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2009-07-28 19:07:56
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6695|North Carolina

lowing wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:


Of course, entrepreneurialism is working out how to achieve the maximum return for minimum effort and outlay.
If blood, sweat and tears can be avoided entirely then so much the better.

Thats capitalism, plain and simple.
We definitely agree on this one.
really?, so you both think being an entrepreneur means being as lazy as you can be for as much as you can make?

Oh well.
No, what I'm saying (and I think Dilbert is saying) is that cutting corners is often part of the equation.  If you can find an easier way to do something, that often translates into more efficiency, and consequently, more profit.

Innovation is sometimes a matter of simplifying a currently complicated process.
2009-07-29 02:12:14
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6941|USA

Turquoise wrote:

lowing wrote:

Turquoise wrote:


We definitely agree on this one.
really?, so you both think being an entrepreneur means being as lazy as you can be for as much as you can make?

Oh well.
No, what I'm saying (and I think Dilbert is saying) is that cutting corners is often part of the equation.  If you can find an easier way to do something, that often translates into more efficiency, and consequently, more profit.

Innovation is sometimes a matter of simplifying a currently complicated process.
Ok you do realize something actually has to be done first, BEFORE it can be done better?

entrepreneurs take ideas they have and bring them to market often through years of trial an error, which can and has cost them money, time, relationships, and yes quality of life. For you to say what you said is nothing short of an insult to all of those that sacrificed for a dream made inot a reality.
2009-07-30 07:22:04
Narupug
Fodder Mostly
+150|5886|Vacationland

lowing wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

lowing wrote:


really?, so you both think being an entrepreneur means being as lazy as you can be for as much as you can make?

Oh well.
No, what I'm saying (and I think Dilbert is saying) is that cutting corners is often part of the equation.  If you can find an easier way to do something, that often translates into more efficiency, and consequently, more profit.

Innovation is sometimes a matter of simplifying a currently complicated process.
Ok you do realize something actually has to be done first, BEFORE it can be done better?

entrepreneurs take ideas they have and bring them to market often through years of trial an error, which can and has cost them money, time, relationships, and yes quality of life. For you to say what you said is nothing short of an insult to all of those that sacrificed for a dream made inot a reality.
https://pix.motivatedphotos.com/2009/2/19/633706835558642610-neocons.jpg
2009-07-30 10:20:32
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6941|USA

Narupug wrote:

lowing wrote:

Turquoise wrote:


No, what I'm saying (and I think Dilbert is saying) is that cutting corners is often part of the equation.  If you can find an easier way to do something, that often translates into more efficiency, and consequently, more profit.

Innovation is sometimes a matter of simplifying a currently complicated process.
Ok you do realize something actually has to be done first, BEFORE it can be done better?

entrepreneurs take ideas they have and bring them to market often through years of trial an error, which can and has cost them money, time, relationships, and yes quality of life. For you to say what you said is nothing short of an insult to all of those that sacrificed for a dream made into a reality.
http://pix.motivatedphotos.com/2009/2/1 … eocons.jpg
Not sure how you get NEO-CON out of my post that you quoted. It appears you found a new pic, and just couldn't wait to use it, so you put it anywhere. It woulda been more amusing if it actually was relevant to what was said. Oh well.
2009-07-30 11:56:42
Narupug
Fodder Mostly
+150|5886|Vacationland

lowing wrote:

Narupug wrote:

lowing wrote:


Ok you do realize something actually has to be done first, BEFORE it can be done better?

entrepreneurs take ideas they have and bring them to market often through years of trial an error, which can and has cost them money, time, relationships, and yes quality of life. For you to say what you said is nothing short of an insult to all of those that sacrificed for a dream made into a reality.
http://pix.motivatedphotos.com/2009/2/1 … eocons.jpg
Not sure how you get NEO-CON out of my post that you quoted. It appears you found a new pic, and just couldn't wait to use it, so you put it anywhere. It woulda been more amusing if it actually was relevant to what was said. Oh well.
It's a response to you and your philosophies lowing, not to your post.
2009-07-30 13:18:24
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6941|USA

Narupug wrote:

lowing wrote:

Narupug wrote:


http://pix.motivatedphotos.com/2009/2/1 … eocons.jpg
Not sure how you get NEO-CON out of my post that you quoted. It appears you found a new pic, and just couldn't wait to use it, so you put it anywhere. It woulda been more amusing if it actually was relevant to what was said. Oh well.
It's a response to you and your philosophies lowing, not to your post.
my philosophy is personal responsibility above all. Sorry, you feel your quality of life should be controlled by the govt. Whic his more toward fascism than my beliefs are by the way.
2009-07-30 13:37:34
Narupug
Fodder Mostly
+150|5886|Vacationland

lowing wrote:

Narupug wrote:

lowing wrote:


Not sure how you get NEO-CON out of my post that you quoted. It appears you found a new pic, and just couldn't wait to use it, so you put it anywhere. It woulda been more amusing if it actually was relevant to what was said. Oh well.
It's a response to you and your philosophies lowing, not to your post.
my philosophy is personal responsibility above all. Sorry, you feel your quality of life should be controlled by the govt. Whic his more toward fascism than my beliefs are by the way.
whatever helps you sleep at night
2009-07-30 13:44:32
Catbox
forgiveness
+505|7006

Narupug wrote:

lowing wrote:

Turquoise wrote:


No, what I'm saying (and I think Dilbert is saying) is that cutting corners is often part of the equation.  If you can find an easier way to do something, that often translates into more efficiency, and consequently, more profit.

Innovation is sometimes a matter of simplifying a currently complicated process.
Ok you do realize something actually has to be done first, BEFORE it can be done better?

entrepreneurs take ideas they have and bring them to market often through years of trial an error, which can and has cost them money, time, relationships, and yes quality of life. For you to say what you said is nothing short of an insult to all of those that sacrificed for a dream made inot a reality.
http://pix.motivatedphotos.com/2009/2/1 … eocons.jpg
So... socialist communism is good and personal responsibility is evil...
I learn something new every day...lol
Love is the answer
2009-07-30 13:49:27
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6941|USA

[TUF]Catbox wrote:

Narupug wrote:

lowing wrote:


Ok you do realize something actually has to be done first, BEFORE it can be done better?

entrepreneurs take ideas they have and bring them to market often through years of trial an error, which can and has cost them money, time, relationships, and yes quality of life. For you to say what you said is nothing short of an insult to all of those that sacrificed for a dream made inot a reality.
http://pix.motivatedphotos.com/2009/2/1 … eocons.jpg
So... socialist communism is good and personal responsibility is evil...
I learn something new every day...lol
It is kinda what he is implying isn't it?
2009-07-30 13:53:02
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6941|USA

Narupug wrote:

lowing wrote:

Narupug wrote:


It's a response to you and your philosophies lowing, not to your post.
my philosophy is personal responsibility above all. Sorry, you feel your quality of life should be controlled by the govt. Whic his more toward fascism than my beliefs are by the way.
whatever helps you sleep at night
Unfortuantely for your argument it is more than what makes me sleep at night, it also happens to be the truth.
2009-07-30 14:08:55
Swan
The town bike
+54|5737

lowing wrote:

http://omg.yahoo.com/news/court-docs-octomom-inks-showbiz-deal-for-tots/25663

We have sunken to an all new low, people are actually going to celebrate this piece of shit by paying her to be such.

she is the new liberal, "look what idiocy did for me, it can happen to you", poster child

How much ya wanna bet she is an Obama supporter?
If anyone even watches reality shows, I believe that they are tools.

Regardless, she is a model citizen.
2009-07-30 17:24:49
Narupug
Fodder Mostly
+150|5886|Vacationland

lowing wrote:

[TUF]Catbox wrote:

Narupug wrote:


http://pix.motivatedphotos.com/2009/2/1 … eocons.jpg
So... socialist communism is good and personal responsibility is evil...
I learn something new every day...lol
It is kinda what he is implying isn't it?
I think it's on the right track...
2009-07-30 18:17:19
oug
Calmer than you are.
+380|6809|Πάϊ

Spark wrote:

i know this is lowing but connecting this to Obama and liberalism is a stretch, even for him.
besides isn't doing it all for the money a right-wing thing? lol
ƒ³
2009-07-30 19:20:14
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6941|USA

Narupug wrote:

lowing wrote:

[TUF]Catbox wrote:


So... socialist communism is good and personal responsibility is evil...
I learn something new every day...lol
It is kinda what he is implying isn't it?
I think it's on the right track...
Then I feel for ya.
2009-07-30 21:28:32
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6695|North Carolina

lowing wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

lowing wrote:


really?, so you both think being an entrepreneur means being as lazy as you can be for as much as you can make?

Oh well.
No, what I'm saying (and I think Dilbert is saying) is that cutting corners is often part of the equation.  If you can find an easier way to do something, that often translates into more efficiency, and consequently, more profit.

Innovation is sometimes a matter of simplifying a currently complicated process.
Ok you do realize something actually has to be done first, BEFORE it can be done better?

entrepreneurs take ideas they have and bring them to market often through years of trial an error, which can and has cost them money, time, relationships, and yes quality of life. For you to say what you said is nothing short of an insult to all of those that sacrificed for a dream made inot a reality.
Initiative is clearly taken, but I'm neither insulting nor glorifying their efforts.

