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What are your thoughts on the Cannibis Debate? [NON-SMOKERS ONLY]

Cannabis should NOT be legalized34%34% - 34
Cannabis should be legalized61%61% - 60
In my country it's legal - LOL @ AMERICA!4%4% - 4
Total: 98
2009-07-23 02:29:07
oug
Calmer than you are.
+380|6809|Πάϊ
I've never smoked so far and I have no urge to try any time soon... Got nothing against it, it's just I prefer to drink because it's more energetic - before you fall on your face that is

Anyway I think one of the primary reasons for - and at the same time the worst effect of - pot smoking is that anti-establishment feeling you get from doing something illegal. Well newsflash: sitting at home admiring the back of your hand isn't exactly getting anyone off their seat.

Fuck, I know I sound like a grumpy old man about this, but damn it annoys me! Bloody potheads have made it a goddamn lifestyle. (Not talking about the occasional smoker - more like the ones who do nothing else in life.)
They talk about it in secrecy all whispering and shit among their circle of trust and then they gather up at one place and sit around all day doing fuck all and somehow that's the "cool" thing to do and it's all important and shit because they might get caught!
Let's see how you like it when you don't have to hide any more! Making it no different than regular smoking will kill the hype once and for all. So if you're gonna smoke, just do it and stfu about it.
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2009-07-23 03:12:51
Hakei
Banned
+295|6285

Macbeth wrote:

Hakei wrote:

Macbeth wrote:


Silly our lives are all connected. Everything you do affects me and likewise.

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Yeah, good call. Let's make doing anything illegal because eventually - down the road - it may lead to someone being hurt.

How far should we go with this? You know exactly what my point is.
As far as you want to go. I am just saying that all of our lives are connected in some way and everything you do affects me somehow later on. You'd be naive if you didn't think so.
So then you also believe that any action what so ever that relates to another person should be banned? That's a great idea - what a world we'd live in if everything was punishable even if you didn't have a direct influence on the situation. People who crafted a knife would be in prison, those that sold the knife would also be punished. The parents and the doctor who failed the vasectomy and the coffee maker who made a bad coffee and agitated the doctor, the list goes on.
2009-07-23 04:01:27
ghettoperson
Member
+1,943|6939

I think my opinion on this is fairly well known by now. And I very rarely smoke.
2009-07-23 04:29:31
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6700|'Murka

I have no problems with legalizing, regulating, and taxing the ever-loving shit out of pot. That's just the libertarian in me, I guess.

However, I have problems today with people smoking pot. It IS illegal. Until it isn't, people shouldn't be doing it. It's selfish and irresponsible IMO.
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2009-07-23 04:34:16
Macbeth
Banned
+2,444|5875

Nevermind hakei you don't get it. Back to EE please.
2009-07-23 04:38:08
ghettoperson
Member
+1,943|6939

FEOS wrote:

I have no problems with legalizing, regulating, and taxing the ever-loving shit out of pot. That's just the libertarian in me, I guess.

However, I have problems today with people smoking pot. It IS illegal. Until it isn't, people shouldn't be doing it. It's selfish and irresponsible IMO.
I don't understand this attitude of 'if the law says so, it's a terrible thing'. Come on, I'm sure you've broken the law loads of times in your life. You're telling me you have a problem with people smoking weed, but not doing an extra 5MPH over the speed limit?
2009-07-23 06:14:36
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,817|6395|eXtreme to the maX

Turquoise wrote:

If people want to use a substance that they enjoy but it harms them in the process, that's ok.  That's their business.
Its societies business, since society pays some of the cost.
Pot is less harmful to society than alcohol and tobacco, no matter what Dilbert says.
According to you, not as I see it.
And as the above post shows, he's even pre-empted the alcohol argument because he knows it invalidates his stance.
Wrong, I've been clear on this. Its a historical quirk that alcohol is legal and cannabis isn't.
How you use them is what's important.
Depends as much on the drug as how you use it.
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2009-07-23 06:21:48
Swan
The town bike
+54|5737
I agree with gilbert
2009-07-23 06:29:24
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,817|6395|eXtreme to the maX
Well thats spooky.
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2009-07-23 06:35:36
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,817|6395|eXtreme to the maX

ghettoperson wrote:

I don't understand this attitude of 'if the law says so, it's a terrible thing'.
Thats not what he said, committing a crime is.

