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2009-07-10 07:38:16
DonFck
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+3,227|6632|Finland

Dilbert_X wrote:

Well now this is getting silly.
'The smokers went' They might have said something, they didn't go anywhere.
'Screw this, I'll rather smoke a bowl' Possibly 'I'd rather smoke a bowl'.

'Fuck you can tell who smokes and who don't.' Doesn't? Fuck doesn't really fit either.
'and are like 'wtf maaaaaaan'.'

Derailed by a mod - like awesome man.
Rerailed by a mod ->

Everything is harmful from heroin to crossing the street or eating your grandmothers one month old cupcakes. Marijuana is however less harmful than E.g. alcohol or tobacco. The reasons behind marijuana being illegal in most countries lie behind not only it being harmful to a degree but also due to various degrees of lobbying and misinformation. For instance, the criminalisation of marijuana in Finland back in 1966 was voted 92-80, so it could've just as well be legal now had the vote been on a different day.

The fact that it's illegal doesn't necessarily make it less harmful than legal substances. This is what I see your main argument to be: If it's illegal, it's wrong. Communism has been illegal, alcohol has been illegal. Fuck, even rock music has been illegal at some point. Not to speak of black people riding in front of the bus.

And "I'll rather smoke a bowl" refers to the subject actually going to perform said task instead of arguing on the internets when "I'd rather smoke a bowl" refers to the subject wanting to do so, but that he/she will not due to some circumstance, E.g. not having any weed.
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2009-07-10 07:40:27
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|6582|SE London

Dilbert_X wrote:

swan wrote:

it seems Dilbert_X speaks from opinion
I speak from the experiences of seeing multiple people destroy their lives through pot, and having a drug dealer shot dead in my street (good work).

PS Spelling and grammar are two different subjects.
But it was spelt correctly, as a verb. Spelling is also a crucial part of constructing sentences.

If you're going to start making wild accusations about who can and can't construct sentences, expect your own mistakes to be highlighted.
2009-07-10 07:47:24
1927
The oldest chav in the world
+2,423|6674|Cardiff, Capital of Wales
I wouldnt try and pick 'wholes' in how I type, this is a forum, its the fucking internet and I see it as a way of expressing myself innit?  In the same way I would talk to you face to face but if you were a customer, fear not, I would type correctly and always read before I click 'send' on that quote.

Fuck.

You'll never change me sorry, it's been brought up before.  I'm 33 now.  Im one of the oldest rebels you have here.
2009-07-10 08:08:21
Swan
The town bike
+54|5447
Despite the fizzle over grammar and spelling this was a good debate.
2009-07-10 08:41:23
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,810|6106|eXtreme to the maX

DonFck wrote:

The fact that it's illegal doesn't necessarily make it less harmful than legal substances. This is what I see your main argument to be: If it's illegal, it's wrong.
Perhaps you should actually read the thread, thats not what I've said at all.

However, based on personal experience I do believe pot is much more harmful than most people here seem to think.

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2009-07-10 08:45:00)

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2009-07-10 08:43:40
1927
The oldest chav in the world
+2,423|6674|Cardiff, Capital of Wales

Dilbert_X wrote:

DonFck wrote:

The fact that it's illegal doesn't necessarily make it less harmful than legal substances. This is what I see your main argument to be: If it's illegal, it's wrong.
Perhaps you should actually read the thread.
8 fucking pages.  Who the fuck would want to read 8 pages of this shit?  Be fair eh.
2009-07-10 08:44:56
DonFck
Hibernator
+3,227|6632|Finland

Dilbert_X wrote:

DonFck wrote:

The fact that it's illegal doesn't necessarily make it less harmful than legal substances. This is what I see your main argument to be: If it's illegal, it's wrong.
Perhaps you should actually read the thread.
I limited myself to reading the OP, which lokked like a copy/paste from a biased bible-belt website. You accused me of derailing the thread, after which I posted what I think and know about the subject.

