no since there have been only one terrorist attack by the people you discribe, howe many hands ya gunna need to count the Muslim terrorists?Dilbert_X wrote:
If I'd spent the last few decades punching the crap out of people of a particular race I wouldn't be too surprised if one turned around and punched me back.If you get knocked out with a body blow, will never protect your face again?
Also I wouldn't then go around punching people just because they were the same race as the person who last punched me. That would be puerile and provocative.
Alternatively if you want to follow your argument, white, republican, US military veterans who are members of the NRA should be profiled and targeted as they are apparently more dangerous than moslem terrorists.
If we are talking about moslems and arabs then thats precisely what the US has been doing.
Fuck Israel
Apologies, it's just your second part of your post made it sound like you didn't get it. Yes, that would be racial profiling if at every airport white people are being searched and questioned in the hope they find a serial killer. No one ever said it was racially biased against one race - well, I suppose it is these days as Muslims are going to be the only ones being searched on planes without good cause - we just said it wasn't effective and just means innocent people get their day ruined with a cavity search.lowing wrote:
I coulda swore I just stated, that it is ASSUMED white peolpe would be a serila killer because MOST serial killers are white.ghettoperson wrote:
You appear to not understand what racial profiling is. It isn't searching for a black man who is 6'3" with a scar on his left arm, after a liquor store gets robbed. It's examining people of a certain background (these days Muslim, 15 years ago it was Irish) and pulling them aside for extra questioning and searching because they believe that Muslims/the Irish are more likely to commit terrorist acts.lowing wrote:
News flash, it is ASSUMED a serial killer will be white, ya know why, because most of them ARE white. So what now, am I no racist against white people? nobody is stopping all black people without a crime being comitted. Just black people who fit the description.
Let me check, yup I DID justr say that. Is it racial profiling or isn't it?
Do you mean WHITE IRISH people.? Sounds like no one is exempt and there fore is a tool that is used and is NOT racially biased against any specific race.
As far as terrorist attacks on mainland america go.lowing wrote:
no since there have been only one terrorist attack by the people you discribe, howe many hands ya gunna need to count the Muslim terrorists?
Moslems - 2
Christians - 1
Fuck Israel
Really? when has the US authorities been punching Americans in the face. I say American because I do not believe in that Arab-American African-American, Hispanic-American bullshit.Dilbert_X wrote:
If we are talking about moslems and arabs then thats precisely what the US has been doing.
How so, ya mean we have the nerve to seek out and kill people that we are at war with?
How is it you can have this point of view, yet the reverse eludes you all together?
lol, I see, so you do not want to count attempts, stated objectives, events world wide?Dilbert_X wrote:
As far as terrorist attacks on mainland america go.lowing wrote:
no since there have been only one terrorist attack by the people you discribe, howe many hands ya gunna need to count the Muslim terrorists?
Moslems - 2
Christians - 1
It is occuring based on events of the day. the second old women become a problem they will be scrutenized, like I said it is a tool, and if it prevents a bomb from going off, I really don't give a shit if someone had their feelings hurt.ghettoperson wrote:
Apologies, it's just your second part of your post made it sound like you didn't get it. Yes, that would be racial profiling if at every airport white people are being searched and questioned in the hope they find a serial killer. No one ever said it was racially biased against one race - well, I suppose it is these days as Muslims are going to be the only ones being searched on planes without good cause - we just said it wasn't effective and just means innocent people get their day ruined with a cavity search.lowing wrote:
I coulda swore I just stated, that it is ASSUMED white peolpe would be a serila killer because MOST serial killers are white.ghettoperson wrote:
You appear to not understand what racial profiling is. It isn't searching for a black man who is 6'3" with a scar on his left arm, after a liquor store gets robbed. It's examining people of a certain background (these days Muslim, 15 years ago it was Irish) and pulling them aside for extra questioning and searching because they believe that Muslims/the Irish are more likely to commit terrorist acts.
Let me check, yup I DID justr say that. Is it racial profiling or isn't it?
Do you mean WHITE IRISH people.? Sounds like no one is exempt and there fore is a tool that is used and is NOT racially biased against any specific race.
'War on Terror' was a dumb idea TBH.lowing wrote:
How so, ya mean we have the nerve to seek out and kill people that we are at war with?
You narrowed it to 'attacks'.lol, I see, so you do not want to count attempts, stated objectives, events world wide?
Fuck Israel
Wake up call, white old women =/= racial profile.lowing wrote:
It is occuring based on events of the day. the second old women become a problem they will be scrutenized, like I said it is a tool, and if it prevents a bomb from going off, I really don't give a shit if someone had their feelings hurt.
White = racial profile.
Except it never has, hence its been abandoned as ineffective.lowing wrote:
if it prevents a bomb from going off, I really don't give a shit if someone had their feelings hurt.
Fuck Israel
Great, so your evidence that is does not work is nothing has happened because of it? Funny, I was kinda gunna use that as my proof. Damn!Dilbert_X wrote:
Except it never has, hence its been abandoned as ineffective.lowing wrote:
if it prevents a bomb from going off, I really don't give a shit if someone had their feelings hurt.
