Lotta_Drool
Spit
+350|6180|Ireland
I hope Obama address the food system in conjunction with him addressing healthcare.  I voted for Change damnit.  YES WE CAN!!!!
Varegg
Support fanatic :-)
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Hurricane2k9 wrote:

usmarine wrote:

Hurricane2k9 wrote:


Believe me, after watching it I wanted to jump on the metro with a rifle and head down to Congress

(kidding FBI... sort of)

This film needs to be mandatory watching for all Americans. The sooner people start buying organic, fresh and local the cheaper it will become (up to a certain point). I'm even considering vegetarianism or pescetarianism after watching the film, simply because it's wrong to keep giving money to CAFOs and inhumane killings (yes, humane killings is a bit of an oxymoron).

What's amazing is how the film exposed so many screwed up parts of the government that aren't necessarily directly related to food. For example how the government cracks down on illegal immigrant workers but does NOTHING against the companies (like Shitfield) that employ them. Or how a company can patent a fucking plant.
^^^
Sorry, I also forgot about how these companies can sue people for saying they've stopped eating their products. Freedom of speech my ass.
You gotta be joking!!!
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usmarine
Banned
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nope.
Varegg
Support fanatic :-)
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usmarine wrote:

nope.
That's just
Wait behind the line ..............................................................
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6402|North Carolina
Government needs to apply more rigorous standards on these agricorps and enforce stricter antitrust standards on them as well.
Hurricane2k9
Pendulous Sweaty Balls
+1,538|5699|College Park, MD

Varegg wrote:

usmarine wrote:

nope.
That's just
Yup... supposedly it falls under 'libel'... the big companies claim they lose profits from it. It's fucking stupid. Maybe if they don't want to lose profits they should adapt their products to meet what consumers want.
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Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|6579|SE London

Hurricane2k9 wrote:

Varegg wrote:

usmarine wrote:

nope.
That's just
Yup... supposedly it falls under 'libel'... the big companies claim they lose profits from it. It's fucking stupid. Maybe if they don't want to lose profits they should adapt their products to meet what consumers want.
How is it libelous? It's factual.

Dunno how your libel laws work, but over here you have to say something untrue or unprovable for it to be libel.

Fucking disgraceful anyway.

I don't really see any of this as a government problem, it's to do with companies and consumers. What is needed is raised awareness which leads to changes in spending patterns which forces the companies to offer healthier options. Over in the UK the shift to healthier food has been pretty much entirely media driven and the availability of good food has improved dramatically.

You need:
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BVC
Member
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"no bones in the meat aisle" O_o  Sounds a bit sus to me.

Slightly offtopic, I'm planning to make fettucini with mussels (without shells) and a creamy white wine sauce later in the week.  Can anybody suggest a good wine to go with this?  I'm thinking types of wine here, not vineyards  ie. Sav, Pinot Noir etc
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|6579|SE London

Pubic wrote:

"no bones in the meat aisle" O_o  Sounds a bit sus to me.

Slightly offtopic, I'm planning to make fettucini with mussels (without shells) and a creamy white wine sauce later in the week.  Can anybody suggest a good wine to go with this?  I'm thinking types of wine here, not vineyards  ie. Sav, Pinot Noir etc
A white Burgundy (or any old Chardonay from wherever, but something like a decent Chablis or maybe a Meursault would be good), maybe a Sancerre (which are usually Sav Blanc/Pin Noir mixes) or something else from that neck of the woods....

Dry and white all the way.

Last edited by Bertster7 (2009-06-23 04:42:45)

FatherTed
xD
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Pubic wrote:

"no bones in the meat aisle" O_o  Sounds a bit sus to me.

Slightly offtopic, I'm planning to make fettucini with mussels (without shells) and a creamy white wine sauce later in the week.  Can anybody suggest a good wine to go with this?  I'm thinking types of wine here, not vineyards  ie. Sav, Pinot Noir etc
Chablis
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usmarine
Banned
+2,785|6759

Hurricane2k9 wrote:

Varegg wrote:

usmarine wrote:

nope.
That's just
Yup... supposedly it falls under 'libel'... the big companies claim they lose profits from it. It's fucking stupid. Maybe if they don't want to lose profits they should adapt their products to meet what consumers want.
well i stopped eating red meat like a month ago (still eat chicken and pork) and feel great.  lost like 5 pounds without changing my work out routine or anything.  plus i have been sleeping better.
Hurricane2k9
Pendulous Sweaty Balls
+1,538|5699|College Park, MD
Yeah, I'm tossing around the idea of either dropping red meat or even going as far as becoming a pescetarian (only meat one eats is seafood).
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usmarine
Banned
+2,785|6759

i hate fish
usmarine
Banned
+2,785|6759

Just did my weekly shopping at Whole Foods Market plus I found a nice little farmers market close by.

