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2009-07-31 03:26:12
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6700|'Murka

CameronPoe wrote:

American politics more centrist? Get back to me with the number of Republicans in the Senate and Congress voting in favour of UHC when the votes actually happen..... .
THAT's your measure of centrism? Seriously?

That simply points to Turq's statement regarding the relative nature of centrism. Centrism in Europe is left of center in the US. Centrism in the US is right of center in Europe. Centrism in the ME is somewhere to the right of fascism.

It's all relative.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
2009-07-31 08:28:45
Braddock
Agitator
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Flaming_Maniac wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

I think you might find that American politics jumped the shark quite some time ago. Enjoy swinging from one extreme to another for the next however many centuries it takes for the thing to unravel.

http://www.strategosinc.com/images/feedba1.gif

Maybe it's just the engineer in me. I don't get why moderation seems to be such a dirty word.
lol, American politics is going the other way. Both parties are becoming more and more similar, and as a result, more moderate.

The problem is the middle ground is absolutely stupid, no matter who you are.
Hold on a minute... we've still got the bad taste of George Bush in our mouth (a right-wing, war-mongering, cut-throat Capitalist, fundamental Christian) and his replacement Barrack Obama has been heralded as the Communist antichrist.

It seems to me that both parties are getting further apart. As Cam says, America is the land of excess, it's all or nothing with you guys, I doubt you'll ever even get a sniff at the middle road in this lifetime.
2009-07-31 11:56:02
CameronPoe
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FEOS wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

American politics more centrist? Get back to me with the number of Republicans in the Senate and Congress voting in favour of UHC when the votes actually happen..... .
THAT's your measure of centrism? Seriously?

That simply points to Turq's statement regarding the relative nature of centrism. Centrism in Europe is left of center in the US. Centrism in the US is right of center in Europe. Centrism in the ME is somewhere to the right of fascism.

It's all relative.
It's all relative and the relativity we're talking about is between what passes for left and right in the US, with specific reference to a number of policy areas. A polarised political landscapte does not a centrist nation make, period. I wasn't comparing anything to Europe.

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2009-07-31 12:31:40
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6700|'Murka

CameronPoe wrote:

FEOS wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

American politics more centrist? Get back to me with the number of Republicans in the Senate and Congress voting in favour of UHC when the votes actually happen..... .
THAT's your measure of centrism? Seriously?

That simply points to Turq's statement regarding the relative nature of centrism. Centrism in Europe is left of center in the US. Centrism in the US is right of center in Europe. Centrism in the ME is somewhere to the right of fascism.

It's all relative.
It's all relative and the relativity we're talking about is between what passes for left and right in the US, with specific reference to a number of policy areas. A polarised political landscapte does not a centrist nation make, period. I wasn't comparing anything to Europe.
Read your first post in the quotation, Cam. In terms of American politics, UHC is far from centrist.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
2009-07-31 15:01:46
CameronPoe
Member
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FEOS wrote:

Read your first post in the quotation, Cam. In terms of American politics, UHC is far from centrist.
Hence my point: American politics is not centrist - one party is pushing for UHC, the other abhors it (diametrically opposed). QED. We're talking about a 180 swing in ethos.

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2009-07-31 15:02:39
Red Forman
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CameronPoe wrote:

FEOS wrote:

Read your first post in the quotation, Cam. In terms of American politics, UHC is far from centrist.
Hence my point: American politics is not centrist - one party is pushing for UHC, the other abhors it (diametrically opposed). QED.
Really?  Then why can't obama get it passed?
2009-07-31 15:06:58
CameronPoe
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Red Forman wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

FEOS wrote:

Read your first post in the quotation, Cam. In terms of American politics, UHC is far from centrist.
Hence my point: American politics is not centrist - one party is pushing for UHC, the other abhors it (diametrically opposed). QED.
Really?  Then why can't obama get it passed?
The details of the Affordable Health Choices Act have yet to be fleshed out properly, that's why. One of the main sticking points, I gather, is in relation to whether the government should provide public insurance. Do you think the cost implications will bother a Democrat party that passed that American Recovery Act?

