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Mexico: Because you don't have to go all the way to the Middle East to live in a shitty desert country.

Apparently there was a big shootout recently, and that the situation is getting somewhat worse.

It's amazing when you think about it, these people, these cartels. What's their driving force? They're not doing it in the name of religion/ethnic nationalism like the Insurgents in Iraq/Afghanistan or the Chechens, they're not doing it in the name of Politics like you see with many Communist guerrillas in places in South America and elsewhere. Not fighting for anything in which you could see why they would fight and how they could be determined enough to fight.

Just fighting for the sake of money and drugs. Purely. It's amazing how determined they are for their cause which doesn't even seem like much. Then you throw in all the corruption which just makes it easier for them

I dunno, not like I've ever met someone in those cartels or even heard from them. Maybe the story is totally different.

Mexico is so fucked up. Is it at all possible to just send some troops down there to burn all the cartels? I mean it shouldn't be hard for US Special Forces against these want-to-be soldiers.

It's not like they're Spetsnaz! I say throw the politics out the window and burn the places to the ground.

If that's where the drugs are coming from then that's where you need to strike. Don't stop at the boarder, go in and blow some shit up. Screw what Mexico and those other countries may think.

ATG wrote:

dumped in the desert and eaten by birds.

They're Budhist in Mexico?

ATG wrote:

Nearly ten thousand known dead and probably many more dumped in the desert and eaten by birds. The lie about U.S. guns flowing into Mexico disturbs me greatly.

As some one of the board said today;

" No president can be serious about national security with a unsecured border. "

http://projects.latimes.com/mexico-drug-war/#/its-a-war

CC-Marley wrote:

No President is serious about the security of our country until they secure the borders.

me

Lai wrote:

Hurricane2k9 wrote:

The drugrunners are there because there's a market for drugs. Since there's no legal option of getting these drugs, people turn to drug dealers.

I sure hope you are not hinting at legalizing any drugs here, because that is such a bullshit argument. "If you legalize murder people won't commit it (well at least not illegally), letz do it!"

They're two very different things. Also, read up on prohibition, thanks. I know you won't though, so here's a quick summary:

Alcohol is arguably a pretty bad substance. Abuse of it ruins lives and it's easy to get hooked on it if you abuse it. So it was banned with the intent of ridding society of many of its evils. The plan backfired though: people drank anyway. Speakeasies were formed. Organized crime (you could even call them cartels) imported alcohol or brewed its own and provided it to people. Yes, organized crime actually increased because of prohibition. Once it was repealed, that all stopped.

edit: Don't you live in the Netherlands?

Last edited by Hurricane2k9 (2009-06-28 15:41:28)

Hurricane2k9 wrote:

Lai wrote:

Hurricane2k9 wrote:

The drugrunners are there because there's a market for drugs. Since there's no legal option of getting these drugs, people turn to drug dealers.

I sure hope you are not hinting at legalizing any drugs here, because that is such a bullshit argument. "If you legalize murder people won't commit it (well at least not illegally), letz do it!"

They're two very different things. Also, read up on prohibition, thanks. I know you won't though, so here's a quick summary:

Alcohol is arguably a pretty bad substance. Abuse of it ruins lives and it's easy to get hooked on it if you abuse it. So it was banned with the intent of ridding society of many of its evils. The plan backfired though: people drank anyway. Speakeasies were formed. Organized crime (you could even call them cartels) imported alcohol or brewed its own and provided it to people. Yes, organized crime actually increased because of prohibition. Once it was repealed, that all stopped.

edit: Don't you live in the Netherlands?

Yes I do, so I am pretty familiar with a "gedoogbeleid" system. I can also tell you it sucks. People will always search for forbidden fruits, granting them access to one will only have them move up the ladder more eagerly. Secondly it is selfish and undiplomatic. Even if it would work for your country, you are still duping others. What's the point of Germany having a ban while they can get drugs legally a few kilometers away with open borders. This also causes trouble in the country that lifts the ban: Holland has been swarmed by drug tourist, especially casual drug tourists in the East and Southern border regions. More importantly, many raw drug resources are actually acquired from abroad; marihuana from Kazakhstan, heroine from Afghanistan. Because you want to do some "progressive experiment" those countries have to deal with more organized crime and in the case of Afhanistan drug production is used directly to finance Al Qaeida. Finally there is also something called principles and moral values, something the Dutch are in general quite oblivious to, so I guess that explains it.

I read up on prohibition a long time ago at school. Then difference between now and then are that alcohol at the time (and today) was an already accepted substance. Drugs are not, so lets not go down that road. Secondly alcohol only becomes a problem in copious ammounts.