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OCCUPIED-AL-QUDS: Israel called on the International Atomic Agency on Sunday to use firmer measures to investigate suspected Syrian and Iranian nuclear sites after its latest report suggested the two countries were hindering probes.

The UN nuclear agency on Friday reported its second unexplained find of uranium particles at a Syrian nuclear site. The investigation was sparked by suspicions that a Syrian desert location allegedly hit by Israeli warplanes in 2007 was a plutonium producing reactor built with North Korean assistance.

In a separate report, the agency said Iran continued to expand its uranium enrichment programme despite three sets of UN Security Council sanctions meant to pressure Tehran into halting the project. The agency has made little progress for over a year in its inquiries. The restricted reports, made available to The Associated Press on Friday, essentially confirmed stonewalling by both countries of the two separate IAEA probes.

Iran insists its nuclear activities are peaceful, while Syria denies hiding a nuclear programme. Both countries are bitter enemies of Israel. Israeli Foreign Ministry said the UN report raised questions about Syrian activity and noted its unresponsiveness. “This situation reinforces suspicions that Syria is trying to blur evidence of secret nuclear activity,” the statement said. Israel has been focusing most of its attention on Iran, suspecting that Iran is trying to build nuclear weapons.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has said that Iran and its nuclear project are the most serious danger to Israel’s security. Since taking office March 31, Netanyahu has tried to put Iran at the top of the world’s Mideast agenda instead of the Israel-Palestinian conflict.

Israel considers Iran a strategic threat because of its nuclear programme, development of long-range missiles and repeated references by its president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, to Israel’s destruction.

“What is needed from the international community is immediate and determined action to ensure that Iran will not be able to produce nuclear weapons,” the Israeli Foreign Ministry said, calling on the IAEA to “conduct an investigation free from political considerations and bias, and also to demand that North Korea, which is mentioned in the report, cooperate in the investigation.” Without cooperation by Iran, the IAEA “will not be in a position to provide credible assurance about the absence of undeclared nuclear material and activities in Iran,” the report said.
http://www.thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=181811



How hypocritical can Israel be. Israel has nukes but others shouldn't.
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,817|6406|eXtreme to the maX
Uh shouldn't the IAEA be investigating Israel and confiscating their illegal nukes?
Fuck Israel
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6711|'Murka

Dilbert_X wrote:

Uh shouldn't the IAEA be investigating Israel and confiscating their illegal nukes?
And how would any nukes Israel has be illegal?
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein

Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,817|6406|eXtreme to the maX
They didn't sign the NPT and their nuclear program isn't administered by the IAEA.
That and they are whuppens uh muss duhstruction in the hands of religious fanatics which apparently is enough to warrant invasion.

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2009-06-08 07:04:19)

Fuck Israel
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6711|'Murka

Dilbert_X wrote:

They didn't sign the NPT and their nuclear program isn't administered by the IAEA.
That and they are whuppens uh muss duhstruction in the hands of religious fanatics which apparently is enough to warrant invasion.
So you're saying they're not illegal, as Israel hasn't signed the NNPT?

Thanks for disproving your previous position.

Oh...and nobody ever said Saddam was a religious fanatic. Just a fanatic.

Last edited by FEOS (2009-06-08 07:06:45)

“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein

Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
Braddock
Agitator
+916|6590|Éire

FEOS wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

Uh shouldn't the IAEA be investigating Israel and confiscating their illegal nukes?
And how would any nukes Israel has be illegal?
They didn't sign the NPT and their nuclear program isn't administered by the IAEA.

They're in exactly the same position as Iran... except the world knows Israel definitely has nuclear weapons.
Poseidon
Fudgepack DeQueef
+3,253|6838|Long Island, New York

Braddock wrote:

FEOS wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

Uh shouldn't the IAEA be investigating Israel and confiscating their illegal nukes?
And how would any nukes Israel has be illegal?
They didn't sign the NPT and their nuclear program isn't administered by the IAEA.

