This. I completely agree. But its because of people like the douchbags here that all they do is jump on the bandwagon for bashing Obama - for actually trying to fix your fuckups - just to be cool. Sadly this happens everywhere. I'm not denying theres been some not so great things that were contrary or were not what he said, but hes sincerely trying to turn our image and America's connotation around as a whole. Face it, there just some things you can't turn around in a day (or 160 something for that matter). It takes time and Obama bashers simply don't get that we have some problems even Jesus couldn't fix that quick.konfusion wrote:
Hmmm... I think no one's really acknowledging how much the USA is already doing to improve its image. I mean, that was in the OP - that Obama is already doing a lot, it's been working. What lowing said is that it's not necessary. I disagree - I think it's necessary, but it's already being done at a decent pace.
-kon
That and the world is steadily realising the 'American lifestyle' is basically paid for by the rest of the world in terms of debt which will never be repaid, huge environmental consequences, instability and wars.LBJ wrote:
The image of the Western (American) lifestyle is great, however to put it very basically. American foreign policy sucks, and it has done for centuries. Interventionism can be great when used appropriately, but to much of the world it would appear that the US is all for intervening as long as it benefits them, and then when something happens that doesn't benefit them they will either ignore it or assassinate the leader and place a unstable, unpopular dictatorship in place.
That actually applies across the board dude. All Western countries have been living pretty large. Just because the massive excesses took place in the USA amongst the very, very well off there doesn't exclude us lot in the Commonwealth/Eurozone from blame.Dilbert_X wrote:
That and the world is steadily realising the 'American lifestyle' is basically paid for by the rest of the world in terms of debt which will never be repaid, huge environmental consequences, instability and wars.LBJ wrote:
The image of the Western (American) lifestyle is great, however to put it very basically. American foreign policy sucks, and it has done for centuries. Interventionism can be great when used appropriately, but to much of the world it would appear that the US is all for intervening as long as it benefits them, and then when something happens that doesn't benefit them they will either ignore it or assassinate the leader and place a unstable, unpopular dictatorship in place.
Partially true.Flecco wrote:
That actually applies across the board dude. All Western countries have been living pretty large. Just because the massive excesses took place in the USA amongst the very, very well off there doesn't exclude us lot in the Commonwealth/Eurozone from blame.
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Yes, but the Western world as a whole is living beyond its means. As I said, the massive excesses took place amongst the well off in the USA, but that doesn't mean the rest of us aren't guilty too.Dilbert_X wrote:
Partially true.Flecco wrote:
That actually applies across the board dude. All Western countries have been living pretty large. Just because the massive excesses took place in the USA amongst the very, very well off there doesn't exclude us lot in the Commonwealth/Eurozone from blame.
Ever been to America?
No other nation even comes close to living it as large as the USA.
I disagree, if you are looking and asking for a handout, and you have the nerve to call the person that is giving it to you an asshole AS he is giving you the handout, YOU are to be considered the asshole. If you hate the US so badly have enought integrity NOT to accept our generousity.CameronPoe wrote:
Since when did image bother people scrounging money. When was the last time a white tramp who happened to be racist refuse change from a black businessman?lowing wrote:
any chance that if our image is so terrible that the world will stop taking our foreign aid? Why do I doubt it.
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and Cam, regardless as to what you think of the US, it has helped and continues to help the world in money and blood of our citizens more than any other country now or in history. We are without a doubt the most generous nation in history even woth all of our faults and blackeyes.
The US does help the world in many ways and there was no way I would ever deny that. But what you have to recognise is that, as with most countries, there is the good, the bad and the ugly. And that currently the US does have an image problem. One that might even be resolved through empty PR exercises. How hard would that be.
fair question and the answer for me is, we SHOULD be held with a higher regard. ESPECIALLY by the Muslims. It was the Kuwaiti Muslims we fought and died to liberate in '91. It was the Afghanistan, and Iraqi Muslims we fight and die for now. Bosnian, Somolian etc... all helped by the US. What exactly do we have to apologize for. The US s the one who should be accepting apologies for the smear campaigns conducted by all the nations accepting now, or have accepted in the past that has freedom now.konfusion wrote:
You know you have an image problem when people all around the world regard Americans as unintelligent and obnoxious. It's easier to fight terrorism politically - ie not giving the image to the Muslim world that you hate their guts, so it's more difficult for radical groups to find material.
This, btw, @lowing, means the US is not getting the credit it deserves, not that the US is doing a lot of things wrong. Granted, there are things that can be improved - and while many things have, the outside look on the USA is the same. How would a US patriot such as yourself not want the rest of the world to hold the USA in higher regard? Your arguments make no sense whatsoever...
-kon
already addressed this point. If you hate us, then stop begging for money from us, at the same time you call us assholes.DesertFox- wrote:
The US does have an image problem regarding Islam, lowing. Thank you for evidencing it in your OP. We can't be the "this group of people is no-good" folks that you'd like us to be and still expect to be taken seriously. There have already been enough jokes about the land of the free denying people freedoms; we need to have the high ground. The current military affairs of this country won't be looked on kindly by history if we do it half-assed.