Hurricane2k9
Pendulous Sweaty Balls
+1,538|5699|College Park, MD
I went to the doctor today

I'm overweight

And apparently my cholesterol is slightly high

You know what I'm done fucking playing. No more Chipotle. No more McDonalds. No more 2AM fucking snacks, no more fucking sweet cereal, no more fucking unhealthy shit. This'll be the first and last time I clock in as overweight and high in cholesterol.
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usmarine
Banned
+2,785|6759

do you go to whole foods?
Hurricane2k9
Pendulous Sweaty Balls
+1,538|5699|College Park, MD
My family usually does. Slightly pricey but worth it.  This is a good bit of info on how to save: http://www.mint.com/blog/finance-core/1 … ral-foods/

I think I'm gonna follow your suit and drop red meat, at least till I get into a good exercise routine and get my weight + cholesterol down. Till then, no more Lucky Charms. Kashi and oatmeal for now.
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usmarine
Banned
+2,785|6759

good luck man
Mr.Dooomed
Find your center.
+752|6325

Turquoise wrote:

Government needs to apply more rigorous standards on these agricorps and enforce stricter antitrust standards on them as well.
If only. As some of you might already have guessed...CEO's and Managers who run those food corporations have worked in Government and vice versa.

Monsanto is a very good example of this. The FDA who is supposed to regulate these foods we eat? Well...The policy makers for the FDA have worked for and with Monsanto. Thats why genetically engineered foods are "Completely Safe" for human consumption says the FDA. 

Justice Clarence Thomas - Supreme Court Justice, Monsanto's Lawyer for Regulatory affairs.

Micky Kantor - Secretary of Commerce, Board of Directors for Monsanto

Lidia Watrud - Environmental Protection Agency, Biotech Researcher for Monsanto

Anne Veneman - Secretary of Agriculture, Board of Directors of Calgene, purchased by Monsanto

The list goes on and on....And don't think Monsanto is the only company like this...


Here is a reassuring video:



This is what all the fuss is about, H.R 875 Food Safety Modernization Act of 2009 in it's entirety:

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtex … l=h111-875

Pay special attention to

* Section 3 which is the definitions portion of the bill-read in it’s entirety.
* section 103, 206 and 207- read in its entirety.


What it Does:

* Legally binds state agriculture departments to enforce federal guidelines effectively taking away the states power to do anything other than being food police for the federal government.
* Effectively criminalizes organic farming, but doesn’t actually use the word 'organic.'
* Affects anyone growing food, even if they are not selling it but consuming it.
* Affects anyone producing meat of any kind including wild game.
* Legislation is so broad based that every aspect of growing or producing food can be made illegal. There are no specifics, which is bizarre considering how long the legislation is.
* Section 103 is almost entirely about the administrative aspect of the legislation. It will allow the appointing of officials from the factory farming corporations and lobbyists and classify them as experts and allow them to determine and interpret the legislation. Who do you think they are going to side with?
* Section 206 defines what will be considered a 'food production facility' and what will be enforced upon all food production facilities. The wording is so broad based that a backyard gardener could be fined and more.
* Section 207 requires that the state’s Agriculture department act as the food police and enforce the federal requirements. This takes away the states power and is in violation of the 10th amendment.
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/HR875and … ar09.shtml
A fun read no doubt...

Some more fun stuff:

Bills Could Reorganize Farming and Criminalize Organic Farming
Written by Megan Prusynski
Published on March 10th, 2009
11 Comments

http://planetsave.com/blog/2009/03/10/b … c-farming/

In two vague bills introduced both in the House and Senate of the US Congress, a vast reorganization of America’s agriculture system aimed at tracking and regulating foods for public safety could endanger organic farms and gardens.

The bills, S.425 and H.R.875, attempt to modernize food safety and regulate and standardize agriculture by creating an agency called the Food Safety Administration, but in the process they could threaten organic farming.

Provisions include mandatory registration and inspection for “any food establishment or foreign food establishment engaged in manufacturing, processing, packing, or holding food for consumption in the United States,” and sets standard practices such as minimums for fertilizer use.

Any food that the agency deems “unsafe, adulterated or misbranded” can be seized and the food establishment or farm fined. It’s not clear how these foods will be deemed unsafe. The bills aim to industrialize farms, standardize farming practices, require registration and inspection for any one producing food, and make practices key to organic farming illegal.