They're in exactly the same position as Iran... except the world knows Israel definitely has nuclear weapons.
And yet, nobody is afraid of being nuked by Israel...
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|6882|SE London

Braddock wrote:

FEOS wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

Uh shouldn't the IAEA be investigating Israel and confiscating their illegal nukes?
And how would any nukes Israel has be illegal?
They didn't sign the NPT and their nuclear program isn't administered by the IAEA.

They're in exactly the same position as Iran... except the world knows Israel definitely has nuclear weapons.
How does that make them illegal?

The process they went through to acquire them in the first place was illegal. But it's not illegal for them to have them, since they haven't signed the NPT and so are not bound by it. Iran have signed and are bound by it.

They got them illegally, but kept them legally - if that makes any sense at all. They've also done a lot of illegal stuff in association with their nuclear program - like kidnapping people from other countries.

Poseidon wrote:

And yet, nobody is afraid of being nuked by Israel...
Bullshit. I bet Iran are pretty concerned about the possibility.

Last edited by Bertster7 (2009-06-08 08:32:09)

Braddock
Agitator
+916|6590|Éire

Poseidon wrote:

Braddock wrote:

FEOS wrote:


And how would any nukes Israel has be illegal?
They didn't sign the NPT and their nuclear program isn't administered by the IAEA.

They're in exactly the same position as Iran... except the world knows Israel definitely has nuclear weapons.
And yet, nobody is afraid of being nuked by Israel...
I'm not particularly afraid of being nuked by Iran either... and no amount of scaremongering by the US will likely change that. The idea that Iran would commit state suicide by starting a nuclear war is utterly preposterous. The US don't want Iran to have nukes because it will level the playing field in the Middle Eastern and the US only like playing with a loaded deck.
Braddock
Agitator
+916|6590|Éire

Bertster7 wrote:

Braddock wrote:

FEOS wrote:


And how would any nukes Israel has be illegal?
They didn't sign the NPT and their nuclear program isn't administered by the IAEA.

They're in exactly the same position as Iran... except the world knows Israel definitely has nuclear weapons.
How does that make them illegal?

The process they went through to acquire them in the first place was illegal. But it's not illegal for them to have them, since they haven't signed the NPT and so are not bound by it. Iran have signed and are bound by it.

They got them illegally, but kept them legally - if that makes any sense at all. They've also done a lot of illegal stuff in association with their nuclear program - like kidnapping people from other countries.
The notion of legality and illegality in International affairs is a slippery fish... it all boils down to consensus among your peers. Like you say the process they went through to acquire them in the first place was illegal, so that should override the legality of their current ownership in my opinion.
Poseidon
Fudgepack DeQueef
+3,253|6838|Long Island, New York

Bertster7 wrote:

Braddock wrote:

FEOS wrote:


And how would any nukes Israel has be illegal?
They didn't sign the NPT and their nuclear program isn't administered by the IAEA.

They're in exactly the same position as Iran... except the world knows Israel definitely has nuclear weapons.
How does that make them illegal?

The process they went through to acquire them in the first place was illegal. But it's not illegal for them to have them, since they haven't signed the NPT and so are not bound by it. Iran have signed and are bound by it.

They got them illegally, but kept them legally - if that makes any sense at all. They've also done a lot of illegal stuff in association with their nuclear program - like kidnapping people from other countries.

Poseidon wrote:

And yet, nobody is afraid of being nuked by Israel...
Bullshit. I bet Iran are pretty concerned about the possibility.
I meant Western nations to be specific.

Which do you feel is more of a threat to world security - Iran or Israel? Regardless of anyone's feelings on Zionism and the state of Israel and who the land belongs to, Iran is way more of a threat right now than Israel is.
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|6882|SE London

Braddock wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

Braddock wrote:


They didn't sign the NPT and their nuclear program isn't administered by the IAEA.

They're in exactly the same position as Iran... except the world knows Israel definitely has nuclear weapons.
How does that make them illegal?

The process they went through to acquire them in the first place was illegal. But it's not illegal for them to have them, since they haven't signed the NPT and so are not bound by it. Iran have signed and are bound by it.