I'm sure you'd change your tone if it happened to you every time you flew. And it isn't an enjoyable chat either, a friend of mine got interrogated for about 1.5 hours when visiting Israel, presumably because he was travelling alone and looking vaguely Middle Eastern (he isn't, he's Dutch with a hint of Indonesian and a Dutch passport).lowing wrote:
It is occuring based on events of the day. the second old women become a problem they will be scrutenized, like I said it is a tool, and if it prevents a bomb from going off, I really don't give a shit if someone had their feelings hurt.ghettoperson wrote:
Apologies, it's just your second part of your post made it sound like you didn't get it. Yes, that would be racial profiling if at every airport white people are being searched and questioned in the hope they find a serial killer. No one ever said it was racially biased against one race - well, I suppose it is these days as Muslims are going to be the only ones being searched on planes without good cause - we just said it wasn't effective and just means innocent people get their day ruined with a cavity search.lowing wrote:
I coulda swore I just stated, that it is ASSUMED white peolpe would be a serila killer because MOST serial killers are white.
Let me check, yup I DID justr say that. Is it racial profiling or isn't it?
Do you mean WHITE IRISH people.? Sounds like no one is exempt and there fore is a tool that is used and is NOT racially biased against any specific race.
In any case, are there any documented cases of racial profiling stopping terrorism?
yup I did, does attacks world wide not count. I thought we were supposed tobe just one big happy planet in your eyes.Dilbert_X wrote:
'War on Terror' was a dumb idea TBH.lowing wrote:
How so, ya mean we have the nerve to seek out and kill people that we are at war with?You narrowed it to 'attacks'.lol, I see, so you do not want to count attempts, stated objectives, events world wide?
A middle eastern man asked me for pizza and didn't ask for me to take the bacon off.
I gave him his pizza and he came back in screaming saying; "YOU DIDN'T TAKE OFF THE PORK YOU DIDN'T TAKE OFF THE PORK!"
I replied with; "You didn't ask me to."
To which he said; "look at me! Do I look like I eat pork? Anyone could tell I'm muslim!"
And my reply was; "I can't assume something based on looks, that racial profiling. I can make you a new order but you will need to pay for it"
Was I in the wrong?
I gave him his pizza and he came back in screaming saying; "YOU DIDN'T TAKE OFF THE PORK YOU DIDN'T TAKE OFF THE PORK!"
I replied with; "You didn't ask me to."
To which he said; "look at me! Do I look like I eat pork? Anyone could tell I'm muslim!"
And my reply was; "I can't assume something based on looks, that racial profiling. I can make you a new order but you will need to pay for it"
Was I in the wrong?
yup it is, problem is, but I happen to agree with racial profiling. It is not restricted to one race. So it is not a racially biased tool, simply a toolAussieReaper wrote:
Wake up call, white old women =/= racial profile.lowing wrote:
It is occuring based on events of the day. the second old women become a problem they will be scrutenized, like I said it is a tool, and if it prevents a bomb from going off, I really don't give a shit if someone had their feelings hurt.
White = racial profile.
I don't believe a word of that. Why would a Muslim man order a ham pizza? And if he didn't order a ham pizza, but something that came with ham, why wouldn't he just ask for it without ham, as anyone else would?Adams_BJ wrote:
A middle eastern man asked me for pizza and didn't ask for me to take the bacon off.
I gave him his pizza and he came back in screaming saying; "YOU DIDN'T TAKE OFF THE PORK YOU DIDN'T TAKE OFF THE PORK!"
I replied with; "You didn't ask me to."
To which he said; "look at me! Do I look like I eat pork? Anyone could tell I'm muslim!"
And my reply was; "I can't assume something based on looks, that racial profiling. I can make you a new order but you will need to pay for it"
Was I in the wrong?
Hell no, even if he was wearing all that shit that Muslims wear and had a beard and all that, you still don't have to. It ain't your job to make sure some fool sticks to their own stupid rules.Adams_BJ wrote:
A middle eastern man asked me for pizza and didn't ask for me to take the bacon off.
I gave him his pizza and he came back in screaming saying; "YOU DIDN'T TAKE OFF THE PORK YOU DIDN'T TAKE OFF THE PORK!"
I replied with; "You didn't ask me to."
To which he said; "look at me! Do I look like I eat pork? Anyone could tell I'm muslim!"
And my reply was; "I can't assume something based on looks, that racial profiling. I can make you a new order but you will need to pay for it"
Was I in the wrong?
