ok
Like I siad, I am fully capable of deciding for myself based on what I read, and testimony provided.Poseidon wrote:
Right right, I forgot. You don't care for the whole "innocent until proven guilty" shtick. You know, the thing that's the cornerstone of our legal system...lowing wrote:
The govt. needs proof I do not.Poseidon wrote:
I'm still curious as to see what kind of "proof" lowing has that MJ is a child molester.
It's like KJ said - it's inconclusive. You can't say he is, you can't say he's not. There's no proof. Whatsoever.
Like I said in the other topic, they couldn't even pin serving alcohol to a minor on him.
By your assumptions I can only assume you would allow your son to sleep with MJ in the same bed, or even in the same house.
Personally? I wouldn't. But those parents did. That's up to them.
reasonable doubt is a burden for the govt. when assigning punishment, not for the rest of us.
This is a position I read today, and it makes sense to me.
You can just say "I don't have any proof and am making claims based on a case I really know nothing about other than what Michelle Malkin and Sean Hannity told me".lowing wrote:
Like I siad, I am fully capable of deciding for myself based on what I read, and testimony provided.Poseidon wrote:
Right right, I forgot. You don't care for the whole "innocent until proven guilty" shtick. You know, the thing that's the cornerstone of our legal system...lowing wrote:
The govt. needs proof I do not.
By your assumptions I can only assume you would allow your son to sleep with MJ in the same bed, or even in the same house.
Personally? I wouldn't. But those parents did. That's up to them.
reasonable doubt is a burden for the govt. when assigning punishment, not for the rest of us.
This is a position I read today, and it makes sense to me.
So much easier man. Really.
The question I'll ask is this:
Why do you think MJ is a pedophile? What reasons do you have for believing in that idea?
Why do you think MJ is a pedophile? What reasons do you have for believing in that idea?
why? a jury never convicted them of anything.Varegg wrote:
Totally irrelevant ...usmarine wrote:
i guess hitler was never guilty of anything then. and i guess that chick who shot mccnair aint guilty since she is dead. oh, and OJ is innocent.Varegg wrote:
Not guilty until proven so ... and that includes a jury, a judge and a couple of lawyers ...
You say it's not left for you or me but you by your posts have judged him ... how do you defend your statement of him being a pedophile?
keep going though. i am laughing.
So you don't consider him being loaded and naive somehow could have colored the testimony? ... no chance at all that the pot of gold in the end had anything to do with it?lowing wrote:
Like I siad, I am fully capable of deciding for myself based on what I read, and testimony provided.Poseidon wrote:
Right right, I forgot. You don't care for the whole "innocent until proven guilty" shtick. You know, the thing that's the cornerstone of our legal system...lowing wrote:
The govt. needs proof I do not.
By your assumptions I can only assume you would allow your son to sleep with MJ in the same bed, or even in the same house.
Personally? I wouldn't. But those parents did. That's up to them.
reasonable doubt is a burden for the govt. when assigning punishment, not for the rest of us.
This is a position I read today, and it makes sense to me.
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paying you accuser 20mil so he shuts up. jesus guys. its not that hard. i mean if sarah palin had paid someone 20mil to stfu, would you give her the benefit oft he doubt? nope. sure as hell wouldnt. so get out of here with your fake crap.SplinterStrike wrote:
Why do you think MJ is a pedophile? What reasons do you have for believing in that idea?
Because if Hitler was innocent or not have nothing to do with MJ being innocent or not ...lowing wrote:
why? a jury never convicted them of anything.Varegg wrote:
Totally irrelevant ...usmarine wrote:
i guess hitler was never guilty of anything then. and i guess that chick who shot mccnair aint guilty since she is dead. oh, and OJ is innocent.
keep going though. i am laughing.
