BF2S Forums "racist" arrest

http://www.thebostonchannel.com/downloa … 120754.pdf

I have no reason to doubt that this is how it played out. Especially since we live in a society where eveeeryyybody just loves to scream racism. this forum is a perfect example.

Macbeth wrote:

Ugh lowing are you calling me a race baiter?

nope not at all, I was talking TO you not about you.

Macbeth wrote:

Maybe the Harvard professor should be angry at his own people for putting him in the position of being stereotyped as a criminal and for breaking into his house.

No kidding...  or at his neighbor for clearly not even knowing who he was.

lowing wrote:

I was kinda wondering how a black man attaining the position of professor at Harvard could possibly maintain an attitude that black people are being kept down by anything more than their own attitudes and lack of ambition.

Thats a sterotypical assumption you've made based solely on a one line comment recorded by a Police Officer trying to justify an unnecessary arrest.

Dilbert_X wrote:

lowing wrote:

I was kinda wondering how a black man attaining the position of professor at Harvard could possibly maintain an attitude that black people are being kept down by anything more than their own attitudes and lack of ambition.

Thats a sterotypical assumption you've made based solely on a one line comment recorded by a Police Officer trying to justify an unnecessary arrest.

No it is an assumption based on the fact that he made it INSTANTLY a race issue rather than what it really was, a cop investigating a break in
It is not in dispute this mans over reaction, assumptions and confrontational demeanor. The arrest was justified, it was dismissed for PC reasons and because of this guys position.

S3v3N wrote:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32085686/?GT1=43001

A good opinion, I thought on this whole subject, worth the read.

Good article. I agree with many of the points.

I'm certainly not condoning Gates' (alleged) actions, but he certainly shouldn't have been arrested over this. I think the fact that he was shows the officers involved didn't do their job very well. Despite him being a pain the arse to deal with, he had proven his identity as the homeowner and wasn't commiting any crimes (arresting someone for making a bit of a scene in their own home seems very callous), so he shouldn't have been arrested.

I expect he overreacted when the officers initially approached him, which led them to get pissed of at him and look for excuses to arrest him and cause him grief.

Overall it seems like very petty behaviour from all involved. But the police are the ones doing a job here and should be expected to behave better. I take exception to the police arresting people just because they piss them off, which seems to be what has happened in this case and is certainly something I've seen happen 1st hand on a number of occasions.

Gates' may have acted like a prick, but the police acted unprofessionally and abused their power - which is far worse.

Bertster7 wrote:

S3v3N wrote:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32085686/?GT1=43001

A good opinion, I thought on this whole subject, worth the read.

Good article. I agree with many of the points.

I'm certainly not condoning Gates' (alleged) actions, but he certainly shouldn't have been arrested over this. I think the fact that he was shows the officers involved didn't do their job very well. Despite him being a pain the arse to deal with, he had proven his identity as the homeowner and wasn't commiting any crimes (arresting someone for making a bit of a scene in their own home seems very callous), so he shouldn't have been arrested.

I expect he overreacted when the officers initially approached him, which led them to get pissed of at him and look for excuses to arrest him and cause him grief.

Overall it seems like very petty behaviour from all involved. But the police are the ones doing a job here and should be expected to behave better. I take exception to the police arresting people just because they piss them off, which seems to be what has happened in this case and is certainly something I've seen happen 1st hand on a number of occasions.

Gates' may have acted like a prick, but the police acted unprofessionally and abused their power - which is far worse.

Show me ONE shred of testimony that shows this cop acting unprofessionally and abused his power.

Yes the charges were dropped, for obvious PC reasons, but also no charges or punishment was levied on the cop either.

Zombie_Affair wrote:

Gates said Crowley walked into his home without his permission and only arrested him as the professor followed him to the porch, repeatedly demanding the sergeant's name and badge number because he was unhappy over his treatment.

I would have had a field day in court with this.

really? amd who exactly, are you?

lowing wrote:

AussieReaper wrote:

Charges dropped = well it's just PC.

The way your mind works lowing is amazing.

Oh please, don't tell me for a second if you or me treated a cop like this that the city would drop the charges.

If I were arrested, on my porch, because an officer was investigating a break and enter, where I was the accused "breaking into" my own house, the officer doesn't give badge ID or name but arrests me for disorderly conduct, of course the charge would be dropped.

Unless you actually believe that Gates should spend some time in jail or face a fine, why must this be some pc?

lowing wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

S3v3N wrote:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32085686/?GT1=43001

A good opinion, I thought on this whole subject, worth the read.

Good article. I agree with many of the points.

I'm certainly not condoning Gates' (alleged) actions, but he certainly shouldn't have been arrested over this. I think the fact that he was shows the officers involved didn't do their job very well. Despite him being a pain the arse to deal with, he had proven his identity as the homeowner and wasn't commiting any crimes (arresting someone for making a bit of a scene in their own home seems very callous), so he shouldn't have been arrested.

I expect he overreacted when the officers initially approached him, which led them to get pissed of at him and look for excuses to arrest him and cause him grief.

Overall it seems like very petty behaviour from all involved. But the police are the ones doing a job here and should be expected to behave better. I take exception to the police arresting people just because they piss them off, which seems to be what has happened in this case and is certainly something I've seen happen 1st hand on a number of occasions.

Gates' may have acted like a prick, but the police acted unprofessionally and abused their power - which is far worse.

Show me ONE shred of testimony that shows this cop acting unprofessionally and abused his power.

Yes the charges were dropped, for obvious PC reasons, but also no charges or punishment was levied on the cop either.

The cop arrested him when he shouldn't have. That's abusing his power and acting unprofessionally.

lowing wrote:

AussieReaper wrote:

lowing wrote:

Oh please, don't tell me for a second if you or me treated a cop like this that the city would drop the charges.

If I were arrested, on my porch, because an officer was investigating a break and enter, where I was the accused "breaking into" my own house, the officer doesn't give badge ID or name but arrests me for disorderly conduct, of course the charge would be dropped.

Unless you actually believe that Gates should spend some time in jail or face a fine, why must this be some pc?

Gee no surprise how you failed to mention the fact that the guy refused to initially produce ID, and only after being threatened with arrest did he do so.

That's inconclusive. There are contradictory versions of events, believing either of them outright is unwise.

lowing wrote:

You are also failing to mention the verbal abuse this guy gave the police, while contrary to popular liberal belief, does not have to take it.
And still you fail to mention that this guy INSTANTLY went for the race card.

and yes to knock that egotistical asshole down a notch and remind him he is not above the law regardless as to his position, he should have spent the night in jail, if not outright charged.

Disrespecting a police officer is not a crime. If it were, then there would be a case against him. As is, there is not. Which is why the case was dropped. He was arrested without commiting a crime or being a suspect in a crime, which is a violation of his rights and is unprofessional behaviour by the officer involved.

He may be an asshole (it certainly sounds that way). But you can't arrest someone for that.

Why would you AUTOMATICALLY believe the guy over this cop?

Because he didn't do anything wrong, while the cop carried out an unlawful arrest.

Why do you automatically believe the cop?
Having had extensive dealings with numerous Police officers I assume they are lying until proven otherwise.
The Police have to prove a case, their word isn't the law or gospel truth.