Legalize, regulate, educate.
That's the most practical course for controlling most substances.
That's the most practical course for controlling most substances.
A few weed FACTS of my own:
FACT: Weed fucks up your lungs. Big time. But it doesn't cause cancer or emphysema - which are the two worst lung diseases that are caused by smoking tobacco.
FACT: Weed effects your ability to cope with mental health difficulties. If you are an adult and don't have any of these, it's not a big deal - for kids, it's a risk.
FACT: Weed makes you chronically lazy. Has a big impact on self motivation.
FACT: Weed is addictive but not physically so. There will be no side effects from an addict not having any, apart from wanting some.
I think that's the negative side pretty much covered.
FACT: Weed fucks up your lungs. Big time. But it doesn't cause cancer or emphysema - which are the two worst lung diseases that are caused by smoking tobacco.
FACT: Weed effects your ability to cope with mental health difficulties. If you are an adult and don't have any of these, it's not a big deal - for kids, it's a risk.
FACT: Weed makes you chronically lazy. Has a big impact on self motivation.
FACT: Weed is addictive but not physically so. There will be no side effects from an addict not having any, apart from wanting some.
I think that's the negative side pretty much covered.
No, no, no. It's more of a hook to get them back to yours after being out at a club or something.Mekstizzle wrote:
Replace smoke with drinking alcohol and bingo, that definitely goes for me. I'm sure it goes for alot of other guys too, I'll happily admit it.
I don't think smoking weed would raise my game though, she would have to be high aswell for it to work properly, then again, it works better when she is also drunk so...
This is such an old old argument in bf2s speak.
When I see a Dutch site post what was in the OP maybe I'll listen (probably not lol).
Perhaps read up on William Randolph Hearst if you think its illegalization in the US is based on health concerns alone.
When I see a Dutch site post what was in the OP maybe I'll listen (probably not lol).
Perhaps read up on William Randolph Hearst if you think its illegalization in the US is based on health concerns alone.
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Quicklucktimepost:
99% of pro-pot people don't claim this, stop trying to imply that we do.
MYTH: You can't get addicted to marijuana.
99% of pro-pot people don't claim this, stop trying to imply that we do.
MYTH: There's not much parents can do to stop their kids from experimenting with marijuana.
True. I removed the speech marks from 'experimenting'.
MYTH: There are no long-term consequences to marijuana use.
99% of pro-pot people don't claim this, stop trying to imply that we do.
MYTH: Marijuana isn't as popular as other drugs like ecstasy among teens today.
This depends on where you go, as different drugs have different popularity in different areas.
MYTH: Young kids won't be exposed to marijuana.
"Young kids" in the MYTH, "children and teens" in the FACT. Thats some very dodgy word-twisting language there...
MYTH: Parents who experimented with marijuana in their youth would be hypocrites if they told their kids not to try it.
FACT doesn't address the MYTH.
So,
Why do you antis keep making claims about the beliefs/statements of pros which simply aren't true?
re: Phelps, I'm not sure if he smoked during training, but the photo implies this is likely. It wasn't MJ use which caused him to lose sponsorship, it was the sponsors. If they never found out, he'd still have those extra millions.
MYTH: Marijuana is harmless.Swan wrote:
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99% of pro-pot people don't claim this, stop trying to imply that we do.
MYTH: You can't get addicted to marijuana.
99% of pro-pot people don't claim this, stop trying to imply that we do.
MYTH: There's not much parents can do to stop their kids from experimenting with marijuana.
True. I removed the speech marks from 'experimenting'.
MYTH: There are no long-term consequences to marijuana use.
99% of pro-pot people don't claim this, stop trying to imply that we do.
MYTH: Marijuana isn't as popular as other drugs like ecstasy among teens today.
This depends on where you go, as different drugs have different popularity in different areas.
MYTH: Young kids won't be exposed to marijuana.
"Young kids" in the MYTH, "children and teens" in the FACT. Thats some very dodgy word-twisting language there...
MYTH: Parents who experimented with marijuana in their youth would be hypocrites if they told their kids not to try it.
FACT doesn't address the MYTH.
So,
Why do you antis keep making claims about the beliefs/statements of pros which simply aren't true?
re: Phelps, I'm not sure if he smoked during training, but the photo implies this is likely. It wasn't MJ use which caused him to lose sponsorship, it was the sponsors. If they never found out, he'd still have those extra millions.
FACT: Vaporising cannabis > Combustion. Out goes the entire argument over negative effects on lungs/health.
Seriously. That's why I prefer to use the vap., and so should everyone else. A healthier alternative to your recreation.[-DER-]Omega wrote:
FACT: Vaporising cannabis > Combustion. Out goes the entire argument over negative effects on lungs/health.
William Randolph Hearst
This man's greed is why it is illegal in the U.S. .....mostly.
This man's greed is why it is illegal in the U.S. .....mostly.
Ummm you can ingest it too... ie magic cookies and brownies. And you can brew it in soy milk to make mothers milk, that's how cancer patients use it. and I believe that they even have a THC patch. So the whole "its bad for your lungs" argument is garbage. may be marijauna should have a warning label, [do not smoke for ingestion only AND you'll get higher]mtb0minime wrote:
Seriously. That's why I prefer to use the vap., and so should everyone else. A healthier alternative to your recreation.[-DER-]Omega wrote:
FACT: Vaporising cannabis > Combustion. Out goes the entire argument over negative effects on lungs/health.