If you don't like the law either campaign against it or find another country where you like the laws better.
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2009-07-23 06:53:12
ghettoperson
Member
+1,943|6939

Dilbert_X wrote:

ghettoperson wrote:

I don't understand this attitude of 'if the law says so, it's a terrible thing'.
Thats not what he said, committing a crime is.

If you don't like the law either campaign against it or find another country where you like the laws better.
That means exactly the same as what you said, just phrased differently.
2009-07-23 06:55:06
Zombie_Affair
Amputee's...BOOP
+78|6105|Fattest Country in the world.

Turquoise wrote:

I don't smoke pot because I have to worry about drug tests from my employer.

And yes, it should be legalized and regulated.
2009-07-23 07:14:48
Cybargs
Moderated
+2,285|7006
Reason why it is not legal is because it is hard as shit to tax. Weed grows way too easily.
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2009-07-23 07:28:29
Ei Em
Member
+7|5779

Turquoise wrote:

Uh... what?

If people want to use a substance that they enjoy but it harms them in the process, that's ok.  That's their business.
If it was only their business, but it isn't. I don't want to eat shit, drink piss or even breath poison because someone else is doing it for his/her own pleasure.

Legalizing pot would make easier profit for organized crime.
2009-07-23 07:37:27
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|6871|SE London

Ei Em wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Uh... what?

If people want to use a substance that they enjoy but it harms them in the process, that's ok.  That's their business.
If it was only their business, but it isn't. I don't want to eat shit, drink piss or even breath poison because someone else is doing it for his/her own pleasure.

Legalizing pot would make easier profit for organized crime.


Easier profit for organised crime? Traditionally prohibition maximises profits for organised crime. Why would the opposite be the case in this instance?

As for the first point, just because something is legal doesn't mean it is forced upon you. You don't usually get people holding you down and forcing you to drink alcohol - unless of course you're a member of a rugby team or something like that....
2009-07-23 08:48:22
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,817|6395|eXtreme to the maX
That means exactly the same as what you said, just phrased differently.
No it doesn't. You can disagree with a law but still abide by it because breaking the law is more serious than what action you're taking.

Under-age drinking is illegal. Is it a terrible thing if you buy a drink when you're 17 and 364 days? Not really, and most people would agree it isn't but its still illegal and therefore shouldn't be done.
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2009-07-23 10:21:42
imortal
Member
+240|6954|Austin, TX

Dilbert_X wrote:

That means exactly the same as what you said, just phrased differently.
No it doesn't. You can disagree with a law but still abide by it because breaking the law is more serious than what action you're taking.

Under-age drinking is illegal. Is it a terrible thing if you buy a drink when you're 17 and 364 days? Not really, and most people would agree it isn't but its still illegal and therefore shouldn't be done.
..unless you are in the US, and the legal drinking age is 21.
2009-07-23 10:45:17
ghettoperson
Member
+1,943|6939

Dilbert_X wrote:

That means exactly the same as what you said, just phrased differently.
No it doesn't. You can disagree with a law but still abide by it because breaking the law is more serious than what action you're taking.

Under-age drinking is illegal. Is it a terrible thing if you buy a drink when you're 17 and 364 days? Not really, and most people would agree it isn't but its still illegal and therefore shouldn't be done.
So you've never sped, drunk underage, jaywalked etc? I'm not really understanding this shouldn't be done thing. By that you mean technically speaking, or you mean you wouldn't partake in such activities because the government will get mad?
2009-07-23 13:13:36
Lotta_Drool
Spit
+350|6473|Ireland
i think all pot smokers should die.  Except Yerded because he is a mod.
2009-07-23 16:00:31
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6695|North Carolina

DesertFox- wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

DesertFox- wrote:

I voted not legalized, but probably shouldn't have. It's more a cynical attitude towards "go ahead and try to legalize/tax it"

There are inherent issues with making it legal and taxing it that I have qualms with and have never heard an answer about it from proponents.
Try me.  You usually bring up good food for thought.
Well, we're all aware that at this point in time there are already groups that distribute the drug and make a killing in profit, correct? It stands to reason that if legalized, they would still have access to this distribution ring. In order to turn a profit from taxation as well, the government would need taxable sources selling it like shops, etc. Those who have been selling it illegally in the past have little incentive to pay taxes when they can still make income by selling drugs to people without the sales tax as in the past. Meanwhile, I would imagine people would still be growing plants in their basement and hydroponic shit for personal use or distribution.
Long story short, those selling pot illegally are still able to make money and skirt the government, which would either have to undersell the dealers or control the means of production (which would be nigh impossible as it is practically what agencies are trying to now). That's one reason I don't buy into the "the government is missing out on a buttload of money from legalization/taxation" theory.
You're neglecting the plummet in value that things like pot would experience from legalization.  It would get to the point that the profit margin would be too small for criminal syndicates to remain interested.
2009-07-23 16:04:53
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6695|North Carolina

Dilbert_X wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

If people want to use a substance that they enjoy but it harms them in the process, that's ok.  That's their business.
Its societies business, since society pays some of the cost.
Which taxes cover.

Dilbert_X wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Pot is less harmful to society than alcohol and tobacco, no matter what Dilbert says.
According to you, not as I see it.
Then back it up for once.

Dilbert_X wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

And as the above post shows, he's even pre-empted the alcohol argument because he knows it invalidates his stance.
Wrong, I've been clear on this. Its a historical quirk that alcohol is legal and cannabis isn't.
It's more than that.  Racism was a large part of why pot was made illegal.

http://www.alternet.org/drugreporter/77339/?page=entire
2009-07-24 07:08:20
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,817|6395|eXtreme to the maX

Turquoise wrote:

Which taxes cover.
There are costs besides money.
Then back it up for once.
I don't need to, you're arguing something should be legalised, you need to make the case that its harmless.
Even if its less harmful than presently legal drugs there is still no case for legalising it. Governments take the view if its harmful it should be restricted.

Cannabis is clearly implicated in schizophrenia, from anecdotal evidence I have first hand its not something I would want to see widespread. It causes personality changes for the worse.

Looking at the stats ecstacy is the least harmful drug there is, I don't see that being legalised any time soon.
It's more than that.  Racism was a large part of why pot was made illegal.
Who cares, as I said its a historical quirk. If blacks had used alcohol and whites cannabis we would be having the reverse argument - and I would be arguing the same, there is no justification in legalising something just because something else which is about as harmful is legal.
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2009-07-25 01:11:40
RAIMIUS
You with the face!
+244|7004|US
I support legalization to undercut gang/cartel funding.

Stoners screw themselves, in the end.  That is stupid on their part, but it's their choice.  Gangs, IMO, are a larger problem.  I detest them, and want them to lose power.  Cutting an easy source of funds and recruitment would be an easy way to undercut them.
2009-07-25 01:14:19
RAIMIUS
You with the face!
+244|7004|US

Dilbert_X wrote:

I don't need to, you're arguing something should be legalised, you need to make the case that its harmless.
Even if its less harmful than presently legal drugs there is still no case for legalising it. Governments take the view if its harmful it should be restricted.
That depends...
Are you a statist or libertarian?  Libertarians would argue that the government has no business restricting the public for actions which only directly harm the user.

Last edited by RAIMIUS (2009-07-25 01:14:49)

2009-07-25 02:16:17
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,817|6395|eXtreme to the maX
But then there is no real libertarian country on earth, so the point is pretty much moot.
Also, there are invariably direct or indirect effects on society.

I support whatever action will reduce the current cost to society, of which crime and gangsterism is a part.
Decriminalisation may be the answer, but I don't like what I expect would be the consequences.
Much more vigorous law enforcement would be OK with me, works fine in Singapore.

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2009-07-25 02:18:28)

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