So a man who is without a doubt burning in hell or a man who fought for peace and the honorable way. I, for one,Wikipedia wrote:
Robert McNamara was an American business executive and the eighth Secretary of Defense. McNamara served as Defense Secretary for Presidents John F. Kennedy and Lyndon B. Johnson during the Vietnam War from 1961 to 1968. Following that he served as President of the World Bank from 1968 until 1981. McNamara was responsible for the institution of systems analysis in public policy, which developed into the discipline known today as policy analysis.
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this was the morning news
rip though robert
can't believe he thought he was doing good in Vietnam
this was the morning news
rip though robert
can't believe he thought he was doing good in Vietnam
I can see how he thought good was being done via American intervention in Vietnam. But I think it's sad that it took him 30 years to see that he (and others) were wrong about that.
His tenure (absent the Vietnam bit) did bring some goodness to the DoD. Some other idiots have gone overboard with his principles since then, but the foundations of analyzing effectiveness of programs are sound.
His tenure (absent the Vietnam bit) did bring some goodness to the DoD. Some other idiots have gone overboard with his principles since then, but the foundations of analyzing effectiveness of programs are sound.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
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Just ordered 'The Fog of War' online. Haven't seen it but always wanted to.
one of the best documentaries i've ever seenCameronPoe wrote:
Just ordered 'The Fog of War' online. Haven't seen it but always wanted to.
Hmmm....
Brought in statistical analysis and cost vs. benefit BUSINESS methods to the military and military actions.
Fallout... good for the accountants, bad for the people in the field.
Forced the Air Force and Navy Aviation into "Commonalty". The use of the same aircraft and types for very different, branch missions.
Fallout... "All Purpose" aircraft the do it all but, nothing very well or outstandingly.
Agreed with the "Missile Only" theory for fighter craft. This was first proposed by the Air Force, that guns and cannons were not needed. Aircraft would would only need air-to-air missiles as "Dog Fights" were a thing of the past in a high Mach environment.
Therefore the budget for teaching "Dog Fighting" was wiped out.
Fallout... Aircraft and crews lost until enough "Evidence" was "Correlated" to reverse the "Missile Only Theory".
As you can see, I'm not a fan of his, as Sec Def.
Brought in statistical analysis and cost vs. benefit BUSINESS methods to the military and military actions.
Fallout... good for the accountants, bad for the people in the field.
Forced the Air Force and Navy Aviation into "Commonalty". The use of the same aircraft and types for very different, branch missions.
Fallout... "All Purpose" aircraft the do it all but, nothing very well or outstandingly.
Agreed with the "Missile Only" theory for fighter craft. This was first proposed by the Air Force, that guns and cannons were not needed. Aircraft would would only need air-to-air missiles as "Dog Fights" were a thing of the past in a high Mach environment.
Therefore the budget for teaching "Dog Fighting" was wiped out.
Fallout... Aircraft and crews lost until enough "Evidence" was "Correlated" to reverse the "Missile Only Theory".
As you can see, I'm not a fan of his, as Sec Def.
Those two are the same thing. He introduced business cost/benefit analysis into the DoD.Karbin wrote:
Hmmm....
Brought in statistical analysis and cost vs. benefit BUSINESS methods to the military and military actions.
Fallout... good for the accountants, bad for the people in the field.
He also agreed when it didn't work to pursue different platforms...which resulted in two of the most capable aircraft ever fielded (the FB-111 and the F-14).Karbin wrote:
Forced the Air Force and Navy Aviation into "Commonalty". The use of the same aircraft and types for very different, branch missions.
Fallout... "All Purpose" aircraft the do it all but, nothing very well or outstandingly.
It was also the Navy's theory. Hence the F-4 being fielded (by the Navy) without a gun. That theory was based on engaging bomber formations, not dogfighting. And yes, it was flawed when trying to apply it to a dog-fighting scenario. That's why they started putting guns on fighters and implemented Top Gun (Navy) and Fighter Weapons School (AF). Most/all of which were also approved on his watch.Karbin wrote:
Agreed with the "Missile Only" theory for fighter craft. This was first proposed by the Air Force, that guns and cannons were not needed. Aircraft would would only need air-to-air missiles as "Dog Fights" were a thing of the past in a high Mach environment.
Therefore the budget for teaching "Dog Fighting" was wiped out.
Fallout... Aircraft and crews lost until enough "Evidence" was "Correlated" to reverse the "Missile Only Theory".
Nor am I, but for different reasons.Karbin wrote:
As you can see, I'm not a fan of his, as Sec Def.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular