Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6895|132 and Bush

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090703/ap_ … n_election
EDITOR'S NOTE: Iranian authorities have barred journalists for international news organizations from reporting on the streets and ordered them to stay in their offices. This report is based on the accounts of witnesses reached in Iran and official statements carried on Iranian media.
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A top Iranian cleric said Friday that some of the detained Iranian staffers of the British Embassy in Tehran will be put on trial, and he accused Britain of a role in instigating widespread protests that erupted over the country's disputed presidential election.

The announcement by Ayatollah Ahmad Jannati alarmed European nations and fueled calls for tougher action against Tehran. Britain is pressing for members of the European Union to pull their ambassadors out of Tehran to protest the arrest of its embassy staffers last week — a step that the EU so far has hesitated to take.

After Jannati's comments, French President Nicolas Sarkozy on Friday expressed backing for Britain, saying "our solidarity with our English friends is total." He said France backs sanctions "so that Iranian leaders will really understand that the path that they have chosen will be a dead end."

The United States and Europe have been wary of reacting too harshly in Iran's post-election crisis, even as the government cracked down heavily on protests that erupted following the declaration of a landslide victory for incumbent Mahmoud Ahmadinejad in the June 12 presidential election. The West has been hoping to keep open prospects for future dialogue with Tehran — particularly over its controversial nuclear program.

Jannati, a powerful hard-liner who is close to Iran's supreme leader, told worshippers during a Friday prayer sermon at Tehran University that the detained staffers "made confessions."

"In these events, their embassy had a presence," he said, referring to the post-election turmoil. "Some people were arrested. Well, inevitably, they will be put on trial."

He did not say how many staffers will be tried or on what charges. Earlier Iranian officials said all but one of the nine embassy personnel originally arrested had been released, but British officials say two are being held.

In London, Foreign Secretary David Miliband said Britain is "deeply concerned" about the staff members.

Britain is "confident that our staff have not engaged in any improper or illegal behavior," Miliband said in a statement, adding that the ministry was seeking urgent clarification from Iranian authorities and that he would speak with Iranian Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki about the issue.

In Sweden, which currently holds the rotating EU presidency, Foreign Minister Carl Bildt said "it's not acceptable to file charges against the ones released or the ones still in custody," though he added that the report had not yet been confirmed.

On Thursday, EU countries demanded the release of the staffers, but held off on any sanctions for the time being. They took an further step Friday, summoning Iranian ambassadors across the 27-nation bloc in a joint protest over the arrests.

Jannati does not hold a position in the government or judiciary, but is the head of the Guardian Council, a powerful body in Iran's ruling clerical hierarchy that stands above the elected government.

The council oversees elections, and it carried out a partial recount which was ordered after Ahmadinejad's pro-reform rival Mir Hossein Mousavi cried fraud and said he was the victor. The recount ultimately upheld Ahmadinejad's election victory. Supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei declared the results would stand, and ruling clerics promptly called the elections "pure" and "healthy."

Iranian authorities have since depicted the widespread protests that erupted after the election as the work of outside enemies of Iran.

Jannati told the thousands of worshippers that the British "had designed a velvet revolution ... In March, they said (in their Foreign Ministry) that street riots were possible during June elections. These are signs ... revealed by themselves."

He also said those involved in protests "need to repent and ask God to forgive them."
I remember some of the European embassies were taking in the injured. Is that what this is all about?
Xbone Stormsurgezz
CC-Marley
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Once again the World will do nothing. Sanctions only hurt the general populace.
Harmor
Error_Name_Not_Found
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Don't worry, our President, the Bystander-in-chief Obama will do nothing.
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6895|132 and Bush

We have no diplomatic relations with them. What can he do?


Not to mention, this is for the British to respond to.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
mikkel
Member
+383|6895

Harmor wrote:

Don't worry, our President, the Bystander-in-chief Obama will do nothing.
I bet Harmor won't do anything about it either.
Harmor
Error_Name_Not_Found
+605|6842|San Diego, CA, USA

mikkel wrote:

Harmor wrote:

Don't worry, our President, the Bystander-in-chief Obama will do nothing.
I bet Harmor won't do anything about it either.
I write my congressman and senators (although the senators never write be back - both are flaming liberials).  I send a message to the president, but I just get back form letters.

I voted in every election since I was 18 and I donate to campaigns/causes that I agree with.  I'm also am exploring what it would take to run for office in my local town, perhaps as a Councilman.

What have you done?

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Poseidon
Fudgepack DeQueef
+3,253|6831|Long Island, New York

Kmarion wrote:

We have no diplomatic relations with them. What can he do?