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paid hush moneySplinterStrike wrote:
The question I'll ask is this:
Why do you think MJ is a pedophile? What reasons do you have for believing in that idea?
testimony of employees of the Ranch
MJ's behavior
his own admittance of sleeping with little boys.
you have assigned that responsibility to a jury and not ones actions, and hitler never was judged by a jury.Varegg wrote:
Because if Hitler was innocent or not have nothing to do with MJ being innocent or not ...lowing wrote:
why? a jury never convicted them of anything.Varegg wrote:
Totally irrelevant ...
I have yet to see any testimony from anyone saying he fucked little boys ...lowing wrote:
paid hush moneySplinterStrike wrote:
The question I'll ask is this:
Why do you think MJ is a pedophile? What reasons do you have for believing in that idea?
testimony of employees of the Ranch
MJ's behavior
his own admittance of sleeping with little boys.
Wait behind the line ..............................................................
this thread is stupid.
*Sigh*lowing wrote:
you have assigned that responsibility to a jury and not ones actions, and hitler never was judged by a jury.Varegg wrote:
Because if Hitler was innocent or not have nothing to do with MJ being innocent or not ...lowing wrote:
why? a jury never convicted them of anything.
Still it is irrelevant as it has no connection with MJ what so ever ...
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http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,1046687,00.htmlVaregg wrote:
I have yet to see any testimony from anyone saying he fucked little boys ...lowing wrote:
paid hush moneySplinterStrike wrote:
The question I'll ask is this:
Why do you think MJ is a pedophile? What reasons do you have for believing in that idea?
testimony of employees of the Ranch
MJ's behavior
his own admittance of sleeping with little boys.
now ya have.
lol its only irrelevant because it flushes your reasoning down the shitter.Varegg wrote:
*Sigh*lowing wrote:
you have assigned that responsibility to a jury and not ones actions, and hitler never was judged by a jury.Varegg wrote:
Because if Hitler was innocent or not have nothing to do with MJ being innocent or not ...
Still it is irrelevant as it has no connection with MJ what so ever ...
the 2 are not linked no, the inconsistency of the way you choose to assign guilt or innocence is what is relevant.Varegg wrote:
*Sigh*lowing wrote:
you have assigned that responsibility to a jury and not ones actions, and hitler never was judged by a jury.Varegg wrote:
Because if Hitler was innocent or not have nothing to do with MJ being innocent or not ...
Still it is irrelevant as it has no connection with MJ what so ever ...
ok, I lied about not posting...lowing wrote:
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,1046687,00.htmlVaregg wrote:
I have yet to see any testimony from anyone saying he fucked little boys ...lowing wrote:
paid hush money
testimony of employees of the Ranch
MJ's behavior
his own admittance of sleeping with little boys.
now ya have.
Macaulay Culkin? Who hasn't molested Macaulay Culkin?
I accuse Lowing of rape.
Now how can the rest of you honor him by taking the time to succomb to his trolling?
Now how can the rest of you honor him by taking the time to succomb to his trolling?
its his thread. so leave.12/f/taiwan wrote:
this thread is stupid.
dont look now but you are trolling. durrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrnlsme1 wrote:
I accuse Lowing of rape.
Now how can the rest of you honor him by taking the time to succomb to his trolling?
lowing wrote:
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,1046687,00.htmlVaregg wrote:
I have yet to see any testimony from anyone saying he fucked little boys ...lowing wrote:
paid hush money
testimony of employees of the Ranch
MJ's behavior
his own admittance of sleeping with little boys.
now ya have.
Lemarque changed his statements so many times he is the least credible source you can find ... but nice try though ...
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Actually it doesn't ... it does however prove how incapable at reasoning you two are when you provide Hitler as proof as to how MJ is guilty in your opinions ...usmarine wrote:
lol its only irrelevant because it flushes your reasoning down the shitter.Varegg wrote:
*Sigh*lowing wrote:
you have assigned that responsibility to a jury and not ones actions, and hitler never was judged by a jury.
Still it is irrelevant as it has no connection with MJ what so ever ...
