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2006-04-03 12:05:35
<[onex]>Headstone
Member
+102|6918|New York
Problem i have with the ranking system is, Our Alliance has a server box that will run 8 servers at a time, BUT we have to PAY the extra money to have a RANKED BF2 server running. Thats Money on top of what we pay for our dedicated server box per month. Its Bullshit. Trusted EA partners my behind. Its nothing but a Money making scam.

Yah the ranks are nice, But to make a person have to earn the weapons that they paid for already by buying the game, by playing on EA Trusted ranked servers is Crap.
2006-04-03 12:22:43
.:ronin:.|Patton
Respekct dad i love u always
+946|7025|Marathon, Florida Keys
lol i missed alot in 5 days absence
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2006-04-03 12:40:04
TurDlich
Recovering Karkand Addict
+8|6869|Bottom of the bowl
It really chaps my ass that EA has this unlock gig anyways.  If I pay for a game, I expect to get access to ALL of the content in the game.  So, I play ranked servers because I'm a puss whack who gave into EA's lame little scheme to 'earn' weapons and e-bling.  Now, some people take it a bit far and try to get these e-prizes all fast without earning them.  That's for them to deal with each night when they go to bed, and I understand the reasons behind it; it's just not how I roll.  Hackers have a purpose and I respect them exposing the glitches because I would rather play a balanced game.  Conversely, like with my attitude toward CS:S, if I can kill a hacker (whether I know they are hacking or not) it makes me a better/faster/stronger/smarter/insert adjective here player.  Some people see it as hackers destroying the game play, actually its all how you perceive it.  Let them hack, I don't care.  I like my e-stuff but I don't care about it enough to bitch at someone exploiting the system.  EA is the one who got us to buy their buggy product, and it’s hard to see an incentive for them to keep updating the game.  They patch because the wheels are squeaky; haxors exposing glitches and non-haxors sobbing about hackers.  I'm just happy they update it at all.   I'm just waiting for the day EA starts charging monthly for BF accounts, EA downloader is the first step.  *shudder*  I really wish peeps would stop chanting death to haxors, that is truly ignorant.  How would you know you were playing a crap ass game without hackers pointing it out all the time?  Well, besides the obvious red/blue tag thing, that's just sad.

In a side bar, comparing BF series to CS:S is sorta weak.  CS:S is just the same maps we have been playing for what, 10 years now?  At least EA incorporates new content, not just a new engine with everything ported over.  Well I was conned into buying BF Vietnam....what a complete piece of dookie.
2006-04-03 15:18:20
dubbs
Member
+105|6848|Lexington, KY

TurDlich wrote:

It really chaps my ass that EA has this unlock gig anyways.  If I pay for a game, I expect to get access to ALL of the content in the game.  So, I play ranked servers because I'm a puss whack who gave into EA's lame little scheme to 'earn' weapons and e-bling.  Now, some people take it a bit far and try to get these e-prizes all fast without earning them.  That's for them to deal with each night when they go to bed, and I understand the reasons behind it; it's just not how I roll.  Hackers have a purpose and I respect them exposing the glitches because I would rather play a balanced game.  Conversely, like with my attitude toward CS:S, if I can kill a hacker (whether I know they are hacking or not) it makes me a better/faster/stronger/smarter/insert adjective here player.  Some people see it as hackers destroying the game play, actually its all how you perceive it.  Let them hack, I don't care.  I like my e-stuff but I don't care about it enough to bitch at someone exploiting the system.  EA is the one who got us to buy their buggy product, and it’s hard to see an incentive for them to keep updating the game.  They patch because the wheels are squeaky; haxors exposing glitches and non-haxors sobbing about hackers.  I'm just happy they update it at all.   I'm just waiting for the day EA starts charging monthly for BF accounts, EA downloader is the first step.  *shudder*  I really wish peeps would stop chanting death to haxors, that is truly ignorant.  How would you know you were playing a crap ass game without hackers pointing it out all the time?  Well, besides the obvious red/blue tag thing, that's just sad.

In a side bar, comparing BF series to CS:S is sorta weak.  CS:S is just the same maps we have been playing for what, 10 years now?  At least EA incorporates new content, not just a new engine with everything ported over.  Well I was conned into buying BF Vietnam....what a complete piece of dookie.
There are a lot of games with uinlocks.  So be quite about I want everything as soon as I get into the game.  That is dumb.  Most of the unlocks in games are so people will have a goal in the game, instead of beatring the enitire game.  Since BF2 does not really have a single player mode, they have to keep you playing their game, that is where the ranking/unlock system comes into play. 