Not to mention, this is for the British to respond to.
He can't do ANYTHING. There's nothing FOR him to do! God dammit.

First people bitched that Obama kind of stayed low key on the Iranian protests. People bitched. Then he condemned the treatment of protesters and people STILL bitched.

Fucking hilarious.
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|6915|London, England

Harmor wrote:

Don't worry, our President, the Bystander-in-chief Obama will do nothing.
Firstly, they're British embassy staff. Secondly, they're still Iranian citizens, however. So they're not actually British, it's just that the media like to twist it around so it sounds like they've nabbed some Brits.

Thirdly, yes, Obama will do nothing because it doesn't involve the US whatsoever. Infact the US doesn't even have relations with Iran, so they can't even comment on anything that goes on in Iran.

Fourthly, I suppose I'm wrong. Clearly Obama is an idiot and what he should do is invade Iran because that will solve anything, if only Bush or McCain was in power, we would've invaded Iran a long time ago and the world would be super awesome and everyone would be free and living in democracy
mikkel
Member
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Harmor wrote:

mikkel wrote:

Harmor wrote:

Don't worry, our President, the Bystander-in-chief Obama will do nothing.
I bet Harmor won't do anything about it either.
I write my congressman and senators (although the senators never write be back - both are flaming liberials).  I send a message to the president, but I just get back form letters.

I voted in every election since I was 18 and I donate to campaigns/causes that I agree with.  I'm also am exploring what it would take to run for office in my local town, perhaps as a Councilman.

What have you done?
So you haven't actually done anything? Alright. Me neither. It's a British-Iranian conflict, and I'm in support of the British. That's about as far as that goes.
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6895|132 and Bush

Mekstizzle wrote:

So they're not actually British, it's just that the media like to twist it around so it sounds like they've nabbed some Brits.
After fully reading the article I did not get the impression that they were British. This happened at their embassy though, and afaik Iran does not have jurisdiction.... afaik. Make no mistake, they are blaming the British for much of what happened.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|6915|London, England
Some Iranians are living in a deluded sense that Britain is the Britain it was in the early 20th century
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|6875|SE London

Kmarion wrote:

Mekstizzle wrote:

So they're not actually British, it's just that the media like to twist it around so it sounds like they've nabbed some Brits.
After fully reading the article I did not get the impression that they were British. This happened at their embassy though, and afaik Iran does not have jurisdiction.... afaik. Make no mistake, they are blaming the British for much of what happened.
Don't they?

They are Iranian citizens and if the Iranian government decide that they were engaging in treasonous activities I'm sure they're well within their rights to prosecute. Not that I believe the embassy staff were involved in any wrongdoing, but if their government wants to prosecute their own citizens then there's not much anyone outside could do.

I suppose the embassy could grant them asylum or something...
Harmor
Error_Name_Not_Found
+605|6842|San Diego, CA, USA
The Brits have an embassy in Iran?
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|6915|London, England

Harmor wrote:

The Brits have an embassy in Iran?
It's just one fucking stupid post after another with you isn't it, god damn.
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6895|132 and Bush

Bertster7 wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Mekstizzle wrote:

So they're not actually British, it's just that the media like to twist it around so it sounds like they've nabbed some Brits.
After fully reading the article I did not get the impression that they were British. This happened at their embassy though, and afaik Iran does not have jurisdiction.... afaik. Make no mistake, they are blaming the British for much of what happened.
Don't they?

They are Iranian citizens and if the Iranian government decide that they were engaging in treasonous activities I'm sure they're well within their rights to prosecute. Not that I believe the embassy staff were involved in any wrongdoing, but if their government wants to prosecute their own citizens then there's not much anyone outside could do.

I suppose the embassy could grant them asylum or something...
I don't know tbh. I had it in my head that they were arrested at the embassy. I'd like to know what this treasonous activity was. They supposedly confessed. Like I said I remember embassies were taking in the injured after the beat downs. Since the media has been banned from reporting it's hard to tell. .. and yea, I'd be seeking asylum, Quasimodo style.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
M.O.A.B
'Light 'em up!'
+1,220|6517|Escea

Kmarion wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

Kmarion wrote:


After fully reading the article I did not get the impression that they were British. This happened at their embassy though, and afaik Iran does not have jurisdiction.... afaik. Make no mistake, they are blaming the British for much of what happened.
Don't they?

They are Iranian citizens and if the Iranian government decide that they were engaging in treasonous activities I'm sure they're well within their rights to prosecute. Not that I believe the embassy staff were involved in any wrongdoing, but if their government wants to prosecute their own citizens then there's not much anyone outside could do.