There is no reason why pot shouldn't be legalized, it was criminalized largely for racist anti-Mexican reasons. Criminalization of pot wastes time and resources better spent going after real criminals and keeping us safe from terrorism or for re-education of sheeple who believe everything that money whoring scientists who have agendas state as scientific fact.
Just say no.... to money whoring liar scientists
Thing is, I don't think they'll ever legalise marijuana in the US simply because it would show weakness from the government due to them having spent an insurmountable amount of money and effort in their anti-marijuana campaign thus far. That and jobs.
Anti-marijuana types:
How do you reconcile your arguments against marijuana, given that A)most/all of the arguments against marijuana can also be applied to alcohol, and B)alcohol has been proven to cause more harm than marijuana.
Answer this question or face the charge of hypocricy.
How do you reconcile your arguments against marijuana, given that A)most/all of the arguments against marijuana can also be applied to alcohol, and B)alcohol has been proven to cause more harm than marijuana.
Answer this question or face the charge of hypocricy.
Both are stupid, but neither should be illegal given the difficulty in actually preventing the usage thereof. As long as there are regulations and laws, then legalization is fine.
This sums it up quite nicely.Diesel_dyk wrote:
No law is going to protect people from their own stupidity.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
Alcohol is widely socially accepted, marijuana isn't.Pubic wrote:
How do you reconcile your arguments against marijuana, given that A)most/all of the arguments against marijuana can also be applied to alcohol, and B)alcohol has been proven to cause more harm than marijuana.
If we were in the reverse situation with the vast majority of people using marijuana to varying degrees and a minority of people were pressing for legalisation of alcohol it wouldn't happen either.
Doesn't mean alcohol is a good thing or marijuana is a good thing either.
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Fuck Israel
If used responsibly it only effects the user. So if you don't want to use it fine but it doesn't need to be illegal imo.
Applies to all drugs, argument doesn't wash.If used responsibly it only effects the user.
Fuck Israel
It's a plant, and pardon me for being so dense but what do you mean?...argument doesn't wash?Dilbert_X wrote:
Applies to all drugs, argument doesn't wash.If used responsibly it only effects the user.
The argument doesn't hold up.
Heroin used responsibly only affects the user.
And heroin is a flower, so how could it be bad?
Heroin used responsibly only affects the user.
And heroin is a flower, so how could it be bad?
Fuck Israel
You really think of marijuana and heroin as the same thing?? That's like saying a bottle of everclear is the same as a can of beer.
I didn't say they were the same, I said your argument fails.
Beer comes from grass, what possible harm could come from that?
Beer comes from grass, what possible harm could come from that?
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Fuck Israel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Twre6ItGEI
Click the link..
I really don't understand how these are facts? If they came from a scientific journal I could see it, with experimenting behind it.
Fact: Faith is very different from Science.
Fact: Telling teens that smoking pot will lead to sex will not work as a Deterrent.
Most government programs like DARE and Stranger Danger do more harm then good. Where as I'm sure you've all Seen "POT" destroy lives, I've seen way more evidence of CAKE AND Over eating destroying lives..
Click the link..
I really don't understand how these are facts? If they came from a scientific journal I could see it, with experimenting behind it.
Fact: Faith is very different from Science.
Fact: Telling teens that smoking pot will lead to sex will not work as a Deterrent.
Most government programs like DARE and Stranger Danger do more harm then good. Where as I'm sure you've all Seen "POT" destroy lives, I've seen way more evidence of CAKE AND Over eating destroying lives..
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Heroin use spreads HIV, and creates crime because you get junkies stealing in order to afford their fix. This isn't something that happens with pot or alcohol.Dilbert_X wrote:
The argument doesn't hold up.
Heroin used responsibly only affects the user.
And heroin is a flower, so how could it be bad?
Stop resorting to ridiculous comparisons to try to give your argument some strength, you're using that stupid lack of ability to see shades of grey thing that lowing does.
They aren't facts, they're 'facts'. The difference is one of them is true, the other use elements of truth combined with some scaremongering to get kids not to smoke.cpt.fass1 wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Twre6ItGEI
Click the link..
I really don't understand how these are facts? If they came from a scientific journal I could see it, with experimenting behind it.
Fact: Faith is very different from Science.
Fact: Telling teens that smoking pot will lead to sex will not work as a Deterrent.
Most government programs like DARE and Stranger Danger do more harm then good. Where as I'm sure you've all Seen "POT" destroy lives, I've seen way more evidence of CAKE AND Over eating destroying lives..
Have you ever seen a junkiie and what he/she will do for a fix?Dilbert_X wrote:
The argument doesn't hold up.
Heroin used responsibly only affects the user.
And heroin is a flower, so how could it be bad?
you know what cracks me up aboot threads like this... young people saying "well i have been smoking and have no health problems." lulz.
I will continue to stand toe to toe with you on any subject. See if you can pose, ONCE, an argument without insult, or accusation or abandoning the thread and go based on the merits of the issue. I dare you to try.ghettoperson wrote:
Heroin use spreads HIV, and creates crime because you get junkies stealing in order to afford their fix. This isn't something that happens with pot or alcohol.Dilbert_X wrote:
The argument doesn't hold up.
Heroin used responsibly only affects the user.
And heroin is a flower, so how could it be bad?
Stop resorting to ridiculous comparisons to try to give your argument some strength, you're using that stupid lack of ability to see shades of grey thing that lowing does.
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