Also, someone stated that if people were to play CS:S that no one would care if something like this happened.  That is a lie, they would care, and would be upset.
2006-04-03 15:43:14
GL^Blackwatch^65
Member
+0|6833
Right just a couple of points, (well as a after thought more than two)

1. The unlocks give you something to work towards and i personaly like them but not all may.
2. Again with the ranking system something to work towards and again like them but you might not.
3. If some people don't like these though they not ignore/play on unranked servers.
4. A game that has bugs, as with nearly all programming that involves larger and larger amount of code more and more bugs will need to be fixed.
5. I think there may be beter ways to try and provoke a responce by EA, saying that the acounts have not been wiped/banned yet, wierd.
6. Is it not ironic people are complaning about the stats system and are registered on a site called bf2s.com (Battlefield 2 Stats)

Just my two wee pennys

Last edited by GL^Blackwatch^65 (2006-04-03 15:52:35)

2006-04-03 16:37:38
armin
Member
+0|6972| Bosnia & Herzegovina
I have reported this to bf2rankedservers, I used your post, http://www.bf2rankedservers.com/forums/ … #post28981
2006-04-03 17:01:37
Sgt. Sergio Bennet 3rd
Member
+169|6962|Mexico City
I play for fun focused on getting the awards, not for k/d or w/l ratio, i like to teamplay, and im not stressed and angry everytime i check my stats.
And you´re wrong about CS:S, people play that just to show how 7EET they are, i have played in public servers and all you see is hackers, cheaters, whiners, dorks, and NO teamplayers at all.

IronFerret wrote:

people who play for e medals, and e ranks. really need something else to feel better about their life.. the game its fun and that ranking system just make everybody tense and angry in game.. because they are worry about thir k/d ratio.. the war college ribon or whatever stupid award bf2 has.. anyway, the feelling is always very hostile in bf2 because of this. If you have play F.E.A.R or CS:S you will see this isnt the same cos people play for fun not for a bunch of numbers.
2006-04-03 17:27:54
PunkX
stoned
+198|6840|Canada
I love how those screenshots of the 'hacks' where all in singleplayer
2006-04-03 17:34:00
<[onex]>Headstone
Member
+102|6918|New York
Then EA should have Left the option for UNRANKED servers too have the unlocks unlocked. Didnt they say the game was made with the modders in mind? free reign for unranked servers? I seem to remember this. We ran an unranked server during Ver.1.0 with weapons unlocked, it was full 24/7 Until they patched it. Talk about Stabbing People who dont rent from there partners in the back!!! We even made 10 new maps in 2 days for the Game, Then POOF Unlocks gone=No Players. I havent seen many people (except the folks i play the game with) Actually play the game for fun. Most take it way to seriouse and That alone has killed the fun.

PS, Im a member here because i Cared about when i was going to get the weapons i paid for.

Last edited by <[onex]>Headstone (2006-04-03 17:34:49)

2006-04-03 18:05:10
-=S8M=-Phoenix
Member
+45|7009|South Cybertown, Texas
JMHO, this has to be the most interesting thread I have read on this forum to date!

As far as Cheats, Hacks and Exploits go, the worst thing that happens when one is found; it’s kept secret for a long time in fear that too many people will use them! In reality, it’s just the opposite that should happen! When one is found, people should do everything they can to advertise and explain how it works!

Think about it, before you flame me.

When a larger number of people know about them (and use them), the faster the game makers fix the problems (holes).
2006-04-03 18:19:28
PunkX
stoned
+198|6840|Canada
Also, the exploit is illigit, check other sites and their stats, its a bf2s problem, not an ea problem/exploit.
2006-04-03 18:48:09
Sgt_Stutta
The Disturbed One
+14|6892|Tucson, AZ, USA, Earth
Hey did anyone notice as well that firestorm as a nice little 65,535 total kill count?? However if you add up his totals for each kit is equals out to a whopping 121,286. Looks like the whole top x number of palyers exploited their way to the top
2006-04-03 18:53:15
TurDlich
Recovering Karkand Addict
+8|6869|Bottom of the bowl

dubbs wrote:

There are a lot of games with uinlocks.  So be quite about I want everything as soon as I get into the game.  That is dumb.  Most of the unlocks in games are so people will have a goal in the game, instead of beatring the enitire game.  Since BF2 does not really have a single player mode, they have to keep you playing their game, that is where the ranking/unlock system comes into play. 