You seem to revere entrepreneurs.  I don't.  I don't revile them either.  I simply recognize that what they do is for self-gain in addition to serving their customers.  It's simply a tradeoff.  For me, it deserves neither respect nor resentment.
2009-07-30 22:06:38
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6941|USA

Turquoise wrote:

lowing wrote:

Turquoise wrote:


No, what I'm saying (and I think Dilbert is saying) is that cutting corners is often part of the equation.  If you can find an easier way to do something, that often translates into more efficiency, and consequently, more profit.

Innovation is sometimes a matter of simplifying a currently complicated process.
Ok you do realize something actually has to be done first, BEFORE it can be done better?

entrepreneurs take ideas they have and bring them to market often through years of trial an error, which can and has cost them money, time, relationships, and yes quality of life. For you to say what you said is nothing short of an insult to all of those that sacrificed for a dream made inot a reality.
Initiative is clearly taken, but I'm neither insulting nor glorifying their efforts.

You seem to revere entrepreneurs.  I don't.  I don't revile them either.  I simply recognize that what they do is for self-gain in addition to serving their customers.  It's simply a tradeoff.  For me, it deserves neither respect nor resentment.
Maybe you should start revering them if not recognize their contributions and their sacrifices , they are the ones that provide the jobs that feed your family. Of course what they do is for self gain, success for the rest of us is also the by-product of their success. You should know that.
2009-07-30 22:13:16
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6695|North Carolina

lowing wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

lowing wrote:


Ok you do realize something actually has to be done first, BEFORE it can be done better?

entrepreneurs take ideas they have and bring them to market often through years of trial an error, which can and has cost them money, time, relationships, and yes quality of life. For you to say what you said is nothing short of an insult to all of those that sacrificed for a dream made inot a reality.
Initiative is clearly taken, but I'm neither insulting nor glorifying their efforts.

You seem to revere entrepreneurs.  I don't.  I don't revile them either.  I simply recognize that what they do is for self-gain in addition to serving their customers.  It's simply a tradeoff.  For me, it deserves neither respect nor resentment.
Maybe you should start revering them if not recognize their contributions and their sacrifices , they are the ones that provide the jobs that feed your family. Of course what they do is for self gain, success for the rest of us is also the by-product of their success. You should know that.
I do recognize achievement and innovation, if that's what you're asking.  I just don't attribute a lot of respect to that, because again, it's a trade.  Innovation does benefit us, but the other side of the coin is that community is equally important -- but rarely respected in this society.
2009-07-30 22:24:06
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6941|USA

Turquoise wrote:

lowing wrote:

Turquoise wrote:


Initiative is clearly taken, but I'm neither insulting nor glorifying their efforts.

You seem to revere entrepreneurs.  I don't.  I don't revile them either.  I simply recognize that what they do is for self-gain in addition to serving their customers.  It's simply a tradeoff.  For me, it deserves neither respect nor resentment.
Maybe you should start revering them if not recognize their contributions and their sacrifices , they are the ones that provide the jobs that feed your family. Of course what they do is for self gain, success for the rest of us is also the by-product of their success. You should know that.
I do recognize achievement and innovation, if that's what you're asking.  I just don't attribute a lot of respect to that, because again, it's a trade.  Innovation does benefit us, but the other side of the coin is that community is equally important -- but rarely respected in this society.
Well turquoise, how do you think a community is built? It isn't by standing around ewith your hand held out waiting for someone to do something for you. there is no other side of the coin, society and community is built by innovation, sacrifice and contribution, this is done by people willing to take the risk. The rest of us pick up the scraps and build a quality life.
2009-07-30 22:34:29
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6695|North Carolina

lowing wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

lowing wrote:


Maybe you should start revering them if not recognize their contributions and their sacrifices , they are the ones that provide the jobs that feed your family. Of course what they do is for self gain, success for the rest of us is also the by-product of their success. You should know that.
I do recognize achievement and innovation, if that's what you're asking.  I just don't attribute a lot of respect to that, because again, it's a trade.  Innovation does benefit us, but the other side of the coin is that community is equally important -- but rarely respected in this society.
Well turquoise, how do you think a community is built? It isn't by standing around ewith your hand held out waiting for someone to do something for you. there is no other side of the coin, society and community is built by innovation, sacrifice and contribution, this is done by people willing to take the risk. The rest of us pick up the scraps and build a quality life.
This is kind of one of those "chicken or egg" arguments.  I could easily point out that entrepreneurs require a community of customers to provide a common need that they can exploit.

The end point to all this is that we need each other.

I'll make you a deal.  If you respect community, I'll respect entrepreneurship.
2009-07-30 22:45:28
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6941|USA

Turquoise wrote:

lowing wrote:

Turquoise wrote:


I do recognize achievement and innovation, if that's what you're asking.  I just don't attribute a lot of respect to that, because again, it's a trade.  Innovation does benefit us, but the other side of the coin is that community is equally important -- but rarely respected in this society.
Well turquoise, how do you think a community is built? It isn't by standing around ewith your hand held out waiting for someone to do something for you. there is no other side of the coin, society and community is built by innovation, sacrifice and contribution, this is done by people willing to take the risk. The rest of us pick up the scraps and build a quality life.
This is kind of one of those "chicken or egg" arguments.  I could easily point out that entrepreneurs require a community of customers to provide a common need that they can exploit.