Maybe you should read up on other sources before blindly condemning the drug.

@ 1927: Yeah, exactly! Lame comeback from him tbh.
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2009-07-10 08:48:54
Dilbert_X
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I did not write the OP, if you make accusations against me based on a text I did not write then good luck.
I haven't said if its illegal its wrong, if its illegal its illegal.

My direct experience of pot is that it is very harmful, I don't need to read any 'but its, like, a plant dude' websites.

The fact is its illegal or heavily restricted in most developed countries, and likely to remain so, for good reasons.

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2009-07-10 08:53:01)

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2009-07-10 08:54:21
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|6582|SE London

Dilbert_X wrote:

DonFck wrote:

The fact that it's illegal doesn't necessarily make it less harmful than legal substances. This is what I see your main argument to be: If it's illegal, it's wrong.
Perhaps you should actually read the thread, thats not what I've said at all.

However, based on personal experience I do believe pot is much more harmful than most people here seem to think.
How harmful?

Quantify it. The general concensus here seems to be that it fucks up your lungs badly (whilst not causing lung cancer) and increases the risk of mental health issues (by around a third - or if used by teens it can almost triple the risk) - as well as the obvious anti-motivational effects.

I should note that it has been found, consistently, that the effects on mental health are indirect. If you are not prone to mental illness then it will not be an issue (but then how do you know, without smoking for years). NO ONE WITH A MAJOR HISTORY OF MENTAL ILLNESS IN THEIR FAMILY SHOULD SMOKE WEED.

Do you dispute any of that? How is it more harmful than that?

Last edited by Bertster7 (2009-07-10 08:59:02)

2009-07-10 08:55:29
DonFck
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I was talking about wikipedia, The EU:s investigations and that little report the WHO did (which has mysteriously disappeared). No "it's just a plant"-websites. Again with the prejudice. Jesus.

Your direct experience seems quite limited from what I've read. And that drug dealer who got himself killed on your street probably didn't sell pot as his primary source of income btw. And even if he did, it's the biproduct of the illegal status of cannabis and not cannabis itself.

You asked me to read the thread, I gave you a reply. What the fuck is your problem with me? Other than me smoking weed occasionally and manage to be a productive part of society in a mid-level managerial position who owns his apartment and does no harm to anyone?
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2009-07-10 08:55:48
usmarine
Banned
+2,785|6762

Dilbert_X wrote:

I don't need to read any 'but its, like, a plant dude' websites.
that is A+
2009-07-10 08:56:06
1927
The oldest chav in the world
+2,423|6674|Cardiff, Capital of Wales
I tell you one thing now.  if we all smoked it we wouldnt be fucking arguing with each other over it.  If they want to empty A+E units in hospitals on Friday and Saturday nights then allow weed smoking when people are out getting pissed.  They would stop getting pissed and stop fighting each other and chucking glasses at each other.

Who goes out gets stoned and starts fighting?  No one.
2009-07-10 08:57:42
DonFck
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1927 wrote:

Who goes out gets stoned and starts fighting?  No one.
They go looking for Taco Bell instead.
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2009-07-10 08:59:00
usmarine
Banned
+2,785|6762

1927 wrote:

Who goes out gets stoned and starts fighting?  No one.
erm...my one buddy got really angry when he smoked that crap.
2009-07-10 08:59:51
DonFck
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+3,227|6632|Finland

usmarine wrote:

1927 wrote:

Who goes out gets stoned and starts fighting?  No one.
erm...my one buddy got really angry when he smoked that crap.
A few of my buddies get really angry when they drink. It sucks ass. I wish they'd stop drinking and started smoking.
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2009-07-10 09:00:37
usmarine
Banned
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but you know, its not the booze.  i never bought that excuse...ever.  they are fucked up people.  period.
2009-07-10 09:01:51
1927
The oldest chav in the world
+2,423|6674|Cardiff, Capital of Wales

usmarine wrote:

1927 wrote:

Who goes out gets stoned and starts fighting?  No one.
erm...my one buddy got really angry when he smoked that crap.
I'll double that list of yours.