Also, someone stated that if people were to play CS:S that no one would care if something like this happened.  That is a lie, they would care, and would be upset.
OK, CS has no unlocks, and I don't think its very dumb to want everything I paid for.  The files are there, but I can't use them?  That's not cool.  I know what the unlocks are for.  Its a lame system for making more money.  Of course they want you to keep playing the game so you can give them more money via expansions and new releases within the series, eventually ending up in EA charging for a "BF account" in addition to the cost of the software..... (just a theory on the account thing) Just seems like a shame to buy software, and not be able to use all of its features without participating in their little club.  While its fun to collect e-stuff, there's no real reason to care about it if you just like playing the game.
2006-04-03 19:00:00
Sgt_Stutta
The Disturbed One
+14|6892|Tucson, AZ, USA, Earth
WOW ok so i dunno if this is just coincidence or what but there is definately something up with EVERYONE on the top 10 list, doing a simple "find" on each of their stats, EVERY SINGLE player on that top 10 list has the number 65,535 somewhere in their profile as a total for something. Like total kills for a kit or total armor kills or something of the sort? does this mean anything??? i dont know but its aweful fishy if u ask me. What do ya'll think?
2006-04-03 20:03:37
Vinny
Member
+7|6991| The Dirtty Dirtty
Well first off i would like to pause long enough to say this...People buy the game to have a good time.

People who cheat take away that good time and i no for a FACT that everyone here has been either been shot by a hacker and whined about it or they hacked. There is always going to be a 50/50 chance nuttin to it.

If you were to get all the Unlocks and no ranking system its wouldnt be an innovated game it would be just like all the rest.

Like i stated B4 this game is not like all the rest it was made so that you can rank up and get Weapons that others Below ur rank dont have and that makes them work harder to get up.

When there are hackers People are going to cry there are no ifs, ands, or buts about it.

So its never going to stop there are always going to be people who have the knowledge to crack the game and theres no way to stop it.

And one more thing If there was ever a point in time that people face the fact and come out and say that they hacked i think they would be let off one reason being it would Close BF2 because more then likely a lot of people have it and they no others and ratting them out to be on top is what there doing.
2006-04-03 20:40:18
My_pet_squirrel
Have you seen my nutz?
+126|6836
wow you think too hard
2006-04-03 20:41:49
Vinny
Member
+7|6991| The Dirtty Dirtty
Only when i have to....lol
2006-04-03 20:42:21
Rellim83
Member
+7|6898|PA
why does it seem like ppl are talking about 2 totally different subjects.....1-unlocks 2-exploits......i believe this thread is on the exploits....
2006-04-04 00:41:14
B.Schuss
I'm back, baby... ( sort of )
+664|7057|Cologne, Germany

Rellim83 wrote:

why does it seem like ppl are talking about 2 totally different subjects.....1-unlocks 2-exploits......i believe this thread is on the exploits....
well, it started about the exploits, but it has turned into a general debate about the ranking system.

I agree that the Gobal Ranking system is one of the features that sets this game apart from other FPS.
It provides some kind of long-time motivation which other shooters cannot provide. I believe more people have bought this game just to be able to use that feature. So it has been a great marketing tool for EA.

The problem I see is that you should only have a ranking system if you can somehow guarantee that its integrity can be upheld. The ranking system becomes meaningless if people find ways to cheat / use exploits to get awards others have to play for.

With that said, EA is never going to abolish the ranking system. It has been too much of a marketing success.

I just hope they do provide some resources to fight the battle against bugs/exploits/cheats.

In the meantime, I am just gonna use the stats as a tool to improve my game, get better personally and compare my stats to those of the people who I know don't cheat or use exploits ( i.e., clan members or other friends ). Comparing my score globally really doesn't make much sense any more.
2006-04-04 02:51:13
RancidElf
Member
+0|6815
Ok let me explain a couple of things....1st some info on numbers in programming.

Numbers can be signed or unsigned.  The most significant bit will determined if the number is negative or posative in a signed number.

eg a byte which is 8 bits works like this.

BINARY
( most significant bit )
|
V
00000000

If the MSB ( most sagnificant bit ) is set it means the number is negative when the number is signed.

So

unsigned  DEC : 0 - 256    HEX 0 - FF

signed   DEC : -127 - 127   HEX FF-7F

32 bit values ( A WORD )

unsigned DEC : 0 - 65535   HEX 0 - FFFF
signed DEC :  -32767 - 32767   HEX FFFF - 7FFF


Now if you look at blazins medic score it seems to me he probably has more than 65535 kills.

This leads me to believe that bf2s is either taking only a 32 bit unsigned value for his kills ( which means its chopping it down ) or the number bf2s is getting from the server is wrong.

if the kills field in the database is a 64bit value ( which im sure it will be ) and you only read 32 bits of that value then you are ...ermm ill give an example...

65536 in hex ( 64 bit value ) = 1FFFF

if you move that 64 bit values into a 32 bit value which is unsigned you will cut off the 33 bit onwards....eg be left with  FFFF.

Something else to note.  WITH THE CHEATERS AT THE TOP.

if for example blazin or anyone had -1 kill then this value is also FFFF ( hex ) in a 32 bit signed value.
So for example if you entered a negative number into one of your database fields when reading back you would get the results you are seeing here.