They got them illegally, but kept them legally - if that makes any sense at all. They've also done a lot of illegal stuff in association with their nuclear program - like kidnapping people from other countries.
The notion of legality and illegality in International affairs is a slippery fish... it all boils down to consensus among your peers. Like you say the process they went through to acquire them in the first place was illegal, so that should override the legality of their current ownership in my opinion.
Maybe so, but the fact remains that these treaties are only binding if you sign up to them. Lots of countries didn't - India, Pakistan, S.Africa and Israel.
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|6882|SE London

Poseidon wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

Braddock wrote:

They didn't sign the NPT and their nuclear program isn't administered by the IAEA.

They're in exactly the same position as Iran... except the world knows Israel definitely has nuclear weapons.
How does that make them illegal?

The process they went through to acquire them in the first place was illegal. But it's not illegal for them to have them, since they haven't signed the NPT and so are not bound by it. Iran have signed and are bound by it.

They got them illegally, but kept them legally - if that makes any sense at all. They've also done a lot of illegal stuff in association with their nuclear program - like kidnapping people from other countries.

Poseidon wrote:

And yet, nobody is afraid of being nuked by Israel...
Bullshit. I bet Iran are pretty concerned about the possibility.
I meant Western nations to be specific.

Which do you feel is more of a threat to world security - Iran or Israel? Regardless of anyone's feelings on Zionism and the state of Israel and who the land belongs to, Iran is way more of a threat right now than Israel is.
I would say that's complete nonsense.

Neither represent any sort of threat to the West whatsoever.

Last edited by Bertster7 (2009-06-08 08:44:23)

Poseidon
Fudgepack DeQueef
+3,253|6838|Long Island, New York
I would say the heads of the US and UK governments (as well as the rest of the gov'ts of western nations) would disagree with that.
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|6882|SE London

Poseidon wrote:

I would say the heads of the US and UK governments (as well as the rest of the gov'ts of western nations) would disagree with that.
I wouldn't.
AKS-74
Member
+3|6876|Somerset, England.
Of course Israel is going to want there enemies not to have nukes. Its really annoys me when countries assume they have the right to tell other countries what they can and can't have. Let Iran have nukes if they want them.
rammunition
Fully Loaded
+143|6162
look at it with facts.

when was the last time iran attack another nation in aggression?

when was the last time israel attack another nation in aggression?


its not rocket science, i know who i trust more with nukes
Swan
The town bike
+54|5747

rammunition wrote:

look at it with facts.

when was the last time iran attack another nation in aggression?

when was the last time israel attack another nation in aggression?


its not rocket science, i know who i trust more with nukes
I agree.

Also if the Dutch were building nukes there would be none of this rhetoric.


Its also good to see someone with sense finally.

Last edited by JimSwanson (2009-06-08 12:50:59)

M.O.A.B
'Light 'em up!'
+1,220|6523|Escea

rammunition wrote:

look at it with facts.

when was the last time iran attack another nation in aggression?

when was the last time israel attack another nation in aggression?


its not rocket science, i know who i trust more with nukes
Well there was that incident with Iranian personnel dressing up as US troops in Iraq and kidnapping actual US troops.
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6711|'Murka

Bertster7 wrote:

Braddock wrote:

FEOS wrote:


And how would any nukes Israel has be illegal?
They didn't sign the NPT and their nuclear program isn't administered by the IAEA.

They're in exactly the same position as Iran... except the world knows Israel definitely has nuclear weapons.
How does that make them illegal?

The process they went through to acquire them in the first place was illegal. But it's not illegal for them to have them, since they haven't signed the NPT and so are not bound by it. Iran have signed and are bound by it.

They got them illegally, but kept them legally - if that makes any sense at all. They've also done a lot of illegal stuff in association with their nuclear program - like kidnapping people from other countries.
How exactly would the acquisition by Israel be illegal? IIRC, it was the UK that provided Israel with their nuke technology. At that point, it would be an illegal act by the UK, not Israel. The UK was bound by treaty...not Israel.

Bertster7 wrote:

Poseidon wrote:

And yet, nobody is afraid of being nuked by Israel...
Bullshit. I bet Iran are pretty concerned about the possibility.
I don't think Iran is worried about getting nuked by Israel. Israel doesn't need nukes to stop Iran's nuke program...but Iran needs nukes to stop Israel.
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