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2009-07-31 15:12:37
Red Forman
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CameronPoe wrote:

Red Forman wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:


Hence my point: American politics is not centrist - one party is pushing for UHC, the other abhors it (diametrically opposed). QED.
Really?  Then why can't obama get it passed?
The details of the Affordable Health Choices Act have yet to be fleshed out properly, that's why. One of the main sticking points, I gather, is in relation to whether the government should provide public insurance. Do you think the cost implications will bother a Democrat party that passed that American Recovery Act?
I think they are due for election next year and are being careful.
2009-07-31 15:14:33
CameronPoe
Member
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Red Forman wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

Red Forman wrote:


Really?  Then why can't obama get it passed?
The details of the Affordable Health Choices Act have yet to be fleshed out properly, that's why. One of the main sticking points, I gather, is in relation to whether the government should provide public insurance. Do you think the cost implications will bother a Democrat party that passed that American Recovery Act?
I think they are due for election next year and are being careful.
Well time will tell.
2009-07-31 22:04:50
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6700|'Murka

CameronPoe wrote:

FEOS wrote:

Read your first post in the quotation, Cam. In terms of American politics, UHC is far from centrist.
Hence my point: American politics is not centrist - one party is pushing for UHC, the other abhors it (diametrically opposed). QED. We're talking about a 180 swing in ethos.
But your implication was that them coming together to pass UHC would be centrist. It would not.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
2009-07-31 22:08:34
13urnzz
Banned
+5,830|6787

FEOS wrote:

But your implication was that them coming together to pass UHC would be centrist. It would not.
oh God no, a Republican would rather stop fornicating with the C street band than that . . .
2009-07-31 22:09:36
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6700|'Murka

burnzz wrote:

FEOS wrote:

But your implication was that them coming together to pass UHC would be centrist. It would not.
oh God no, a Republican would rather stop fornicating with the C street band than that . . .
It's not just Republicans. It's this legislation, tbh.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
2009-07-31 22:16:42
13urnzz
Banned
+5,830|6787

FEOS wrote:

It's not just Republicans. It's this legislation, tbh.
well, yeah; so-called blue dogs too.

but taking a broader look, i see what you mean.
2009-07-31 22:30:33
Harmor
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+605|6838|San Diego, CA, USA
Don't think the Democrats are out for the count.  There's still 18 months before the next election to turn things around.  They are overreaching like they did in 1992-1994...if they keep this up it'll be a Republican congress in 2010.
2009-07-31 22:37:30
13urnzz
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Harmor, by chance do you read the San Diego Union ?
i was born in La Jolla . . .
2009-07-31 23:16:38
CameronPoe
Member
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FEOS wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

FEOS wrote:

Read your first post in the quotation, Cam. In terms of American politics, UHC is far from centrist.
Hence my point: American politics is not centrist - one party is pushing for UHC, the other abhors it (diametrically opposed). QED. We're talking about a 180 swing in ethos.
But your implication was that them coming together to pass UHC would be centrist. It would not.
That is not what I was driving at. I clearly imply that the Dems are pushing legislation that is a distinct lurch to the other side of the political spectrum, in the American context, that they have the numbers to pass. My reference to the lack of bipartisanship across most important legislation is just further reinforcing the fact that there is a pronounced bipolarity - one extreme to another.
2009-07-31 23:33:56
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6695|North Carolina

FEOS wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

American politics more centrist? Get back to me with the number of Republicans in the Senate and Congress voting in favour of UHC when the votes actually happen..... .
THAT's your measure of centrism? Seriously?

That simply points to Turq's statement regarding the relative nature of centrism. Centrism in Europe is left of center in the US. Centrism in the US is right of center in Europe. Centrism in the ME is somewhere to the right of fascism.

It's all relative.
Thanks for the credit, but I'd like to point out that what makes our part of the global political spectrum disturbing is how we're considerably more conservative than the rest of the First World.

In general, Third World countries are the most conservative, while First World countries are the most liberal.  America is in-between, but ever since the 80s, we've moved closer to the Third World/conservative side.

This is not a good thing, because with that, greater wealth disparity usually comes.  It's already apparent when looking at our wealth disparity as compared to most of Western Europe.
2009-08-01 08:38:21
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6700|'Murka

CameronPoe wrote:

FEOS wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:


Hence my point: American politics is not centrist - one party is pushing for UHC, the other abhors it (diametrically opposed). QED. We're talking about a 180 swing in ethos.
But your implication was that them coming together to pass UHC would be centrist. It would not.
That is not what I was driving at. I clearly imply that the Dems are pushing legislation that is a distinct lurch to the other side of the political spectrum, in the American context, that they have the numbers to pass. My reference to the lack of bipartisanship across most important legislation is just further reinforcing the fact that there is a pronounced bipolarity - one extreme to another.
Lack of bipartisanship on crappy legislation is not a bad thing.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
2009-08-01 10:15:24
Harmor
Error_Name_Not_Found
+605|6838|San Diego, CA, USA

FEOS wrote:

Lack of bipartisanship on crappy legislation is not a bad thing.
Agreed.  A bad bill is a bad bill no matter who proposes it. 

Let see how far the Democrat's reach...they always overreach.  Now if you excuse me I'm going to go donate money to the Recall Assemblyman Anothony Adams campaign to get him out of office (he was the lone Republican that got the taxes increased by 12 billion in California - costing me ~$3,000 more taxes per year).

 

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