I suppose the embassy could grant them asylum or something...
I don't know tbh. I had it in my head that they were arrested at the embassy. I'd like to know what this treasonous activity was. They supposedly confessed. Like I said I remember embassies were taking in the injured after the beat downs. Since the media has been banned from reporting it's hard to tell. .. and yea, I'd be seeking asylum, Quasimodo style.
Its probably more a case of confessing in the sense that they were told or threatened by those holding them to force up a fake confession. I wouldn't put it past those in power right now to do something like that.
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6895|132 and Bush

Maybe they waterboarded them.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|6875|SE London

M.O.A.B wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:


Don't they?

They are Iranian citizens and if the Iranian government decide that they were engaging in treasonous activities I'm sure they're well within their rights to prosecute. Not that I believe the embassy staff were involved in any wrongdoing, but if their government wants to prosecute their own citizens then there's not much anyone outside could do.

I suppose the embassy could grant them asylum or something...
I don't know tbh. I had it in my head that they were arrested at the embassy. I'd like to know what this treasonous activity was. They supposedly confessed. Like I said I remember embassies were taking in the injured after the beat downs. Since the media has been banned from reporting it's hard to tell. .. and yea, I'd be seeking asylum, Quasimodo style.
Its probably more a case of confessing in the sense that they were told or threatened by those holding them to force up a fake confession. I wouldn't put it past those in power right now to do something like that.
I wouldn't be remotely surprised.
M.O.A.B
'Light 'em up!'
+1,220|6517|Escea

Kmarion wrote:

Maybe they waterboarded them.
Waterboard with a nail in it tbh.
13rin
Member
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The Brits should demand the release of the two being held -if not then close the embassy. Call the UN and then Raytheon -buy a few of these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BGM-109_Tomahawk and stick them on the next cruiser going to the Persian Gulf.  Start talking about their Nuclear weapons agenda... .

Last edited by DBBrinson1 (2009-07-03 10:52:29)

I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something.  - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|6875|SE London

DBBrinson1 wrote:

The Brits should demand the release of the two being held -if not then close the embassy. Call the UN and then Raytheon -buy a few of these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BGM-109_Tomahawk and stick them on the next cruiser going to the Persian Gulf.  Start talking about their Nuclear weapons agenda... .
How would that help anything?

What right do the British have to demand their release? It's not like they're British citizens or are claiming asylum.
imortal
Member
+240|6959|Austin, TX

Bertster7 wrote:

DBBrinson1 wrote:

The Brits should demand the release of the two being held -if not then close the embassy. Call the UN and then Raytheon -buy a few of these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BGM-109_Tomahawk and stick them on the next cruiser going to the Persian Gulf.  Start talking about their Nuclear weapons agenda... .
How would that help anything?

What right do the British have to demand their release? It's not like they're British citizens or are claiming asylum.
...but they were working for the British, at their embassy.  Don't you think that gives the UK some sort of responsibility for them?
13rin
Member
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imortal wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

DBBrinson1 wrote:

The Brits should demand the release of the two being held -if not then close the embassy. Call the UN and then Raytheon -buy a few of these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BGM-109_Tomahawk and stick them on the next cruiser going to the Persian Gulf.  Start talking about their Nuclear weapons agenda... .
How would that help anything?

What right do the British have to demand their release? It's not like they're British citizens or are claiming asylum.
...but they were working for the British, at their embassy.  Don't you think that gives the UK some sort of responsibility for them?
At first I thought that the staffers were apprehended inside the Embassy, British soil and that would have been much worse...
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something.  - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|6915|London, England
No it would've been much better for you, you could then start not only talking about BGM-Tomahawks, you could then go on further with your silly product placement of US Weapons and start talking about, I dunno, B2's and JDAMS or some shit.
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|6875|SE London

imortal wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

DBBrinson1 wrote:

The Brits should demand the release of the two being held -if not then close the embassy. Call the UN and then Raytheon -buy a few of these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BGM-109_Tomahawk and stick them on the next cruiser going to the Persian Gulf.  Start talking about their Nuclear weapons agenda... .
How would that help anything?

What right do the British have to demand their release? It's not like they're British citizens or are claiming asylum.
...but they were working for the British, at their embassy.  Don't you think that gives the UK some sort of responsibility for them?
Some sort of responsibility, an employers responsibility. But it's not an employers responsibility to secure their employees release when arrested by the state they reside in, even if it's on obviously bogus charges. There has been some diplomatic pressure put on Iran, but I can't see that putting any further pressure on them would achieve anything.

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