Hurricane2k9
Pendulous Sweaty Balls
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Narupug wrote:

M.O.A.B wrote:

imortal wrote:


Well, nuclear facilities here in the US are some of the best guarded facilities in the country.  Better then most military bases, in fact.
I'm not sure if it happens in the U.S or the UK. But in Russia I've heard they use special forces units to guard their nuclear plants.

In the grand scheme of things, the number of severe accidents that have occured at nuclear facilities against the number in the world is tiny. Like people already said, the Chernobyl accident was poor, rushed construction typical of Soviet engineering at the time, worsened by poorly trained men and safety systems.
This might sound crazy but have you guys thought of the fact that maybe this was a foriegn affairs move, like if Iran isn't allowed to have a nuclear program then why should we be advancing ours?  Sounds hipocritical to me. 

Also what if someone working at the facility was able to place explosives in all the right places?
All these "what ifs" but no clear-cut real statistical chances

"What if" a viking came into my room right now and raped me with a monitor lizard?
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M.O.A.B
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Hurricane2k9 wrote:

Narupug wrote:

M.O.A.B wrote:


I'm not sure if it happens in the U.S or the UK. But in Russia I've heard they use special forces units to guard their nuclear plants.

In the grand scheme of things, the number of severe accidents that have occured at nuclear facilities against the number in the world is tiny. Like people already said, the Chernobyl accident was poor, rushed construction typical of Soviet engineering at the time, worsened by poorly trained men and safety systems.
This might sound crazy but have you guys thought of the fact that maybe this was a foriegn affairs move, like if Iran isn't allowed to have a nuclear program then why should we be advancing ours?  Sounds hipocritical to me. 

Also what if someone working at the facility was able to place explosives in all the right places?
All these "what ifs" but no clear-cut real statistical chances

"What if" a viking came into my room right now and raped me with a monitor lizard?
That would be a severe wtf moment.
Narupug
Fodder Mostly
+150|5891|Vacationland

M.O.A.B wrote:

Hurricane2k9 wrote:

Narupug wrote:


This might sound crazy but have you guys thought of the fact that maybe this was a foriegn affairs move, like if Iran isn't allowed to have a nuclear program then why should we be advancing ours?  Sounds hipocritical to me. 

Also what if someone working at the facility was able to place explosives in all the right places?
All these "what ifs" but no clear-cut real statistical chances

"What if" a viking came into my room right now and raped me with a monitor lizard?
That would be a severe wtf moment.
What were the chances that terrorists would use commercial jet liners as weapons?  We have to prepare for the worst and Nuclear Power is just too dangerous compared to Solar panels and the like which I see a minimal danger in.
Catbox
forgiveness
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Narupug wrote:

M.O.A.B wrote:

Hurricane2k9 wrote:


All these "what ifs" but no clear-cut real statistical chances

"What if" a viking came into my room right now and raped me with a monitor lizard?
That would be a severe wtf moment.
What were the chances that terrorists would use commercial jet liners as weapons?  We have to prepare for the worst and Nuclear Power is just too dangerous compared to Solar panels and the like which I see a minimal danger in.
Then we have to decide... cap and trade and go green or stick with coal/oil for our fuel sources... People complain when they try to erect solar panels in the desert... they dont want windmills because they are ugly and kill birds... people don't want nukes because they have inherent dangers...   Can't have it both ways... unless we are all going to ride skateboards to work and live in tents.
Love is the answer
Narupug
Fodder Mostly
+150|5891|Vacationland

[TUF]Catbox wrote:

Narupug wrote:

M.O.A.B wrote:


That would be a severe wtf moment.
What were the chances that terrorists would use commercial jet liners as weapons?  We have to prepare for the worst and Nuclear Power is just too dangerous compared to Solar panels and the like which I see a minimal danger in.
Then we have to decide... cap and trade and go green or stick with coal/oil for our fuel sources... People complain when they try to erect solar panels in the desert... they dont want windmills because they are ugly and kill birds... people don't want nukes because they have inherent dangers...   Can't have it both ways... unless we are all going to ride skateboards to work and live in tents.
Tents are fun...I'll make sure to post from one.
I've stated before we need to sacrifice somethings, the wildlife, to save the planet.  We can come back to saving the birds and whatever else once we stop Global warming.
Hurricane2k9
Pendulous Sweaty Balls
+1,538|5996|College Park, MD

Narupug wrote:

M.O.A.B wrote:

Hurricane2k9 wrote:


All these "what ifs" but no clear-cut real statistical chances

"What if" a viking came into my room right now and raped me with a monitor lizard?
That would be a severe wtf moment.
What were the chances that terrorists would use commercial jet liners as weapons?  We have to prepare for the worst and Nuclear Power is just too dangerous compared to Solar panels and the like which I see a minimal danger in.
We already went over this Mcfly, the walls that contain a nuclear reactor have been tested to withstand direct impact from a commerical airliner:

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Narupug
Fodder Mostly
+150|5891|Vacationland

Hurricane2k9 wrote:

Narupug wrote:

M.O.A.B wrote:


That would be a severe wtf moment.
What were the chances that terrorists would use commercial jet liners as weapons?  We have to prepare for the worst and Nuclear Power is just too dangerous compared to Solar panels and the like which I see a minimal danger in.
We already went over this Mcfly, the walls that contain a nuclear reactor have been tested to withstand direct impact from a commerical airliner:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25vlt7swhCM
Not my point Dumbo, I said you're asking for statistics when statistics don't matter. Things happen, their are people who want us all dead.
Hurricane2k9
Pendulous Sweaty Balls
+1,538|5996|College Park, MD

Narupug wrote:

Hurricane2k9 wrote:

Narupug wrote:

What were the chances that terrorists would use commercial jet liners as weapons?  We have to prepare for the worst and Nuclear Power is just too dangerous compared to Solar panels and the like which I see a minimal danger in.
We already went over this Mcfly, the walls that contain a nuclear reactor have been tested to withstand direct impact from a commerical airliner:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25vlt7swhCM
Not my point Dumbo, I said you're asking for statistics when statistics don't matter. Things happen, their are people who want us all dead.
people like you are how Bush got re-elected and how tyrants gain power... through irrational fear.

