BF2S Forums The Bitter Truth About The Republican Years

Refering back a few posts, California did not have it's first recession in '73.

There had always been land, water and Hollywood scandals that had rocked the ship but the first of my recollections while living there was about '58-61, 62ish. 

Prior to the election of JFK and following the Eisenhower warning of the Military Industrial complex California's complex began desinigrating following the Korean War and in the San Diego area was severly imploding in 1960. 

I remember the days well and not too fondly.  Especially gagging was Beach Boy music and other meaningless love songs sung in rediculously high voices (later to be mimiced by the Gibbs Brothers and newly emerging Afro American songster groups).

On the other hand,  "How gay" was still stuck in the closets (except for Hollywood) and Berkeley was not yet a radical hotbed.

Turquoise wrote:

In general, California would seem to be a great example of what happens when big business cuts corporate taxes while the public demands more standards and benefits (causing rises in personal taxation).

Add to this rampant materialism, pie-in-the-sky liberalism, and religious nutjobs in the inland areas, and well...   that's one hell of a dysfunctional situation.

Don't forget runaway illegal immigration.

Turquoise wrote:

A few side notes here...

Reagan did fuck up quite a few things, but yeah, so did the Democrat Congress.

Clinton fucked up some things too, but a lot of it was helped along by the Republican Congress.

Bush #2 is a more clear cut case where blame can be mostly put on the GOP because, for 6 years, they ran both Houses and had the presidency.

That is if you ignore things like filibusters.. which the dems used as the minority to push through and protect legislation mandating "affordable housing for everyone".

Kmarion wrote:

Of course I see the fallacy of blaming all the current ills on Obama... just like I see the fallacy of blaming it all on Reagan or one party.

Yes we can.. go on and on.

Turquoise wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Of course I see the fallacy of blaming all the current ills on Obama... just like I see the fallacy of blaming it all on Reagan or one party.

Yes we can.. go on and on.

Then we agree.

I said that in the first post. Congress certainly holds most of the blame. Ya know, cause the make the laws concerning regulation and spending? They over rode his vetoes also.
http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1997/09/22/back.time/
http://www.nytimes.com/1987/04/03/us/re … ailed.html

Turquoise wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Then we agree.

I said that in the first post. Congress certainly holds most of the blame. Ya know, cause the make the laws concerning regulation and spending? They over rode his vetoes also.
http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1997/09/22/back.time/
http://www.nytimes.com/1987/04/03/us/re … ailed.html

But we still agree on the folly of blaming either party for our current ills, which is all that really matters.

100% agree.

Pro-corporations! Pro-government! Pro-POWER!  (switch D to R and vice versa, rinse, repeat)

Lincoln wrote:

Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man’s character, give him power.

He was right, but very few recognize the fact that the majority of the people who attain great power sought it...and that is very rarely altruistic!