Ummmmmm the fact that there hasn't been any attacks in US airplanes or airports since?ghettoperson wrote:
I'm sure you'd change your tone if it happened to you every time you flew. And it isn't an enjoyable chat either, a friend of mine got interrogated for about 1.5 hours when visiting Israel, presumably because he was travelling alone and looking vaguely Middle Eastern (he isn't, he's Dutch with a hint of Indonesian and a Dutch passport).lowing wrote:
It is occuring based on events of the day. the second old women become a problem they will be scrutenized, like I said it is a tool, and if it prevents a bomb from going off, I really don't give a shit if someone had their feelings hurt.ghettoperson wrote:
Apologies, it's just your second part of your post made it sound like you didn't get it. Yes, that would be racial profiling if at every airport white people are being searched and questioned in the hope they find a serial killer. No one ever said it was racially biased against one race - well, I suppose it is these days as Muslims are going to be the only ones being searched on planes without good cause - we just said it wasn't effective and just means innocent people get their day ruined with a cavity search.
In any case, are there any documented cases of racial profiling stopping terrorism?
just a guess
I haven't eaten curry in ages, can we also attribute that to racial profiling?lowing wrote:
Ummmmmm the fact that there hasn't been any attacks in US airplanes or airports since?ghettoperson wrote:
I'm sure you'd change your tone if it happened to you every time you flew. And it isn't an enjoyable chat either, a friend of mine got interrogated for about 1.5 hours when visiting Israel, presumably because he was travelling alone and looking vaguely Middle Eastern (he isn't, he's Dutch with a hint of Indonesian and a Dutch passport).lowing wrote:
It is occuring based on events of the day. the second old women become a problem they will be scrutenized, like I said it is a tool, and if it prevents a bomb from going off, I really don't give a shit if someone had their feelings hurt.
In any case, are there any documented cases of racial profiling stopping terrorism?
just a guess
He ordered a pizza with it on ther,e not a ham pizza. He just didn't take it off and I didn't take it off in an assumption.ghettoperson wrote:
I don't believe a word of that. Why would a Muslim man order a ham pizza? And if he didn't order a ham pizza, but something that came with ham, why wouldn't he just ask for it without ham, as anyone else would?Adams_BJ wrote:
A middle eastern man asked me for pizza and didn't ask for me to take the bacon off.
I gave him his pizza and he came back in screaming saying; "YOU DIDN'T TAKE OFF THE PORK YOU DIDN'T TAKE OFF THE PORK!"
I replied with; "You didn't ask me to."
To which he said; "look at me! Do I look like I eat pork? Anyone could tell I'm muslim!"
And my reply was; "I can't assume something based on looks, that racial profiling. I can make you a new order but you will need to pay for it"
Was I in the wrong?
ya can if you wish, I suppose, I however, do not see the connection.ghettoperson wrote:
I haven't eaten curry in ages, can we also attribute that to racial profiling?lowing wrote:
Ummmmmm the fact that there hasn't been any attacks in US airplanes or airports since?ghettoperson wrote:
I'm sure you'd change your tone if it happened to you every time you flew. And it isn't an enjoyable chat either, a friend of mine got interrogated for about 1.5 hours when visiting Israel, presumably because he was travelling alone and looking vaguely Middle Eastern (he isn't, he's Dutch with a hint of Indonesian and a Dutch passport).
In any case, are there any documented cases of racial profiling stopping terrorism?
just a guess
lets see, if there were more attacks you would then claim it does not work, and now that there isn't anymore attacks you are claiming it does not work..
So what argument are you leaving me with?
Last edited by lowing (2009-07-28 07:08:02)
It's not racial profiling, you can't racially profile Islamic terrorists. The article usmarine or someone posted, they were Albanians and they barely had even your typical Muslim names, yet they still got nabbed. They probably looked like you or something. Racial profiling doesn't really work, not in the case of Islamic terrorism, even Name profiling won't be successful, although Name profiling breaks down the racial barriers as Muslims, black or white, tend to have similar names.lowing wrote:
Ummmmmm the fact that there hasn't been any attacks in US airplanes or airports since?ghettoperson wrote:
I'm sure you'd change your tone if it happened to you every time you flew. And it isn't an enjoyable chat either, a friend of mine got interrogated for about 1.5 hours when visiting Israel, presumably because he was travelling alone and looking vaguely Middle Eastern (he isn't, he's Dutch with a hint of Indonesian and a Dutch passport).lowing wrote:
It is occuring based on events of the day. the second old women become a problem they will be scrutenized, like I said it is a tool, and if it prevents a bomb from going off, I really don't give a shit if someone had their feelings hurt.
In any case, are there any documented cases of racial profiling stopping terrorism?
just a guess
But again, like that article someone posted (think it was usmarine) - they didn't even have typical muslim names
"All Indians eat curry", is a racial profile statement.
My point is that the fact that they've arrested no one because of it, suggests that it's completely irrelevant to thwarting global terrorism and only pisses off passengers.lowing wrote:
lets see, if there were more attacks you would then claim it does not work, and now that there isn't anymore attacks you are claiming it does not work..
So what argument are you leaving me with?
yup, and the tool comes into play when you have a white guy a black guy and an Indian guy, and you are told to pick the guy that probably eats curry, I am sure you will pick the Indian guy, worst of all, oddsare you would probably be right.. I am still waiting to hear what the problem with that logic is.AussieReaper wrote:
"All Indians eat curry", is a racial profile statement.