The end point to all this is that we need each other.

I'll make you a deal.  If you respect community, I'll respect entrepreneurship.
How in the world could you ever assume I do not respect community? I do nt respect those that are willing to leech off of it without contributing anything.  No society NEEDS leeches and tics bleeding it dry while contributing NOTHING in return.

I obey its laws I work in it, and I contribute to it. How much more respect do think I should give?
2009-07-30 22:47:14
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6695|North Carolina

lowing wrote:

How in the world could you ever assume I do not respect community? I do nt respect those that are willing to leech off of it without contributing anything.  No society NEEDS leeches and tics bleeding it dry while contributing NOTHING in return.

I obey its laws I work in it, and I contribute to it. How much more respect do think I should give?
Just checking lowing...    Don't take it personally.
2009-07-31 06:27:16
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6941|USA

Turquoise wrote:

lowing wrote:

How in the world could you ever assume I do not respect community? I do nt respect those that are willing to leech off of it without contributing anything.  No society NEEDS leeches and tics bleeding it dry while contributing NOTHING in return.

I obey its laws I work in it, and I contribute to it. How much more respect do think I should give?
Just checking lowing...    Don't take it personally.
Oh, I musta mis-understood the fact that WE were talking, and you were quoting ME. That is why I took it personally.
2009-07-31 08:09:24
Braddock
Agitator
+916|6580|Éire

lowing wrote:

http://omg.yahoo.com/news/court-docs-octomom-inks-showbiz-deal-for-tots/25663

We have sunken to an all new low, people are actually going to celebrate this piece of shit by paying her to be such.

she is the new liberal, "look what idiocy did for me, it can happen to you", poster child

How much ya wanna bet she is an Obama supporter?
You have liberalism and Obama on the brain good sir. This idiot was going to be draining the state via welfare payments for her ill-advised litter of pups but instead she has concocted a seemingly lucrative reality TV deal that will generate her own revenue, thus lessening the unjustifiable burden she was placing on the tax payer... and yet you're still unhappy!?

Make your mind up lowing, do you want her sponging off the state or making her own money?

PS: She's not a liberal lowing, she's an idiot. The only thing liberal about this situation is the number of kids she had, and in that sense I'm not using the political definition of the word.
2009-07-31 08:17:51
Braddock
Agitator
+916|6580|Éire

lowing wrote:

How in the world could you ever assume I do not respect community? I do nt respect those that are willing to leech off of it without contributing anything. No society NEEDS leeches and tics bleeding it dry while contributing NOTHING in return.

I obey its laws I work in it, and I contribute to it. How much more respect do think I should give?
I agree. But while you see the liberal (unemployed) man in the street as being guilty of this very sin, I would also regard the bankers and cut-throat capitalists of being equally guilty. Now I'm not talking about anyone who happens to be a successful businessman, I'm talking about the ones who put profit before people. People who think it's okay to ban unions, drive down minimum wage, outsource work to countries with highly questionable labour laws, and cut corners on health and safety all in the name of making a few dollars more for themselves. The people who rake in exorbitant amounts of profit and then complain that the State is too demanding in terms of its tax laws. The same people who take bail out money and then throw a party for themselves with bonuses all-round.

I have a lot of time for people who contribute to society, I have very little for those who do nothing but take, take, take... and whether they consider themselves a liberal parasite or a conservative parasite is neither here nor there.
2009-07-31 10:44:23
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6941|USA

Braddock wrote:

lowing wrote:

http://omg.yahoo.com/news/court-docs-octomom-inks-showbiz-deal-for-tots/25663

We have sunken to an all new low, people are actually going to celebrate this piece of shit by paying her to be such.

she is the new liberal, "look what idiocy did for me, it can happen to you", poster child

How much ya wanna bet she is an Obama supporter?
You have liberalism and Obama on the brain good sir. This idiot was going to be draining the state via welfare payments for her ill-advised litter of pups but instead she has concocted a seemingly lucrative reality TV deal that will generate her own revenue, thus lessening the unjustifiable burden she was placing on the tax payer... and yet you're still unhappy!?

Make your mind up lowing, do you want her sponging off the state or making her own money?

PS: She's not a liberal lowing, she's an idiot. The only thing liberal about this situation is the number of kids she had, and in that sense I'm not using the political definition of the word.
and you failed to read my postings, the only dig on her I made was the assumption she was a liberal, and that is bad enough. The OP however, goes toward the rest of us, what we hold as valuable and wh owe choose to celebrate.

 

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