Blazin I would say has just shown up with a value that is handled wrongly.

Hope this makes sense if not ask questions.  Its early in the morning for me and im rushing to get a game finished so I have not had time to think about this post.

EDIT :

ok blazin has 73337 kills and 69411 deaths..  so I would suggest the makers of this site check the script you have written for handling kills / deaths as I believe you are probably trying to read a 64 bit value into a 32 bit number and getting wrong results.

Last edited by RancidElf (2006-04-04 02:56:36)

2006-04-04 03:29:57
dubbs
Member
+105|6848|Lexington, KY

TurDlich wrote:

dubbs wrote:

There are a lot of games with uinlocks.  So be quite about I want everything as soon as I get into the game.  That is dumb.  Most of the unlocks in games are so people will have a goal in the game, instead of beatring the enitire game.  Since BF2 does not really have a single player mode, they have to keep you playing their game, that is where the ranking/unlock system comes into play. 

Also, someone stated that if people were to play CS:S that no one would care if something like this happened.  That is a lie, they would care, and would be upset.
OK, CS has no unlocks, and I don't think its very dumb to want everything I paid for.  The files are there, but I can't use them?  That's not cool.  I know what the unlocks are for.  Its a lame system for making more money.  Of course they want you to keep playing the game so you can give them more money via expansions and new releases within the series, eventually ending up in EA charging for a "BF account" in addition to the cost of the software..... (just a theory on the account thing) Just seems like a shame to buy software, and not be able to use all of its features without participating in their little club.  While its fun to collect e-stuff, there's no real reason to care about it if you just like playing the game.
I am going to assume you have GTA:SA, sorry if you do not, the files for all the other cities were there, but you do not get to get them as soon as you install/start the game.  COD2, all of the boards/maps are there, but you can not play all of them as soon as you install the game.  Spider-man 2, you do not get all of the unlocks as soon as you start the game.  Morrowind, you do not get all of the items when you start the game.  On all of these games you have the file, but you can not use them until you reached a certain point in the game.  That is the same thing that EA is doing. 

On a different note, I think it is stupid that you can not play with the unlocks in the single player mode.
2006-04-04 03:44:12
mcminty
Moderating your content for the Australian Govt.
+879|6937|Sydney, Australia

RancidElf wrote:

Ok let me explain a couple of things....1st some info on numbers in programming.

programming stuff
Althought I didn't understand one bit, if you think the sites coding is wrong, you should PM chuyskywalker, the guy that runs the site.
2006-04-04 03:59:29
Z-trooper
BF2s' little helper
+209|6975|Denmark
"Clean up in haxx-town"

If those -[C.E.A]- tards havent done what they did, BlaZiN and Volx might never have get chaught
2006-04-04 04:24:35
Nikola Bathory
Karkand T-90 0wnage
+163|7003|Bulgaria
what are EA going to ban those -[C.E.A]-  idiots?
where do I report them?
>>>BF3 Central<<<
2006-04-04 04:41:09
<[onex]>Headstone
Member
+102|6918|New York
While i agree That theres many games out there that Have unlocks, (cod2 not being one of them in Multiplayer) I have to say, My Alliance has been running Game servers from Our Single server box for 6 years, We were the first clan to Mod MOHAA With No cross mods and sniper only mods, we distributed this mod to over 100 clans within the first week of the games release. We also run 2 CODUO servers that have been full for 2 years straight! 24/7. We run a CS.S server, A farcry server, and we rent one server out thats full 24/7. Now the BF2 server sits empty and we rent that box seprately. If you look at the # of prople actually playing, and the number of ranked servers running the same version, youll see that maybe only 3-400 servers were needed to keep the games FULL. Yet you see 3300 listed in the games browser. What a shame and WASTE of money, Because 3/4 of them sit EMPTY.

Im ALL for people who want to play the ranking system and Prove how Leet they are to other hardcore gamers, But Those same Leet epople with there shiny new weapons  Own the noobs trying to play by EA's silly rules, Just to get One stinking unlock to even things up.

Not everyone has the time to sit for 15 hours a day Playing this game to get there unlocks. Honestly, is that fair? As i said, EA promised the game would be 100% modder friendly, then they go and Shut down the ability for UNRANKED servers to unlock all the weapons. For the people who Play For FUN, Thats not cool. You all remember FUN dont you? Well Remember and cherrish it, because if this keeps up, Games will no longer be about fun, they will be even more cutthroat then they are now. With even Pissier attitudes of players to go along with it.

As for the haxors, We Just boot there asses to the street in our server. No questions asked.

Last edited by <[onex]>Headstone (2006-04-04 04:43:17)

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