Last edited by Im_Dooomed (2009-06-23 18:20:24)

Nature is a powerful force. Those who seek to subdue nature, never do so permanently.
Cybargs
Moderated
+2,285|6714

Im_Dooomed wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Government needs to apply more rigorous standards on these agricorps and enforce stricter antitrust standards on them as well.
If only. As some of you might already have guessed...CEO's and Managers who run those food corporations have worked in Government and vice versa.

Monsanto is a very good example of this. The FDA who is supposed to regulate these foods we eat? Well...The policy makers for the FDA have worked for and with Monsanto. Thats why genetically engineered foods are "Completely Safe" for human consumption says the FDA. 

Justice Clarence Thomas - Supreme Court Justice, Monsanto's Lawyer for Regulatory affairs.

Micky Kantor - Secretary of Commerce, Board of Directors for Monsanto

Lidia Watrud - Environmental Protection Agency, Biotech Researcher for Monsanto

Anne Veneman - Secretary of Agriculture, Board of Directors of Calgene, purchased by Monsanto

The list goes on and on....And don't think Monsanto is the only company like this...


Here is a reassuring video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thE54K3P … re=related

This is what all the fuss is about, H.R 875 Food Safety Modernization Act of 2009 in it's entirety:

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtex … l=h111-875

Pay special attention to

* Section 3 which is the definitions portion of the bill-read in it’s entirety.
* section 103, 206 and 207- read in its entirety.


What it Does:

* Legally binds state agriculture departments to enforce federal guidelines effectively taking away the states power to do anything other than being food police for the federal government.
* Effectively criminalizes organic farming, but doesn’t actually use the word 'organic.'
* Affects anyone growing food, even if they are not selling it but consuming it.
* Affects anyone producing meat of any kind including wild game.
* Legislation is so broad based that every aspect of growing or producing food can be made illegal. There are no specifics, which is bizarre considering how long the legislation is.
* Section 103 is almost entirely about the administrative aspect of the legislation. It will allow the appointing of officials from the factory farming corporations and lobbyists and classify them as experts and allow them to determine and interpret the legislation. Who do you think they are going to side with?
* Section 206 defines what will be considered a 'food production facility' and what will be enforced upon all food production facilities. The wording is so broad based that a backyard gardener could be fined and more.
* Section 207 requires that the state’s Agriculture department act as the food police and enforce the federal requirements. This takes away the states power and is in violation of the 10th amendment.
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/HR875and … ar09.shtml
A fun read no doubt...

Some more fun stuff:

Bills Could Reorganize Farming and Criminalize Organic Farming
Written by Megan Prusynski
Published on March 10th, 2009
11 Comments

http://planetsave.com/blog/2009/03/10/b … c-farming/

In two vague bills introduced both in the House and Senate of the US Congress, a vast reorganization of America’s agriculture system aimed at tracking and regulating foods for public safety could endanger organic farms and gardens.

The bills, S.425 and H.R.875, attempt to modernize food safety and regulate and standardize agriculture by creating an agency called the Food Safety Administration, but in the process they could threaten organic farming.

Provisions include mandatory registration and inspection for “any food establishment or foreign food establishment engaged in manufacturing, processing, packing, or holding food for consumption in the United States,” and sets standard practices such as minimums for fertilizer use.

Any food that the agency deems “unsafe, adulterated or misbranded” can be seized and the food establishment or farm fined. It’s not clear how these foods will be deemed unsafe. The bills aim to industrialize farms, standardize farming practices, require registration and inspection for any one producing food, and make practices key to organic farming illegal.
Terminator seeds, rBGH, fucking over third world farmers. World is such a great place with good old laizzer-faire isn't it.
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Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6402|North Carolina
Slowly but surely, public sentiment is acknowledging the need for more consumer-oriented regulation.

Ralph Nader has to be just a little happier now than before....
Freke1
I play at night... mostly
+47|6544|the best galaxy
Most of what I eat is crap. Animal fat and sugar. So many things to remember.
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usmarine
Banned
+2,785|6759

http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/06/29/US … index.html

"The initial recall of 41,280 pounds announced last Wednesday was voluntarily expanded Sunday to include an additional 380,000 pounds of products made by the JBS Swift Beef Company, of Greeley, Colorado, the USDA said."

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Keep eating shit people...then blame something else for your problems.
Marlboroman82
Personal philosophy: Clothing optional.
+1,022|6621|Camp XRay

I prefer to have all my food double fried. I don't want to take any chances.


I say bring back the United Fruit Company.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Fruit_Company
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usmarine
Banned
+2,785|6759

Marlboroman82 wrote:

I prefer to have all my food double fried. I don't want to take any chances.
you can double fry food without all the chemical shit ya know...

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