Wait behind the line ..............................................................
ok
I have no idea if MJ is guilty or not. I have read that the pay off to "quiet" his accuser was actually a decision he had no control over. The insurance provider went ahead and cut its losses at the objection of MJ. LaToya Jackson also accused him of improper conduct but later recanted but again it is two stories in one. Anyhow, I have heard both sides of that pay off issue. Nobody really knows what really happened except for MJ himself and the kids who were around him...but now, one voice will never be heard from again. I don't know, nobody really does.
He is guilty of being a nut job though. His behavior was far from the norm and his statements dug him a bigger hole over and over. I am sorry, I am a father of a 5 year old daughter and can't imagine her sleeping with an adult man that is not family or even family for that matter. I blame both the parents that allowed it and MJ for taking advantage of that. It is NEVER okay to sleep with children unrelated to you sexually or not. That is where MJ was a complete idiot.
As far as the media and all these people wanting to honor MJ. I think it is a joke. Where were all these people when this guy was feeding himself these drugs. Where were these people when he was down and basically hiding in other countries. I find many of these people at the memorial to be total hypocrites and made me wonder how MJ was allowed to fall as he did. I am sure some of his family tried, maybe some of the celebs but Mariah...BS, Usher...BS...kid from Britain's got talent...BS.
I was listening to the radio as well the day of the memorial and someone interviewed someone outside Staples center..guess what he was doing there. Selling T-shirts, buttons, black soap, posters...etc and said that he had made a ton of money that day. Yeah, he really, really cared about MJ. I am sure if he was selling that on the street a month ago, he wouldn't have made a dime. Anyhow, the leaches came out, the celeb leaches, the family leaches (Daddy Joe Jackson and his blue ray venture) and the public leaches and their fake sorrow. Some of these people are crazier than MJ
Anyhow, MJ guilty? Nobody truly knows except for a few (court decisions or not) and we have proof that society is just as wacko. I would have loved to see this same reaction, the same passion, the same desire to gather and show their concern to the people of Iran, the soldiers that die in Afghanistan, the kids that today have gone missing around the world. oh...no....its MJ and that is more important?
He is guilty of being a nut job though. His behavior was far from the norm and his statements dug him a bigger hole over and over. I am sorry, I am a father of a 5 year old daughter and can't imagine her sleeping with an adult man that is not family or even family for that matter. I blame both the parents that allowed it and MJ for taking advantage of that. It is NEVER okay to sleep with children unrelated to you sexually or not. That is where MJ was a complete idiot.
As far as the media and all these people wanting to honor MJ. I think it is a joke. Where were all these people when this guy was feeding himself these drugs. Where were these people when he was down and basically hiding in other countries. I find many of these people at the memorial to be total hypocrites and made me wonder how MJ was allowed to fall as he did. I am sure some of his family tried, maybe some of the celebs but Mariah...BS, Usher...BS...kid from Britain's got talent...BS.
I was listening to the radio as well the day of the memorial and someone interviewed someone outside Staples center..guess what he was doing there. Selling T-shirts, buttons, black soap, posters...etc and said that he had made a ton of money that day. Yeah, he really, really cared about MJ. I am sure if he was selling that on the street a month ago, he wouldn't have made a dime. Anyhow, the leaches came out, the celeb leaches, the family leaches (Daddy Joe Jackson and his blue ray venture) and the public leaches and their fake sorrow. Some of these people are crazier than MJ
Anyhow, MJ guilty? Nobody truly knows except for a few (court decisions or not) and we have proof that society is just as wacko. I would have loved to see this same reaction, the same passion, the same desire to gather and show their concern to the people of Iran, the soldiers that die in Afghanistan, the kids that today have gone missing around the world. oh...no....its MJ and that is more important?
You are a bright one also!!!!usmarine wrote:
dont look now but you are trolling. durrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrnlsme1 wrote:
I accuse Lowing of rape.
Now how can the rest of you honor him by taking the time to succomb to his trolling?
Lowings OPINION is not something that can be DEBATED. Nor is he having a SERIOUS TALK.