Can we be friends too?

Joking aside, thats one out of loads (I pressume)?
2009-07-10 09:03:14
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|6582|SE London

usmarine wrote:

1927 wrote:

Who goes out gets stoned and starts fighting?  No one.
erm...my one buddy got really angry when he smoked that crap.
Your one buddy?
2009-07-10 09:04:30
usmarine
Banned
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douche wagons
2009-07-10 09:14:21
SysTray
"Generous mods" < Thats right Systray !
+180|6821|Delaware
I didn't read any post but the OP due to the fact that I have weed to smoke, but here's my 2 cents:

Regardless of the so-called "facts" that anyone brings up, they are most likely from a biased source and are skewed to reflect the creators opinions. That's just how life is so get used to it. You see it everywhere, especially on the news. People just want to be right. The only real way to know whether marijuana is harmful is to try it for yourself and see if it fits into your lifestyle.

And of course what is "harmful"? You could try and define it for years and years and years but anything and everything could be "harmful", as I'm sure someone else has said already...again I didn't read anything lol.
2009-07-10 09:20:09
Dilbert_X
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Tripling the risk of mental health issues - thats enough by itself.
Lung damage - does not sound too good
Demotivational effects - and then some

I would also add

Paranoia - My crap life is someone elses fault man, I'll just sit around whingeing and hope it gets better.

From my entirely biased sample of people I knew who smoked dope on a regular basis - and used other drugs to be fair.

Two classmates from school:
The first slightly smarter than me, a talented musician, original thinker, motivated to get a marine biology degree and travel the world.
One year later is smoking dope regularly, failing his courses, bumming around and juggling on the street to make money (in the days of 100% student grants and all fees paid, plus wealthy parents who bought him a flat). Ten years on he just managed to scrape a pass, without honours, and is now managing an aged care home. A public school education, free university and he's organising bed pan rotas and playing in a crap tribute band at the age of 40, but he is fine with it.

The second incredibly smart, acheived four 'A's at A level, without doing any work to speak of - apart from building electric guitars - and walked into a Maths degree at Cambridge.
One term later bombed out, was allowed to try again the following year and bombed out again.
Now the limit of his ambition is to sit on the sofa smoking, although I don't think his mum lets him use pot these days.
He did bring back some awesome porn from Amsterdam, although I'm pretty sure the un-marked, TDK tapes he paid GBP50 each for weren't really factory masters.

What I have noticed with pot users is they often cease to progress once they start using. Once they find pot life is good enough, everything else suddenly becomes secondary.
I've discussed this with enough people in medical and educational fields who concur to be confident its not my imagination.
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2009-07-10 09:24:31
13rin
Member
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Dilbert_X wrote:

Tripling the risk of mental health issues - thats enough by itself.
Lung damage - does not sound too good
Demotivational effects - and then some

I would also add

Paranoia - My crap life is someone elses fault man, I'll just sit around whingeing and hope it gets better.

From my entirely biased sample of people I knew who smoked dope on a regular basis - and used other drugs to be fair.

Two classmates from school:
The first slightly smarter than me, a talented musician, original thinker, motivated to get a marine biology degree and travel the world.
One year later is smoking dope regularly, failing his courses, bumming around and juggling on the street to make money (in the days of 100% student grants and all fees paid, plus wealthy parents who bought him a flat). Ten years on he just managed to scrape a pass, without honours, and is now managing an aged care home. A public school education, free university and he's organising bed pan rotas and playing in a crap tribute band at the age of 40, but he is fine with it.

The second incredibly smart, acheived four 'A's at A level, without doing any work to speak of - apart from building electric guitars - and walked into a Maths degree at Cambridge.
One term later bombed out, was allowed to try again the following year and bombed out again.
Now the limit of his ambition is to sit on the sofa smoking, although I don't think his mum lets him use pot these days.
He did bring back some awesome porn from Amsterdam, although I'm pretty sure the un-marked, TDK tapes he paid GBP50 each for weren't really factory masters.