"wharrgarbl the terrorists want us dead"
"wharrgarbl the mexicans want to destroy this country"

If terrorists really wanted to, they could find PLENTY of better ways to fuck us over than flying a plane into a nuclear reactor:

-Dirty bombs being set off in dense cities
-Chemical or biological attacks on subways (there is NOTHING stopping someone from doing this. I could bring a fucking shotgun on the DC metro and as long as it was concealed they wouldn't know the wiser)
-Flying planes into other shit that actually have people in them (e.g. skyscrapers)
-Car bombs (get the right materials and boom. It's not like we have robots on every corner that can detect a car in a bomb)

In fact, most of these things have happened (Japan sarin gas attacks, anthrax attacks, 9/11, oklahoma city bombing). But flying a plane into a nuclear power plant hasn't. Now that doesn't mean it will, but frankly there are far easier and more devastating methods of terrorism. Honestly, driving a car into a crowd of people would be more devastating because as many people have stated AD NAUSEUM, it is almost impossible to sabotage a nuclear power plant.

But keep on believing that "they're out to get us"

Also, solar power is nowhere near as efficient as nuclear.

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Hurricane2k9
Pendulous Sweaty Balls
+1,538|5996|College Park, MD

Harmor wrote:

I'm more worried about computer hackers having access to our energy system.  A nuclear reactor now-a-days will melt into the ground before exploding like 3-mile Island or Chernobyl did...so I'm not worried about fallout.
They're not retards, these things aren't connected to the internet
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Narupug
Fodder Mostly
+150|5891|Vacationland

Hurricane2k9 wrote:

Narupug wrote:

Hurricane2k9 wrote:


We already went over this Mcfly, the walls that contain a nuclear reactor have been tested to withstand direct impact from a commerical airliner:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25vlt7swhCM
Not my point Dumbo, I said you're asking for statistics when statistics don't matter. Things happen, their are people who want us all dead.
people like you are how Bush got re-elected and how tyrants gain power... through irrational fear.

"wharrgarbl the terrorists want us dead"
"wharrgarbl the mexicans want to destroy this country"

If terrorists really wanted to, they could find PLENTY of better ways to fuck us over than flying a plane into a nuclear reactor:

-Dirty bombs being set off in dense cities
-Chemical or biological attacks on subways (there is NOTHING stopping someone from doing this. I could bring a fucking shotgun on the DC metro and as long as it was concealed they wouldn't know the wiser)
-Flying planes into other shit that actually have people in them (e.g. skyscrapers)
-Car bombs (get the right materials and boom. It's not like we have robots on every corner that can detect a car in a bomb)

In fact, most of these things have happened (Japan sarin gas attacks, anthrax attacks, 9/11, oklahoma city bombing). But flying a plane into a nuclear power plant hasn't. Now that doesn't mean it will, but frankly there are far easier and more devastating methods of terrorism. Honestly, driving a car into a crowd of people would be more devastating because as many people have stated AD NAUSEUM, it is almost impossible to sabotage a nuclear power plant.

But keep on believing that "they're out to get us"


Also, solar power is nowhere near as efficient as nuclear.
Lol man Lol, I guess it's my fault for sounding so conservative in my arguments.  I think Bush was the worst president we've ever had, or close, and have opposed him since his election. 

My Point is that these things are ok for some power but they cause problems and have by products which are undesirable when used in bulk, e.g. to power a nation. I'm gonna stop arguing cause I don't wanna give anymore wrong impressions.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6699|North Carolina

Narupug wrote:

Hurricane2k9 wrote:

http://www.nature.com/news/2009/090702/full/news.2009.619.html

Cliff notes: Bush administration set up the "Global Nuclear Energy Partnership." One of the provisions was to build a large reprocessing facility. These types of facilities are very common in France. They allow spent fuel rods to be reused if I'm not mistaken. The main issue that people (well, if you consider idiots to be people) have is that it can produce weapons-grade plutonium as a byproduct. Now to me that doesn't really matter... gives us more material for building nukes. But people think that terrorists will steal it or something. Nevermind that has never happened in France...

I like how Obama and his administration and his congress pushed this cap-and-trade thing as being a step forward for a greener America or whatever, and at the same time they're trying to kill off one of the cleanest and safest sources of energy that we can use. So much for 'change' and 'progress.'
Safest? really? Are you overlooking the whole chernobyl thing, what could happen I know the technology has advancd.  Plus what do you do with the Weapons Grade Plutonium? Can't dump it. Making more nukes is just asking to revamp the cold war have someone steal it.
Both Canada and France prove that nuclear energy is viable.  Both of them also prove that more reliance on nuclear energy and less reliance on coal and oil is cleaner for the environment when these reprocessing stations are in place as well.

In France's case, it's also nice not being subject to the whims of Russian gas suppliers.

Overall, nuclear power is but one of the many options of alternative energy we need to explore.

So yeah, this was a big fuckup on Obama's part.

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