymerase proteins (PA, PB1, and PB2) of the 1918 virus and subsequent human viruses differ by only 10 amino acids from the avian influenza viruses. Viruses with seven of the ten amino acids in the human influenza locations have already been identified in currently circulating H5N1. It is not unlikely that the other mutations eventually will surface and make the H5N1 virus capable of human-to-human transmission. Another important factor is the change of the HA protein to a binding preference for alpha 2,6 sialic acid (the major form in the human respiratory tract). In avian virus the HA protein preferentially binds to alpha 2,3 sialic acid, which is the major form in the avian enteric tract. It has been shown that only a single amino acid change can result in the change of this binding preference. Altogether, only a handful of mutations need to take place in order for H5N1 avian flu to become a pandemic virus like the one of 1918.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
2006-04-06 22:17:28
Rosse_modest
Member
+76|7015|Antwerp, Flanders

Spark wrote:

Rosse_modest wrote:

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

People are still worried about anthrax when there's that H5N1 strain mutating about the planet?
That's just a virus, dead organic matter fails to impress me
It should scare you when you find out that H5N1 is similar to a strain known H1N1, or the Spanish flu. Killed 50 million people.
Scare me a bit, yes.
Impress me, no. It's dead. It doesn't do anything.
2006-04-07 06:43:20
cheshiremoe
Evil Geniuses for a sparsely populated tomorrow
+50|6948

sfg-Ice__ wrote:

...
Just a side note..prior to its mass dispersion to the military is was only tested on monkeys.

In the end the US company lost its contract to produce it for (what I think( was some bogus reasons.  The US now gets the vaccine from a company in England and therefore since the supply dropped signifcantly the mass dispersion to the military drops alot. 
...
As far as side effects, from what I understand the most common ones are persistant flu like symptoms, extreme sensitivity to light (with some reactions in some cases), random vomiting, etc,  etc...

ALot of bad shit really.
With the vaccine's limited span of protection in both what strains works against and how long it last ( only couple of years before you have to get re-vaccinated) plus the side effects, It is not good for general population unless there is a high likely hood of an anthrax attack.  There should still be a larger surplus of the vaccine for the population at large in case of an out break.  I don't remember what the shelf life of the anthrax vaccine is though.

  Iraq received some 34 samples of Anthrax 17 of witch came from the US and as they 3 had mobile Bio labs it would have been easy for them to produce a weapon over a short time.

Anthrax strains that are highly resistant to anti-biotic have been created (made in Russia).  Anthrax is also very stable in storage unlike viruses.   Scientists pulled viable Anthrax spores form a sugar cube that was in a WWI museum for 75 years (the WWI intended use was to infect horses and live stock and disrupt supply lines).  It took more than 50 years for a small island used in WWII for testing anthrax to become habitable again despite efforts of clean up.  There are plenty of other Biological weapons that could be made, but Anthrax is a likely choice because:

Relatively easy to acquire
It’s stable
It’s mortality rate is high
Weapon production time is low
Cost to produce is less than chemical weapons.

Depleted uranium is bad stuff too.  Supposedly there has been some sickness in Iran from the first Gulf War because of all the tank rounds the US fired creating D.U.D.E.

 

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