What I have noticed with pot users is they often cease to progress once they start using. Once they find pot life is good enough, everything else suddenly becomes secondary.
I've discussed this with enough people in medical and educational fields who concur to be confident its not my imagination.
I've got a buddy who graduated from University of Michigan, went onto Harvard to get his Masters & PHd and is traveling the world and teaching.  I'd wager he still smokes out.  It is all up to the individual.
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2009-07-10 09:25:36
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
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Donfck wrote:

What the fuck is your problem with me? Other than me smoking weed occasionally and manage to be a productive part of society in a mid-level managerial position who owns his apartment and does no harm to anyone?
I don't have a problem with you, you dived in without reading anything I said and started throwing accusations around.
I couldn't care less what you do personally.
And even if he did, it's the biproduct of the illegal status of cannabis and not cannabis itself.
You really should read the thread, its not about that.
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2009-07-10 09:28:47
DonFck
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DBBrinson1 wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

Tripling the risk of mental health issues - thats enough by itself.
Lung damage - does not sound too good
Demotivational effects - and then some

I would also add

Paranoia - My crap life is someone elses fault man, I'll just sit around whingeing and hope it gets better.

From my entirely biased sample of people I knew who smoked dope on a regular basis - and used other drugs to be fair.

Two classmates from school:
The first slightly smarter than me, a talented musician, original thinker, motivated to get a marine biology degree and travel the world.
One year later is smoking dope regularly, failing his courses, bumming around and juggling on the street to make money (in the days of 100% student grants and all fees paid, plus wealthy parents who bought him a flat). Ten years on he just managed to scrape a pass, without honours, and is now managing an aged care home. A public school education, free university and he's organising bed pan rotas and playing in a crap tribute band at the age of 40, but he is fine with it.

The second incredibly smart, acheived four 'A's at A level, without doing any work to speak of - apart from building electric guitars - and walked into a Maths degree at Cambridge.
One term later bombed out, was allowed to try again the following year and bombed out again.
Now the limit of his ambition is to sit on the sofa smoking, although I don't think his mum lets him use pot these days.
He did bring back some awesome porn from Amsterdam, although I'm pretty sure the un-marked, TDK tapes he paid GBP50 each for weren't really factory masters.

What I have noticed with pot users is they often cease to progress once they start using. Once they find pot life is good enough, everything else suddenly becomes secondary.
I've discussed this with enough people in medical and educational fields who concur to be confident its not my imagination.
I've got a buddy who graduated from University of Michigan, went onto Harvard to get his Masters & PHd and is traveling the world and teaching.  I'd wager he still smokes out.  It is all up to the individual.
I've got a friend who just came back from the US after lecturing psychology in various Universities in Boston. At his return, the first thing he did was lighting up his bong.

It IS all up to the individual.
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2009-07-10 09:30:42
SysTray
"Generous mods" < Thats right Systray !
+180|6821|Delaware
Your examples are still just isolated cases. As I myself smoke weed it's going to be hard to convince me that you can't succeed while using it. I work full-time at a restaurant to pay my rent, bills, insurance, etc. and still go to school. Granted I'm only taking two classes at the moment but it's summertime go fuck yourself.

Not to mention the fact that your idea of success seems to be close minded. Why do you have to go to school and get a degree when you can be just as happy doing whatever it was they were doing (I forgot cuz Im smoking weed - lulz). Furthermore who made you the ultimate judge of success in life? Are you the master of all disciplines, so therefore you can't learn anything else?

As for your side effects up at the top, everything we breathe in, aside from air, causes lung damage to some degree. Do you know how many pollutants and carcinogens are in the air simply because of factories and plants producing shit miles and miles and miles away. No one says anything about them though, just the weed you need to stop smoking...

 

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