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It isn't necessary. It's stupid. And it has accomplished nothing. If anything it has emboldened those whom hussine has sought to embrace.xBlackPantherx wrote:
This. I completely agree. But its because of people like the douchbags here that all they do is jump on the bandwagon for bashing Obama - for actually trying to fix your fuckups - just to be cool. Sadly this happens everywhere. I'm not denying theres been some not so great things that were contrary or were not what he said, but hes sincerely trying to turn our image and America's connotation around as a whole. Face it, there just some things you can't turn around in a day (or 160 something for that matter). It takes time and Obama bashers simply don't get that we have some problems even Jesus couldn't fix that quick.konfusion wrote:
Hmmm... I think no one's really acknowledging how much the USA is already doing to improve its image. I mean, that was in the OP - that Obama is already doing a lot, it's been working. What lowing said is that it's not necessary. I disagree - I think it's necessary, but it's already being done at a decent pace.
-kon
Least it isn't this oneAussieReaper wrote:
Just be thankful your image problem hasn't been:
http://i39.tinypic.com/n3al91.jpg
or aboriginies...DBBrinson1 wrote:
Least it isn't this oneAussieReaper wrote:
Just be thankful your image problem hasn't been:
http://i39.tinypic.com/n3al91.jpg
http://weblogs.newsday.com/sports/watch … dundee.jpg
Our aboriginals don't own casinos.usmarine wrote:
or aboriginies...DBBrinson1 wrote:
Least it isn't this oneAussieReaper wrote:
Just be thankful your image problem hasn't been:
http://i39.tinypic.com/n3al91.jpg
http://weblogs.newsday.com/sports/watch … dundee.jpg
http://bbs.chinadaily.com.cn/attachment … o4qhRN.jpg
Maybe they should.AussieReaper wrote:
Our aboriginals don't own casinos.
Not much.usmarine wrote:
sorry to hear that. what do they own?
This from both of you, with no ackknowledgement that if anyone needs to apologise for any image problems it should be Islam. After all it is in its name we endure exploding cars, exploding trains, exploding children, exploding buildings, exploding women, exploding dead bodies, mutilation, child molestation, beheadings, stonings etc....Yet they have a problem with OUR behavior and OUR morality and YOU agree with them.xBlackPantherx wrote:
This. I completely agree. But its because of people like the douchbags here that all they do is jump on the bandwagon for bashing Obama - for actually trying to fix your fuckups - just to be cool. Sadly this happens everywhere. I'm not denying theres been some not so great things that were contrary or were not what he said, but hes sincerely trying to turn our image and America's connotation around as a whole. Face it, there just some things you can't turn around in a day (or 160 something for that matter). It takes time and Obama bashers simply don't get that we have some problems even Jesus couldn't fix that quick.konfusion wrote:
Hmmm... I think no one's really acknowledging how much the USA is already doing to improve its image. I mean, that was in the OP - that Obama is already doing a lot, it's been working. What lowing said is that it's not necessary. I disagree - I think it's necessary, but it's already being done at a decent pace.
-kon
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alreay addressed.Bertster7 wrote:
How is there anything to debate here. The US has an image problem. That is a cold hard fact.
It's image. It doesn't have to be rationalised as everyone seems to be trying to do. The fact that anyone is commenting on the issue at all shows that the image problem is there.
Obama is right to want to do something about it.
konfusion wrote:
Hmmm... I think no one's really acknowledging how much the USA is already doing to improve its image. I mean, that was in the OP - that Obama is already doing a lot, it's been working. What lowing said is that it's not necessary. I disagree - I think it's necessary, but it's already being done at a decent pace.
-kon
CameronPoe wrote:
The main thing to remember is that attempts are being made to rectify this and for that I commend Obama. I also commend him highly for his break from the recent trend of supporting Israel in everything they do, no matter how heinous are counter to US principles. I am tempted to say that he really does represent change but it is far too early to say just yet.
"This from both of you, with no ackknowledgement that if anyone needs to apologise for any image problems it should be Islam. After all it is in its name we endure exploding cars, exploding trains, exploding children, exploding buildings, exploding women, exploding dead bodies, mutilation, child molestation, beheadings, stonings etc....Yet they have a problem with OUR behavior and OUR morality and YOU agree with them.Kmarion wrote:
konfusion wrote:
Hmmm... I think no one's really acknowledging how much the USA is already doing to improve its image. I mean, that was in the OP - that Obama is already doing a lot, it's been working. What lowing said is that it's not necessary. I disagree - I think it's necessary, but it's already being done at a decent pace.
-konCameronPoe wrote:
The main thing to remember is that attempts are being made to rectify this and for that I commend Obama. I also commend him highly for his break from the recent trend of supporting Israel in everything they do, no matter how heinous are counter to US principles. I am tempted to say that he really does represent change but it is far too early to say just yet.
Paul Hogan is an Australian treasure.DBBrinson1 wrote:
Least it isn't this oneAussieReaper wrote:
Just be thankful your image problem hasn't been:
http://i39.tinypic.com/n3al91.jpg
http://weblogs.newsday.com/sports/watch … dundee.jpg
